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Old 05-15-2012, 5:07 PM
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Need pics of actual product, as is or completed.
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Old 05-15-2012, 5:35 PM
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just assuming that its like most "80%" 1911's and it just flat milled with no seat atall and will need to be cut like this ....




ETA this link may help understand what needs to be done http://mcpeepantz1911.blogspot.com/2...ka-part-3.html
ahh yes, that's our own tdaughg's build blog
(note that it's a KT1911 he's working on, not one of the Are's 80% frames)
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I am interested in 1 pending details
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ahh yes, that's our own tdaughg's build blog
(note that it's a KT1911 he's working on, not one of the Are's 80% frames)
hehe didnt know that was one of our members just found the blog while looking for the old old old build log from someone doing a "v10" build


and i took it for granted folks knew it wasnt this particular frame, but a 1911 top end is a 1911 top end and just was for a general idea of the work needed ...
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Can you say private label...

I'm one or two, pending prototype pics...
I'm not quite sure how to take your comment.

If you are suggesting that the Fusion is a licensed copy, maybe but right around the time that the STI patent was issued, the duration of patents changed so it either expired last year or will expire in June or July this year. I'm not sure which is correct but if the patent hasn't expired already, it will very soon.
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Old 05-15-2012, 8:45 PM
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Can these be chambered in .400 Cor-Bon?
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hehe didnt know that was one of our members just found the blog while looking for the old old old build log from someone doing a "v10" build

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guilty as charged! thats the first kto frame i did. now i got 6 more to do so im stocked up and going to pass on this gb. now if they did this as a direct sti clone id be all over.

i see a lot of people asking what material the ares frame is going to be made out of and its most likely aluminum. they claim on the site that a router is one of the tools you can use to finish it. routing aluminum is no problem with very light cuts but steel is usually a no go on a router. if i missed the post stating what the frame material will be, please let me know.

PachecoFTW: the frame for all the different calibers of 1911(except 22lr maybe) are all the same. the slide,barrel, and possibly the frame ramp(can be cut if needed) are the parts that determine the caliber.

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I'm interested in 1 frames.
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I'm interested ... put me down for 1 frame.

Anyone in the LA / Orange County area who is buying the jig interested in 'renting' theirs out for a nominal fee?.....or would Ares provide a jig if they host a build party at their location?
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I'd still like to see an actual picture of this completed. The only thing stopping me from adding more frames are I'm not sure how I feel about the grip until I see it. Is it possible to get the dimensions for the 80% ? I'd like to know if the Sti grips would fit. And I remember another thread that the Patent was excited already on the Sti frame since some one mentioned it
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just assuming that its like most "80%" 1911's and it just flat milled with no seat atall and will need to be cut like this ....


ETA this link may help understand what needs to be done http://mcpeepantz1911.blogspot.com/2...ka-part-3.html
Great pictures and link! Thank you. This help better understand what needs to be done. However, I can't imagine doing this with "minimal tools" mentioned... without a mill.
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Up and about in the Eastern part of the country. Give me a little while to catch up with about 30 pending PM's plus the messages on this page. Good news, though: I did see a list of the ARES High End kit, which...includes a Caspian slide.
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Put me down for one 80% frame. Thanks
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:25 PM
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...Anyone in the LA / Orange County area who is buying the jig interested in 'renting' theirs out for a nominal fee?.....or would Ares provide a jig if they host a build party at their location?
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I don't have access to a mill and concerned about creating some real PAPERWEIGHTS if I try to finish this with a router table, etc.

HOWEVER, If a build party is planned in the Orange County area that would help confirm my decision... I was considering buying a jig, but would be willing to share and/or chip in for a build party with mill time.
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Yes, I'm in for a 1911 build party in OC or LA. Total noob for 1911 80% here.
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I talked to a guy from ares yesterday and they will be hosting build party's. When the time comes for the 1911s
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:52 PM
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Yes, I'm in for a 1911 build party in OC or LA. Total noob for 1911 80% here.
Good! I'm not alone... Total 80% 1911 noob too. Was getting ready to put a 1911 in jail and deciding on which one, but have always wanted to do an 80% project.

I've built an AR from parts and thought it was a fun project. This looks like it could be a bit more challenging... I like that!
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I'm still waiting to see pics instead of a cad drawing. #vaporware
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I talked to a guy from ares yesterday and they will be hosting build party's. When the time comes for the 1911s
I've never done an 80% build before, so pardon the ignorance. But is the jig necessary if you're planning on going to a build party? I'm assuming the jig is to make the machining easier and that it's reusable, so as long as someone at the build party has a jig then it can be used for multiple people?
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Might be interested pending pictures of product.

Also, can these be used for a 9mm build?

If these is a kit availible with a Caspian slide, I will be very interested!
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Arrrrrg, this sounds simpler than the frames I got from the other group buy.

Does anyone have a step by step guide yet, or no since these seem brand new and there may not actually be any out there yet. Also does anyone have concerns with the polymer grip to frame attachment? Ie, its not something that will wear out or get loose is it?
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im in for 1 pending confirmation of

1) there is a build party planned in OC with access to a jig.

2) no markings on the frame
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I'd love to pay, but not a chance without seeing SOMETHING from this company, like a real picture.

I'd really recommend others have a little patience as well, I don't want anyone losing out here.
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I'd love to pay, but not a chance without seeing SOMETHING from this company, like a real picture.

I'd really recommend others have a little patience as well, I don't want anyone losing out here.
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We know a lot of people are waiting on actual pics of the prototype and they are coming very soon. Only reason we haven't put any up yet is we are working with the machinist and finishing up the jig and double, triple, quadruple checking tolerances both before and after the jig is coated to make sure when we start shipping that everything is perfect. I'm sure that some are getting impatient with what seems might be a lack attention to providing what we need to give everyone, but we are just ensuring that everything is 100%
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I'd love to pay, but not a chance without seeing SOMETHING from this company, like a real picture.

I'd really recommend others have a little patience as well, I don't want anyone losing out here.
i got a message from them about the pics , they are comming final machine work is being done on tolerances for the jig and frame... and guess they where showing if off at the build party 6th of this month so i dont think its "vaporware"

i am fairly sure the folks down there running the GB wont hand over 12 grands with out seeing something tangible,but i am also kinda disappointed in the company not coming here and filling in all the detail (whats is made out of , concept pics of grip rather the CAD, ect)when they can see how much interest its getting here ...

anywho i am not worried about taking a chance on the companies rep over 125 bucks when i see the old sarco decorator frames going in our marketplace for 300 (i paided 30 bucks from sarco for the one i gave to a fellow builder) 125 is nothing these days for pre-order parts ...


LOL see what happens when i start typing and putting the kids to bed at the same time? ...lol

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Been watching this one for a minute. I'm interested in a couple paperweights and a jig pending pics...I'll pester mrlonewolf into it too.
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We know a lot of people are waiting on actual pics of the prototype and they are coming very soon. Only reason we haven't put any up yet is we are working with the machinist and finishing up the jig and double, triple, quadruple checking tolerances both before and after the jig is coated to make sure when we start shipping that everything is perfect. I'm sure that some are getting impatient with what seems might be a lack attention to providing what we need to give everyone, but we are just ensuring that everything is 100%
Aw, come on... You HARDLY need to get everything 100% and quadruple-check tolerances in order to post a few PICTURES...
I mean yes by all means get all that squared away before you sell a single unit or jig... But at this point folks are just asking to see something more than a rendering.

As one who has already committed to this buy, I think you owe us some info and pictures. We're not going to be able to tell anything about the tolerances from them, we just want to see that the product exists. So just take 'em and post 'em already.
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Been watching this one for a minute. I'm interested in a couple paperweights and a jig pending pics...I'll pester mrlonewolf into it too.

LOL.

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Guys, an update:

Ares Armor will be offering their HIGH END assembled kits at a discount. They also owe us a listing of components for their regular pistol build.

Please check this list for sanity and missing components - can someone also place part numbers on these from Wilson Combat for me after a 1911 knowledgeable, competent armorer reviews the parts list?

Question - how many would be interested in the Wilson Combat only parts, versus garden variety Government supplier components?



Can someone check the list below for sanity from Ares?

Wilson Combat parts for Rudius

barrel 45 ACP, Full-Size, 5”, Stainless
barrel bushing Barrel Bushing, Government, Blue Bullet Proof®
barrel link Barrel Link Bullet Proof®
barrel link pin Barrel Link Pin, Blue Bullet Proof®
disconnector Disconnector Bullet Proof®
ejector Extended Ejector, .45 ACP, Full-Size, Blue Bullet Proof®
ejector pin Ejector Pin, Blue Bullet Proof®
extractor Extractor, 70 Series, .45 ACP, Bullet Proof®, Blue
firing pin Firing Pin, .45 ACP, Bullet Proof®
firing pin stop Firing Pin Stop, 70 Series, Bullet Proof®, Stainless
sights Combat Pyramid Sight Set, Full-Size 1911, White Outline Tritium
grip safety Beavertail Grip Safety, High Ride, Blue
hammer Hammer, Ultralight Skeletonized, Bullet Proof®, Blue
hammer pin Hammer Pin, Blue Bullet Proof®
hammer strut Hammer Strut, Blue Bullet Proof®
hammer strut pin Hammer Strut Pin, Blue Bullet Proof®
magazine catch Magazine Release, Blue Bullet Proof®
magazine catch lock Magazine Catch Lock, Blue Bullet Proof®
mainspring cap Mainspring Cap, Blue
mainspring cap pin Mainspring Cap Retainer Pin, Blue Bullet Proof®
mainspring housing Mainspring Housing, Flat, Full-Size, Aluminum
mainspring housing pin Mainspring Housing Cap Pin, Blue
mainspring housing pin retainer Mainspring Housing Pin, Blue
plunger tube Plunger Tube, Blue Bullet Proof®
recoil spring guide Recoil Spring Guide, Solid, Bullet Proof®, Parkerized Bullet Proof®
recoil spring plug Recoil Spring Plug, Flat Cap, Bullet Proof®, Stainless
safety lock Thumb Safety, Tactical Lever, Blue Bullet Proof®
safety lock plunger Safety Lock Plunger, Blue Bullet Proof®
sear Sear Bullet Proof®
sear/disconnector pin Sear Pin, Blue
slide stop Extended Slide Release, Blue Bullet Proof®
slide stop plunger Slide Stop Plunger, Blue Bullet Proof®
trigger Trigger, Competition Match, Long Pad

Caspian Parts For Rudius

Slide Carbon Steel Government 5" with front and rear cocking serrations
Front and rear Novak sight cuts

Complete spring kits are coming from Wolff Gunsprings. Both the guys at Wilson Combat and Caspian advise using these since they use them for a large portion of their custom builds


Thanks for the help.

We are also taking a list of volunteers who will come visit to help package, label and help ship these frames out when we get closer to the date. We will be shipping 80% frames, Caspian slides, and perhaps more.

Thank you all for joining us on this group buy!
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Actually... I only have one more question before committing... What metal is going to be used to make these frames? Stainless? Low carbon steel? Aluminum?

I'm not sure what kind of metal frame machines well with a "router table"... so I'm a little concerned.
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Since this is all new to me... And I'm considering 2 frames (9mm & .45)

Obviously, I understand there is a parts list difference, slide, barrel, extractor, etc.

However, Can someone share what the differences in frame prep there would be for a .45 compared to a 9mm? Are things like barrel seat and slide rail cuts impacted?

Are there specific instructions available for a potential build party crew?
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Since this is all new to me... And I'm considering 2 frames (9mm & .45)

Obviously, I understand there is a parts list difference, slide, barrel, extractor, etc.

However, Can someone share what the differences in frame prep there would be for a .45 compared to a 9mm? Are things like barrel seat and slide rail cuts impacted?

Are there specific instructions available for a potential build party crew?
This is what I'm waiting for answers on...
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I'd love to be part of the group buy, but why do 100 frames cost us $125 each while 1 frame is $99.95 from the website? We pay more for a group buy?

http://www.aresarmor.com/install/eco...AA-1911-F.html
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Personmans: It's not 99.95 - it's $250, or currently $99.95 plus another 99 on pickup - so right around $200. Our price is 50 percent discounted from retail, and $75 off from their prepurchase.

The frames are made from CARBON STEEL. There may be Stainless at some other point in time. The prototypes are currently at the machinist, and will be checked by a number of 1911 extremely well known gunsmiths for tolerances as castings soon...some of whom I've spoken to myself....still working on this with Dimitri and Jeremy.
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I'd love to be part of the group buy, but why do 100 frames cost us $125 each while 1 frame is $99.95 from the website? We pay more for a group buy?

http://www.aresarmor.com/install/eco...AA-1911-F.html
$99 is the down payment for the pre-order. Another $99 at time of delivery.
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