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Old 06-11-2012, 3:53 PM
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Default GEN 4 GLOCK 20, 29 & 30 Released!!!

Although CA is outside their distribution area, Ed's Public Safety has GEN 4 G20's, 29's & 30's in stock. I know they'll never be on the roster, but does it really even matter anymore? I bought my GEN 4 G17 & 21 from Ed's, so it sucks that I can't keep buying from them. Just thought I'd share the good news, they should make their way to our market soon...






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Hurray! More stuff we can't (officially) have!

Man, those SSE friendly FFL's must be making a boatload of money.
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WOO HOOO!!!! Finally.
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Oh noes, my Gen 3 G29 is obsolete
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Oh noes, my Gen 3 G29 is obsolete
Wait, does that mean both of my GEN 3 G20SF's are too?
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Do you guys think these models will have issues or should we cave on our impulse buys?
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My GEN 4 G21 has been absolutely flawless through a little over 2000rds, and I bought it the day after they were released. My GEN 4 G17 has also been flawless through over 3000rds, and it came with the original 0-2 RSA, 336 Ejector & the "Bad" Extractor. I also have a G30SF that was born during the FTRTB hysteria, and have had zero problems with it through over 2000rds. I'm not worried about having any issues with the GEN 4 10mm's. I have (3) perfect Glocks that the internet says are as good as paperweights.
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Love it. Thanks for the reassurance meathead. I've been holding off on a 29 for this day. I figure the more aggressive grip texture on gen4s would be beneficial when shooting hot loads from a small frame.
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I bought a 20SF just a couple weeks ago... It's okay though, I like the gen3 grip texture better. It doesn't hurt my soft feminine hands as much .
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It's about time! Next up is the G29. VA here I come!
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Good news...!..Thanks for sharing.....

Of course, I will soon have one of each....hahahahah..
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Bump to add that the GEN 4 G30's have also been released!!!
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finally, the glock 20 is out. now i can get a 6 inch barrel and get a carbine adapter for my mech tech CCU upper... when i go to nevada.
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I see a gen 4 g29 in my near future. Too bad I can't get the gssf price on SSE.
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The 30's are already available? COOL! I was just checking up on it the other day and couldn't find any info on them having been released yet. I'm definitely going to go pick one up from one of the Glock retailers around me in the next week or two!
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Just as i was getting pleased with my Glock collection
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My lgs says those guns are illegal to own in kommifornia. They say sse is also illegal and doj is cracking down on the shops doing sse. I see a g4g20 in my future.
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My lgs says those guns are illegal to own in kommifornia. They say sse is also illegal and doj is cracking down on the shops doing sse. I see a g4g20 in my future.
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I bought another Gen 3 to be sure I have 2 of the same 21sf. I dont care for the Gen 4 glocks vs the Gen 3.
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I dont care for the Gen 4 glocks vs the Gen 3.
I see people posting this all the time, and I always wonder if they've ever actually held or shot a GEN 4. Have you shot the GEN 4 G21? I have a G21SF and GEN 4 G21, and tye GEN 4 is by far the best feeling/shooting 45 I have. I'm just curious what exactly you don't like about GEN 4's?
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I see people posting this all the time, and I always wonder if they've ever actually held or shot a GEN 4. Have you shot the GEN 4 G21? I have a G21SF and GEN 4 G21, and tye GEN 4 is by far the best feeling/shooting 45 I have. I'm just curious what exactly you don't like about GEN 4's?
What are the major differences? I dont have either yet, but im deciding if I should pay the extra for SSE on a gen 4.
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The major difference for me is the grip size/texture & mag release. The texture is just right for me, not too rough like the original RTF & not slippery like the GEN 3. The grip also feels slightly smaller than the 20/21SF frame, and just all around feels better in my hands. The larger (not extended) mag release is also a huge plus for me, making it much easier to drop mags. My GEN 4 G21 also shoots softer than my G30SF, which shoots softer than my G21SF.
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Nice! meathead knows Ive been drooling over the thought of a G20 Gen 4.

Now, it looks like I will have to be rather proactive to go about getting one in CA.

I would imagine I just need to call an SSE FFL in San Diego and have them order it for me? Or maybe find an out of state distributor and have them send the gun directly to the SSE?


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If you have the .40SW conversion barrel, are the .40SW mags interchangeable with the 10MM mags, vice versa?

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If you have the .40SW conversion barrel, are the .40SW mags interchangeable with the 10MM mags, vice versa?

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The .40S&W/9x19mm/.357SIG/.45GAP/.380ACP magazines are not compatible with the 10mm/.45ACP magwell and vice-versa.

Stock 10mm Glock magazines seem to load .40S&W, .357SIG & 9x25mm reliably for range use (YMMV).
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Ok good to know.

So I would imagine it's going to be some time until we see Gen 4 Glock 20 magazines hit the market?

I've been reading up on this, and it looks like as long as your Gen 4 Glock isn't modified (reversed mag catch) then there shouldn't be any issues shooting Gen 3 mags with the Gen4?

One last question - is using a Glock 22/35 Magazine the only magazine solution for a Glock 20 w/ a .40 conversion barrel?

thanks again. apologies for all the questions.
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G22/35 mags will not work in a G20 frame. The G20 mags feed .40S&W ammo just fine, so it's not a big deal. All Glock 20 mags, regardless of generation, will function in the GEN 4's without the reversed mag release. If you want to reverse the mag release, you'll need the GEN 4 mags, but I can't imagine them being incredibly difficult to find. If you end up buying one, it will come with 3 GEN 4 cut magazines anyway.
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G22/35 mags will not work in a G20 frame. The G20 mags feed .40S&W ammo just fine, so it's not a big deal. All Glock 20 mags, regardless of generation, will function in the GEN 4's without the reversed mag release. If you want to reverse the mag release, you'll need the GEN 4 mags, but I can't imagine them being incredibly difficult to find. If you end up buying one, it will come with 3 GEN 4 cut magazines anyway.
Nice. Thanks for this.

Now I just need to convince Ed's Public Safety to ship out a Gen. 4 Glock 20 to an FFL dealer out here who will do SSE!
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Unless you can find a middleman FFL within their distribution area, unfortunately buying from Ed's is not gonna happen. You'll most likely have to wait a few weeks for them to hit the western distributors.
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And for reference, here is the e-mail I sent them (this maybe could be used as a template for other dealers across the country?)

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Well, that is your prerogative and I can respect that.

However, for reference - we do 'SSE' transfers out here (Single Shot Exemption). You basically send the CA off-list handgun to an FFL Dealer out here who will do an SSE, and they convert the handgun at the FFL. Here is some intel below:

"The 'single shot exemption' or 'SSE' is an exception to California's Roster of Handguns. Guns in the SSE configuration may be sold in California, regardless of whether they are on the Roster. They must actually be safely functional, and must be capable of firing only one shot before reloading.

Once delivered to the buyer, the original parts may be re-installed and original functionality will be restored."

Thus, the owner/buyer of the off-list handgun obtains the firearm legally.

Not all FFL dealers will do a SSE transfer yet, but many do. There are a couple here in San Diego that will do it this way, and it is completely legal.

Here are some links if you are further interested:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=383692

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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=441766

Like I said, if you still do not feel comfortable sending the gun to my FFL out here who will do the SSE transfer, I completely understand.

But just know that it is completely legal, many distributors have been doing this for some time.

And I would be willing to make a purchase with you guys if you are wanting to move forward with this.
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And here is the response I got back from Ed's after I briefed them on SSE transfers:

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Wow! That's some interesting stuff!

First, the bad news: I'm still stuck, since Glock is now restricting sales of new guns to the distributor's territory; which for us is Georgia, Alabama and North and South Carolina. In the old days we were shipping new Glocks all over the country, but I can no longer do that.

The good news is that I've done business with several of the dealers in California that will transfer SSE handguns, so I may be willing to do that with something other than new Glocks. Just to check my understanding, do the guns have to be SSE elegible when they reach the California dealer, or can the dealer have a restricted handgun that they will convert for legal transfer to the end purchaser?
They seem like good guys
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Crap. I bought a Gen 3 G20SF a few weeks ago for an Alaskan fishing trip coming up. I figured the Gen 4's wouldn't be available until AFTER my trip. I guessed wrong.
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Glock makes Gen4 magazines for all Glock models, except for the Glock 36.
They started doing this a year ago.

Glock placed the region restictions on LE distributors about a half a year ago.

Which sucks, since Ed's gets all the first runs and special order overruns.
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I see people posting this all the time, and I always wonder if they've ever actually held or shot a GEN 4. Have you shot the GEN 4 G21? I have a G21SF and GEN 4 G21, and tye GEN 4 is by far the best feeling/shooting 45 I have. I'm just curious what exactly you don't like about GEN 4's?
You would have a better assessment then I would because I have never held a Gen 4. There simply changes that I dont care for and I love my Gen 3 21sf so much I bought another dedicated to CCW.

The thinner dust cover makes the frame rails more shallow in the polymer is a big put of for me. I suppose I love what I have so much I dont see a need to tweak it. It seems many are having quality and reliability issues with Gen 4 glocks but again I cant speak first hand on that and realize many of these people are likely idiots that shoot 1000 rounds a year max. I use my 21sf weekly in USPSA and burn through 800 rounds a month so if I had a gen 4 I would know right away how it performs.

In the end I guess I dont care either way that its not legal here in Cali because there are no short comings with my Gen 3.
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I'm waiting for is a Gen 4 Glock 17L

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You would have a better assessment then I would because I have never held a Gen 4. There simply changes that I dont care for and I love my Gen 3 21sf so much I bought another dedicated to CCW.

The thinner dust cover makes the frame rails more shallow in the polymer is a big put of for me. I suppose I love what I have so much I dont see a need to tweak it. It seems many are having quality and reliability issues with Gen 4 glocks but again I cant speak first hand on that and realize many of these people are likely idiots that shoot 1000 rounds a year max. I use my 21sf weekly in USPSA and burn through 800 rounds a month so if I had a gen 4 I would know right away how it performs.

In the end I guess I dont care either way that its not legal here in Cali because there are no short comings with my Gen 3.

I can respect that. I agree that there's nothing wrong with the GEN 3's, but the GEN 4 definitely feels and shoots better for me. I shot 300rds on my first range trip, and have now shot over 2000rds through it with no problems. About the dist cover, it is definitely thinner than the GEN 3 G21, but I don't think it's any thinner comparatively than the GEN 3 subcompacts (26,27,33,39). Guys have fired tens of thousands of rounds through those with no issues, and LEO's and LTC'ers trust their lives to them everyday. If you get a chance to shoot one, I bet you'd like it.
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From my personal experience, the Gen 4's really have a negligible difference in felt recoil (though there IS a differnce), the biggest deal for me is that they're more slim and thereby fit my hand better (apart from the SF models which are the same grip size). I'm more inclined to buy a Gen 4 over the 3 since at SOME point, the 3 will be phased out while Glock continues production on the 4. Probably won't be for a while but it WILL happen eventually. For me the price of the two is the same, about $425......My thought process is given the above, why not get the newest specimen?

That being said, there's really nothing wrong with the 3's.....they've been serving a LOT of people very well for a long time and will continue to do so. The 4's are pretty sweet but if I HAD 3's I wouldn't go selling them to pick up a 4.....just isn't a big enough reason to do so.
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Gen 3 wont go any where. In cali that is all they can sell here so Glock would then be making the decision to loose all that business. Perhaps they may decide to do this but I read a statistic some where and dont recall exactly but Cali gun sales is very large for them.
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