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Old 05-30-2012, 10:26 AM
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Of the two front runners, Dumanis and DiMaio..Neither. One is the current DA and the other is very liberal in most of his views.

My personal opinion about Dumanis is that she should be slapped daily for what she did to Cynthia Sommer, the innocent wife of a Marine who died. She knew the forensic evidence against her was tainted and hid that fact. When the courts overturned her conviction after she had been imprisoned for over 2 years, Dumanis said "Justice has been served." Really? What about this young woman's ruined life?
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Glad this post was made, was wondering the same question myself.

Any word on who to vote for in Oceanside?
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i have a question TACTICAL, would you vote for a candidate based solely on their standing as a pro 2A candidate or would any of their other views factor into your decision to vote for them?

What if there was a perfectly logical candidate, who just happened to also be anti-gun, if thats actually possible lol, meaning what if this person has some really sound ideas for shoring up the economic mess, balancing a budget, getting people to work, helping small business stay afloat, keeping your taxes down, straightening out the schools, BUT, wasn't willing to work at getting your 2A rights restored because he/she was basically anti-gun anyway??? How would you vote?? How would any of you vote?? Is it all coming down to who will give you your guns now??

Or we could swing the pendulum the other way, what if there was a candidate who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat when it comes getting things done, he'd put your city in an economic freefall, run up a huge deficit, cause loss of jobs and business BUT he'd fight like hell to get you your gun rights restored, which way do you go???

It would be nice to have the best of both worlds, but where would your loyalty lie when faced with that kind of decision? Don't misunderstand me, I fully understand 2A rights is no small issue, your constitutional right is at stake, but, with all the other issues this state, this country, is faced with, which would you be willing to sacrifice, for now, which road would you choose??
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From what I've read in the UT, I don't believe any of them are pro 2nd. Amendment. Jerry Saunders was as about as close as we're going to get due to his LE background.
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, would you vote for a candidate based solely on their standing as a pro 2A candidate or would any of their other views factor into your decision to vote for them?:
I think the 2a is about the BEST barometer available for a measure of conservative stance. So, if everything boiled down to just one view to help me place where a politician lies, the 2a would be it.

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i have a question TACTICAL, would you vote for a candidate based solely on their standing as a pro 2A candidate or would any of their other views factor into your decision to vote for them?

What if there was a perfectly logical candidate, who just happened to also be anti-gun, if thats actually possible lol, meaning what if this person has some really sound ideas for shoring up the economic mess, balancing a budget, getting people to work, helping small business stay afloat, keeping your taxes down, straightening out the schools, BUT, wasn't willing to work at getting your 2A rights restored because he/she was basically anti-gun anyway??? How would you vote?? How would any of you vote?? Is it all coming down to who will give you your guns now??

Or we could swing the pendulum the other way, what if there was a candidate who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat when it comes getting things done, he'd put your city in an economic freefall, run up a huge deficit, cause loss of jobs and business BUT he'd fight like hell to get you your gun rights restored, which way do you go???

It would be nice to have the best of both worlds, but where would your loyalty lie when faced with that kind of decision? Don't misunderstand me, I fully understand 2A rights is no small issue, your constitutional right is at stake, but, with all the other issues this state, this country, is faced with, which would you be willing to sacrifice, for now, which road would you choose??
Easy. The pro-gun guy. This is Kalifornistan...some a-hole is always going to come along to drive the deficit up and the economy off the cliff. Get the gun rights now, and then, once they are solidly reestablished, vote for the fiscally sound anti who will have bigger fish to fry and a steep hill to climb to pull rights away.

If only it were as simple as you posit.... Instead we get anti-rights douches who grab guns, run up deficits and drive the economy off a cliff. Single issue is the only way to go for me.
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Short term it might hurt, but most *****hole politicians' wrongsdoings can be reversed.

However, anti-gun measures are a lot harder to reverse in California than most other wrongdoings.

Once you've lost your 2A rights, they are a lot harder to regain.

Just something to think about.
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From what I've read in the UT, I don't believe any of them are pro 2nd. Amendment. Jerry Saunders was as about as close as we're going to get due to his LE background.
Close? I guess it's relative...

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns..../members.shtml

About a year ago I e-mailed the Di Maio campaign asking about his position/opinion on MAIG. I'm still waiting for a reply..
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Falconlair,
2A always. Without 2A it's only a matter of time before we lose the right to vote. It is human nature to attempt to dominate others unless doing so involves negative conequences.
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Yea you got to look beyond 2A really ....

Look at Senator Harry Reid ..... he is pro gun .... highly rated as pro gun by the NRA but completely off the cliff for everything else.

In his case Nevada is very pro gun state so anyone running for office planning to win has to be pro 2A (even though he really isn't if you look at some of the comments he makes between rambling sentences).

So you really have to look at the politicians whole history ... not just what they are saying atm to get votes.

FYI DiMaio is the Republican canidate and he is slightly right of center ..... not alot but definately far from liberal as stated above. There has been no comment on his feelings towards the 2A ..... but he might make his feelings known shortly
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Yea you got to look beyond 2A really ....

Look at Senator Harry Reid ..... he is pro gun ....
In his case Nevada is very pro gun state so anyone running for office planning to win has to be pro 2A (even though he really isn't
So he has to lie to get in by faking pro 2a status.
And Nevada is still a pro 2a state.

I think in a situation like that, everything will work itself out in due time- in a pro 2a fashion.

Now, if we had multiple pro 2a choices in San Diego, by all means more criteria should be examined. There needs to be a first step, and the 2a is it. Without it, in my opinion, the candidate is liberal, no matter what the party he/she is aligned with.
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What powers does a Mayor wield in this regard that we need to be aware of?
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State of California law states that the CLEO of the city or the Sheriff of the county that a applicant for a CCW resides in "may" issue a CCW to that applicant after jumping through some hoops.

Currently all of the cities in San Diego county have signed a agreement to turn over all duties and responsibilities for CCW applicants over to the San Diego County Sheriff.

A mayor of a city can order the Chief of Police to no longer do that and start processing CCW applications for the residence of the city. The Mayor could also appoint a Chief of Police that was also pro gun who would accept "self defense" as a good cause.

In the past the San Diego Mayor would appoint a Chief of Police and then the Chief of Police would be confirmed or not confirmed by a council vote.

That has now changed with the strong mayor changes that have taken place recently. The Chief of Police is now appointed by the Mayor with no council input at all, this was confirmed by the Mayor's office after making a phone call to them today.

SO yea having a pro gun Mayor could make a difference here in San Diego for at least CCW.


P.S> just heard back from the assistant campaign manager for the Carl DiMaio campaign, he is very Pro 2A and pro CCW.

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Yes Falconair I am Very Pro Second Amendment and I probable would base most of my decision on who to vote for on this issue ***
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It seems that Nathaniel Fletcher has voted no on several bills that would tighten gun laws.

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I always look beyond 2A when voting..but most people are 1 issue voters as smart as that sounds. I look at it like this..if California had the guns laws of say Arizona but everything else in the state is exactly the same would I be happy? Hell no. The entire state I live in is going off a cliff but hey at least i don't have to use a bullet button. Makes no sense
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I contacted all the candidates by email earlier in the week and sent them this message:

I am reviewing my sample ballot and I have one simple question for you if you donít mind please.



Say the Sheriff decides to loosen the restrictions for issuance of CCW permits so that any citizen with a clean background and who has passed the training can obtain one.



Do you consider that a good or bad thing? And why?




I received a reply from Carl DeMaio within ~45 minutes. The only other reply was from Nathan Fletcher 2 days later (today).

Carl DeMaio said:



Thank you for your email regarding CCW. As you may be aware, this issue is not one that I will have jurisdiction over as Mayor. However, I am personally in support of measures that increase and uphold the second amendment rights of U.S. citizens.

Please do not hesitate to contact me again. I appreciate your support.


- Carl

We went back/forth just a little bit and I was a little shocked how responsive he is. Seems up and up.

Nathan Fletcher responded to me earlier today and said:

I fully support the Second Amendment but I think this is something I think the Sheriff should be able to decide.
-Nathan


He did not comment about his vote for banning open carry (and I did not ask him at the time, but I have followed-up to ask).

With all this information considered, right now Carl has my vote and I encourage everyone else to support him. If the above post is true about a Mayor ordering the PD chief to issue, then the only candidate I can see doing that right now is Carl DeMaio. He seems to be the only one demonstrating leadership - whether you agree with him or not. And that is what we need right now more than anything - leadership. Not someone who changes direction with the wind.

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I contacted all the candidates by email earlier in the week and sent them this message:

I am reviewing my sample ballot and I have one simple question for you if you don’t mind please.

Say the Sheriff decides to loosen the restrictions for issuance of CCW permits so that any citizen with a clean background and who has passed the training can obtain one.

Do you consider that a good or bad thing? And why?

I received a reply from Carl DeMaio within ~45 minutes. The only other reply was from Nathan Fletcher 2 days later (today).

Carl DeMaio said:

Thank you for your email regarding CCW. As you may be aware, this issue is not one that I will have jurisdiction over as Mayor. However, I am personally in support of measures that increase and uphold the second amendment rights of U.S. citizens.

Please do not hesitate to contact me again. I appreciate your support.

- Carl

We went back/forth just a little bit and I was a little shocked how responsive he is. Seems up and up..
Why don't you post up his e-mail address?
Seems he could be educated a bit - he could and SHOULD be very involved with LTC's. A declaration by him to the sheriff to become "shall issue" under the "strong mayor" set up we have would really be all it would take(IMO).

Sounds like he's simply pandering for a vote and could really care less - pass the buck kind of answer.
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Both of those guys are very non-committal and pawn it off on someone else.
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I just went to their campaign web sites and clicked the contact link.

I am not a lawyer or an election expert by any means, but I believe the Sheriff's jurisdiction covers all the cities in the county, not just the city of san diego. and so I don't believe the mayor of any one city can order the sheriff to do anything.

Police chief maybe but again I really have no idea.

I personally have no issues with the sheriff's dept. but still the whole constitutional issue is one I care deeply about. It all boils down to "when you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" and that is not a world I would like to be in.

In any case, I believe I tend to have a good feel for people and have learned to trust that instinct over the years. Based on what I see, Carl is who I'm voting for unless some more information comes up between now and election day.
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... I believe the Sheriff's jurisdiction covers all the cities in the county, not just the city of san diego. and so I don't believe the mayor of any one city can order the sheriff to do anything.

Police chief maybe but again I really have no idea.

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Nor am I a lawyer.
I believe that all the cities of the county have agreed (some sort of article "g" agreement) to direct all LTC requests to a single sheriff, SDSO.

I really don't think all the LTC stuff has anything to do with laws and everything to do with politics. Therefore the head politicians (new mayor and the sheriff) could certainly implement pretty much, overnight, "shall issue" IMO.

So, yeah - I think Carl is wimping out big time.
I have serious doubts he is pro gun or pro 2a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_DeMaio
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I don't have a dog in this fight since I live in the county and not the city but.........

Our sheriff doesn't want "shall issue", it makes no difference what the S.D. mayor wants or says. Our sheriff doesn't answer to the mayor. So you can forget that as any leverage.!
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SO yea having a pro gun Mayor could make a difference here in San Diego for at least CCW.

P.S> just heard back from the assistant campaign manager for the Carl DiMaio campaign, he is very Pro 2A and pro CCW.
I have asked Carl to provide evidence of his pro 2a/LTC claim. So far, no reply.
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Guys the Mayor of ANY city in California does not need permission from the county sheriff to order a appointed Chief of Police to process and issue CCW's to the residents of that city. The only reason the San Diego Sheriff processes all the CCW applications is all the cities in San Diego signed a agreement to turn over all responsibilities to the San Diego County Sheriff. It is a non binding document and any city can claim their right to process CCW applications for thier residents at any time.

PC 12050:

(a)(1)(A)The sheriff of a county, upon proof that the person applying is of good moral character, that good cause exists for the issuance, and that the person applying satisfies any one of the conditions specified in subparagraph (D) and has completed a course of training as described in subparagraph (E), may issue to that person a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in either one of the following formats:

(i)A license to carry concealed a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.

(ii)Where the population of the county is less than 200,000 persons according to the most recent federal decennial census, a license to carry loaded and exposed in that county a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.

(B)The chief or other head of a municipal police department of any city or city and county, upon proof that the person applying is of good moral character, that good cause exists for the issuance, and that the person applying is a resident of that city and has completed a course of training as described in subparagraph (E), may issue to that person a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in either one of the following formats:
(i)A license to carry concealed a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.

(ii)Where the population of the county in which the city is located is less than 200,000 persons according to the most recent federal decennial census, a license to carry loaded and exposed in that county a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.

(C)The sheriff of a county or the chief or other head of a municipal police department of any city or city and county, upon proof that the person applying is of good moral character, that good cause exists for the issuance, and that the person applying is a person who has been deputized or appointed as a peace officer pursuant to subdivision (a) or (b) of Section 830.6 by that sheriff or that chief of police or other head of a municipal police department, may issue to that person a license to carry concealed a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person. Direct or indirect fees for the issuance of a license pursuant to this subparagraph may be waived. The fact that an applicant for a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person has been deputized or appointed as a peace officer pursuant to subdivision (a) or (b) of Section 830.6 shall be considered only for the purpose of issuing a license pursuant to this subparagraph, and shall not be considered for the purpose of issuing a license pursuant to subparagraph (A) or (B).


Did not include that whole PC 12050 but Carl DiMaio response is mistaken as is Nathen Fletcher's on how much power the San Diego mayor has in the issuance of CCWs for city residents.
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.....Carl DiMaio response is mistakena sidestepping of an issue as is Nathen Fletcher's on how much power the San Diego mayor has in the issuance of CCWs for city residents.
Yup.
What does all this mean at this point? Probably nothing.
We have 2 bad choices.........vote for the lesser evil-


....or we could do our best to really turn the screws with a more favorable candidate to MAKE it more of a central issue by all San Diego voters/gun owners. :beer::beer:
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It would be interesting if someone in the audience can ask the question at the debate.

I think it's in a few hours so I don't expect any candidate to reply tonight.
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CMG has it right. We all would like to see issuance of CCW in all counties of California. Won't happen in SD no matter who the mayor is until compelled by the courts. Current sd sheriff won't budge either. Listening to latest group of candidates shows little promise on this and other major issues. Comment about current mayor Sanders being pro 2A because he is former police chief is laughable. Some of the most anti 2A politicians are leo prepped. They crave control but are against citizens being able to arm themselves. Good luck.
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I maintain my permanent residence in Sacramento County even though I work/live in San Diego County, for the sole reason that hell will freeze over before the liberal politicians and sheriff in this county will support 2A and start issuing CCW's. And I absolutely think that sucks ballsacular. I'd love to move here on a permanent basis, but that will never happen unless the CGF can put the whoop on the Sheriff here like they did in Sacto. Other than LEO, I feel like I'm the only cat carrying concealed down here.
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Current sd sheriff won't budge either. .
I happen to think you are wrong.
I don't claim to *know* him, but I've met him a couple of times. My impression is that he could easily get swayed if it didn't cost him politically - ie, ordered by the mayor.
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I respect your opinion NoJoke. We probably want a lot of the same things. I really believe that the sheriff won't budge until court ordered and I wouldn't think the SD city mayor's word would be worth much to SD county sheriff.
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Of the two front runners, Dumanis and DiMaio..Neither. One is the current DA and the other is very liberal in most of his views.
The front runner is Nathan Fletcher, a Republican turned independent for the purpose of running for mayor. He is pro 2A but he's never expressed an opinion unprompted since he's too savvy to step in it.

Dumanis is leading the pack from the pack. She is a clear anti 2nd candidate. As a reminder, she filed a brief against in the Heller case in the name of public safety. She is a career "public servant" that will carry out actions that serve her self interest. She is now making waves in the Nunez case for political gains. Regardless - she doesn't stand a chance. Worst of all - she is in the pocket of the Unions.

DeMaio is a Republican and is the best candidate San Diego can have. He is a non-sense manager that provides real solutions to the real problems San Diego has. Best of all, he isn't on the public employee union take like all the other candidates. That's why the unions are out to destroy him. He doesn't have a 2A stand because it's irrelevant as a mayor. I'd give DeMaio my vote in a heartbeat.

2A considerations in mayoral races are irrelevant especially since 2A related laws occur at the State level. In voting for mayor, I only consider candidates that can bring fiscal prosperity to the city - nothing else.
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CMG has it right. We all would like to see issuance of CCW in all counties of California. Won't happen in SD no matter who the mayor is until compelled by the courts.
The Mayor has ZERO power in CCW policy. The SD County Sheriff is the supreme law enforcement body in the county and is only accountable to State law. The SD Sheriff is a well managed Oligarchy that won't change the way they do business unless the State beats them over the head.
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I happen to think you are wrong.
I don't claim to *know* him, but I've met him a couple of times. My impression is that he could easily get swayed if it didn't cost him politically - ie, ordered by the mayor.
Bull ***. The SD Sheriff office claims that they issue over 99% of the CCW requests. What they don't tell you is that unless they AGREE that you have good cause, they won't let you apply. That's how they tell everyone they are big supporters of 2A.

When I called and asked for an appointment to apply for a CCW, I was hit with a barrage of questions as to my good cause. Every answer I provided wasn't good enough. When I insisted I want an interview regardless, the lady on the other side lowered her voice and whispered: "I will set you up with an appointment but I want to make it clear to you that your request will be denied .... pause .... that's how it works around here."
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Ten News poll....

31% Carl DeMaio
11% Bonnie Dumanis
28% Bob Filner
23% Nathan Fletcher
3% Other
4% Undecided
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Seems like you guys are single issue voters.
If I could vote, I'd vote for Carl. He's got a great pension reform thing going one. Yeah he's gay but he's more conservative that any of the others. Woody would have been a great choice but he's only a write in, and hardly anyone knows about him....
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Yeah he's gay but he's more conservative that any of the others. ....
I had to chuckle to myself - what an age we're in now.

I could care LESS if he's gay - but I hope if he truly claims to be conservative - he is a true conservative and sees the LTC issue through.

The chuckle to myself thing is that the most conservative choice we have is a gay man - the time's they's a changing!

He'll get my vote if he can promise me he'll push Gore and go shall-issue.

If for no other reason, then maybe some of his gay friends could LTC themselves for self protection :idea: :idea:

It's a right we ALL need to have. :lightbulb:
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If for no other reason, then maybe some of his gay friends could LTC themselves for self protection :idea: :idea:

It's a right we ALL need to have. :lightbulb:
Civil right!!!
Hey I like where you're going with that, we could all claim that we're gay and need to carry for protection!
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From what I've read in the UT, I don't believe any of them are pro 2nd. Amendment. Jerry Saunders was as about as close as we're going to get due to his LE background.
Jerry Sanders is Anti gun and a member of mayors against illegal guns. He and his protege chief he left behind Lansdowne are anti gun.
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For what it's worth the San Diego cops I have talked with hate DiMaio with a passion.
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