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Old 05-10-2012, 10:27 PM
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I'm planning on buying an "M4" carbine as a graduation present to myself after I complete basic training and AIT. I've been thinking of getting the Colt SP6920, but the more research I do the less sure I am. I've been reading good things about Rock River Arms, Palmetto State Armory, Stag, and Bushmaster. Would it really be worth the extra money for the Colt or am I just as well off with one of the other brands? I want something that will be as close as possible to what I'll be using in the Army. This rifle will be mainly for home defense and tactical training, I plan on it receiving some hard use.
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I want something that will be as close as possible to what I'll be using in the Army.
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Just buy the Colt then.
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They're not really that expensive. 6920 is one of the best all around values on the market today.

Remington can't use the information in the TDP to produce commercial products so commercial remingtons aren't (and won't be in the future) made to the same standard as the few they've been selected to supply to the military.
Colt has the TDP and can use it as they please.

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In the army you'll be using 30 rounders and detachable magazines, so pretty much any AR you purchase in Cali will require adjustments to training. Any decent brand like you mentioned won't be that functionally different from each other, but you WILL get the "It's Colt/Noveske/DD" or nuthin'!" crowd.
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You could get a rifle with a lifetime warranty, better customer service support, and an accuracy guarantee for less than you'd spend on a colt. Spend your money how you like, but with such a saturated AR market, other vendors offer much more for the money.
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Old 05-10-2012, 11:18 PM
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You can't go wrong with a colt, it is mil spec just like the one you will get in the army besides its not full auto, 30 round and the stupid California bullet button
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I would consider Windham Weaponry a better option. Made by the longtime Bushmaster staff in Maine. Lifetime warranty and a commitment to excellence.

Cheaper than the Colt as well

http://www.windhamweaponry.com/
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Buy the colt. dont think just buy
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The Colts are a steal at their current price range. They'll probably have better long term resale value.
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More like...Is LWRC worth it? Nope. Out shot my buddy with one...I would get a Colt or DD.
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Any model that's milspec should be close the mil issued rifle
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Mil Spec is great if you plan on shooting thousands of rounds through it. Also, Colt has great name recognition so resale would be easier but not necessarily bring in much more money. I chose to purchase a non-mil spec Stag Arms AR and I'm very happy with the purchase. Not a single problem so far. Reference Nutnfancy's youtube review of the Rock River AR and hear what he has to say. His videos are filled with good information about the topic.
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I'm planning on buying an "M4" carbine as a graduation present to myself after I complete basic training and AIT. I've been thinking of getting the Colt SP6920, but the more research I do the less sure I am. I've been reading good things about Rock River Arms, Palmetto State Armory, Stag, and Bushmaster. Would it really be worth the extra money for the Colt or am I just as well off with one of the other brands? I want something that will be as close as possible to what I'll be using in the Army. This rifle will be mainly for home defense and tactical training, I plan on it receiving some hard use.
Really? Where have you been reading?
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id save my money and get a bcm. unless you want to sell later to some schmuck off the street that plays call of duty and only knows colt.
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Colt has the name; the lunatic fringe on the gun forums might know about DD or Novesky, but not the general population. Everything except Colt are no-name guns to the rest of the world. Now that Colt has the manufacturing capacity to build for the civilian market, expect to see a lot more from them.
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Any model that's milspec should be close the mil issued rifle
I doubt the "mil-spec" Del-tons I see in the for sale forum are anything close to a Colt or a real issued rifle
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OP, how about a Heckler & Koch (HK) "No Compromises" but cost a lot.... more then Colt.
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A Colt is the Rolex Daytona of rifles.... value may very well appreciate down the firing line, just like a SS Rolex Daytona ... get the Colt, a no brainer imo ...




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I feel like my Casio tells time just as well as a Rolex. We are talking about tools aren't we?

I think you can get more for your dollar with BCM or DD or build, but also, you can't go wrong with a Colt.
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$299.95 for a 5.56mm chambered 1 in 7 twist 20” Upper-Chrome Moly Vanadium—Chrome-lined bore (not chamber), no BCG or Charging handle: http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...ng-handle.html

$299.95 for a 5.56mm chambered 1 in 7 twist 16” Upper- Chrome Moly Vanadium—Chrome-lined bore (not chamber), no BCG or Charging handle: http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...ng-handle.html

These are “Special Prices” released today. These uppers are about $120.00 less than their normally priced uppers which feature “double thick” chrome lined barrels/bores/chambers made out of “machine gun” metal. E.G. http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...-a2-upper.html Bravo Company charges around $420.00 for their 20” upper with no BCG and Charging Handle.

According to email sent to someone on this thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/5...pper_Sale.html Palmetto State Armory stated that the special and free shipping should last until next Monday.
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My family and I have four of these rifles. A Colt LEO from the mid '90s, an Armalite, a Spikes, and a RR lower with original Bushy(Quality Parts) lower parts and a Bushy upper. They all fire flawlessly but the Colt cost almost double what the others were. I would certainly take a close look at Windham Weaponry for a new one. They seem to be of the highest quality and a reasonable price. Good luck!
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i like what rock river amrs has to offer for their price range and quality.
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i like what rock river amrs has to offer for their price range and quality.
So you are a fan of paying more for less?
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Build your own man, you can even go the %80 route.
That way you know what's in it and not to be corny but you'll feel like a part of that rifle.
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I shoot a Bushmaster XM15 and 2 of my buddies have Colts. As far as recreational shooting goes I can't tell the difference. I would have bought a Colt and I guess in a way I wish I had one but couldn't find one before the ban. So I guess for coolness Colt wins in my mind. For my quality of shooting(plinking) I can't tell the difference.

I can tell when not shooting quality ammo in mine. Never shot anything but good brass in the Colts so can't comment there. But over all we got all the guns at the same time in the late 90's and no real problems with any of them. So IMO it doesn't really matter for a plinker/non comp fun gun if you keep um clean.
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Yes--- especially IF you ever want to sell it. It wont have a lower with
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Here is the list of why would buy https://spreadsheets.google.com/spre...=2&output=html
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GM4: so you buy a gun for a particular logo that's etched on the receiver? Strange, but to each his own.
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What is up with all the low-post count shills for Windham?

As for the OP, Colt is fine if you want the "My Little Pony" stamp on the side of your gun. And they other poster is right, they are the Rolex of the AR world. But here is a news flash. Rolex watches keep crappy time. They are jewlery first, time pieces second. Same with Colts. They are name recognition first. That doesn't make them any better than many of the other AR manufacturers out there.

If you are looking for something close to the M4s that you will be using, decide on your price range, look at what different companies are selling for that price, and go with the one that gets you the most bang for your buck. I somehow doubt that it will be Colt though. They are just a bit too proud of their products and name to sell things at a comparable price to places like BCM. Or DD. Or many of the other companies out there that offer a mil-spec M-forgery. If you are planning on using it hard, you want to get the best that you can for your money. Not waste money on something like name recognition, which will only likely matter if and when you decide to sell it.

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Colts use large pin (.170") trigger groups, everyone else on the planet uses small pin (.155") trigger groups
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A long time ago, sure. Now a days, they use the same as everyone else does.
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I'm planning on buying an "M4" carbine as a graduation present to myself after I complete basic training and AIT. I've been thinking of getting the Colt SP6920, but the more research I do the less sure I am.
Colt is one of the founding fathers of the M16/AR-15 family, they have a long history with this rifle. They are G-T-G.

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I've been reading good things about Rock River Arms, Palmetto State Armory, Stag, and Bushmaster.
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Would it really be worth the extra money for the Colt or am I just as well off with one of the other brands?
I've seen Colt firearms since I was a kid, everyone of them (that i've seen), has been built right. The name seems to go with quality, Colt 1911, Colt AR-15, Colt Python, Colt Ace, etc.

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I want something that will be as close as possible to what I'll be using in the Army. This rifle will be mainly for home defense and tactical training, I plan on it receiving some hard use.
Colt, DD, BCM, are very popular models, with the last 2 you have the option of a mid-length operating system. As you know there are a lot of choices, but Colt is one of the better brands.

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The Colts are a steal at their current price range. They'll probably have better long term resale value.
this is the best advise, here in cali you will not have anything similar to what you will use in the military. Also, think of your housemates and neighbors when you think of a rifle for home defense, not to say its not practical, but there are better options IMO
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So you are a fan of paying more for less?
if you think the $1,000 range is expensive for an AR style rifle, then i suppose so
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if you think the $1,000 range is expensive for an AR style rifle, then i suppose so
My BCM middy was $970 and the 6920 can be had for right around $1050.
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I don't have a super low post count and I will shill for Windham. It was my first AR, it is a great value for the money, quality build and above average fit and finish. I also like that people are making them that really seem to care about their customers, they are super responsive and customer focused.

That said, if I cared about resale or ever planned on selling my AR, I would buy a Colt. Regardless of how well they are built, they have the best and highest brand recognition and resale. I think BMWs are junk, (I've owned two, both were lemons) but I cannot deny that they have better resale than most other brands. Not that Colts are junk, they seem to be pretty good, although I do see complaints about fit and finish.

So if you buy to sell, buy Colt. If you want to spend less and get a great gun, Windham, PSA or even the S&W MP15.
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