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Old 05-02-2012, 3:52 PM
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Default NM reciprocity changed again

http://www.dps.nm.org/index.php/nm-c...ty-agreements/

they now accept: Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and West Virginia.
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hmmmmmm .. .. .. no CA. Using DiFi logic, that must mean that CA permits are so easy to get that felons, nuts, and drug dealers can get them.
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Old 05-02-2012, 5:28 PM
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Old 05-02-2012, 6:13 PM
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hmmmmmm .. .. .. no CA. Using DiFi logic, that must mean that CA permits are so easy to get that felons, nuts, and drug dealers can get them.
Actually, I believe it is mainly due to the fact that CA doesn't have a state-issued permit.
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Old 05-02-2012, 8:46 PM
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Actually, I believe it is mainly due to the fact that CA doesn't have a state-issued permit.
It's a state license with a minimum of 58 different issuing licensing officers.
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Old 05-02-2012, 8:55 PM
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Question Hmmmm....

I just received my Florida LTC. They specifically stated in a memo included in the packet that as of March 26, 2012 that New Mexico did not have a reciprocity agreement with them.

So...I guess they do now!
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Old 05-03-2012, 5:20 AM
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http://www.dps.nm.org/index.php/nm-c...ty-agreements/

they now accept: Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and West Virginia.
Yep. You can once again drive the entire length of I-10 from Jacksonville to the California border legally armed with a Florida CWFL.

BTW what position do you play? Go 'Canes!
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It's a state license with a minimum of 58 different issuing licensing officers.

I don't know if you are arguing a different point or not, but your statement seems to support what I said.

There is no "state-issued" permit. It is issued by the counties.

Whether you or I win the point is immaterial anyway. It is what NM said on their web page a week or so ago, which is what counts.
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Judging by this, the list may well change again, and again, and again.


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First, it is important to note that the Department of Public Safety has not made final decisions to change reciprocity agreements or recognition of other states, but rather DPS is conducting an audit of those statutes to ensure compliance with New Mexico state law

And it possibly could get messy. i.e., if you got your permit via this training course, and/or before this date, you're OK, otherwise, No.

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For those states that have had reciprocity agreements with New Mexico, but do not now have a similar law to ours, NM DPS will contact those states to clarify which permit holders from that state are not allowed to carry a concealed weapon in New Mexico. This will not affect the vast majority of permit holders in states with current reciprocity agreements.
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Old 05-03-2012, 7:26 PM
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Actually, I believe it is mainly due to the fact that CA doesn't have a state-issued permit.
I always wondered if a few votes towards Shall Issue in the state legislature couldn't be swayed by the money issue. Why does the state leave the (lack of) money at the county level? Why not make a state permit, charge $150 (other states charge about $100, and like most things I'd expect CA would try to charge as much as possible, at least until they lost the "you can't charge us to exercise a civil right" lawsuit), and help close the budget gap?

The counties probably see the paperwork as a burden anyway (though I am sure many sheriffs like the power) and not as a moneymaker but the state could make money. Run it through the DMV offices, just another form to fill out. Go in, give your fingerprints and your safety course certificate (exactly like the DMV does for motorcycle safety courses, you turn in the certificate and you don't need to take a riding test) just like the other states require. Without knowing exactly how many they could issue, I would think if they made a permit state issued by the DMV, and had zero reciprocity, and allowed out of state permits, that we could suggest the state would eventually pick up a couple million permits. $300 million or $450 million or maybe more. That's no chump change for our broke state. And they could do it without adding a level of bureaucracy so most of that cash would go right to the bottom line.

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I always wondered if a few votes towards Shall Issue in the state legislature couldn't be swayed by the money issue. Why does the state leave the (lack of) money at the county level? Why not make a state permit, charge $150 (other states charge about $100, and like most things I'd expect CA would try to charge as much as possible, at least until they lost the "you can't charge us to exercise a civil right" lawsuit), and help close the budget gap?

The counties probably see the paperwork as a burden anyway (though I am sure many sheriffs like the power) and not as a moneymaker but the state could make money. Run it through the DMV offices, just another form to fill out. Go in, give your fingerprints and your safety course certificate (exactly like the DMV does for motorcycle safety courses, you turn in the certificate and you don't need to take a riding test) just like the other states require. Without knowing exactly how many they could issue, I would think if they made a permit state issued by the DMV, and had zero reciprocity, and allowed out of state permits, that we could suggest the state would eventually pick up a couple million permits. $300 million or $450 million or maybe more. That's no chump change for our broke state. And they could do it without adding a level of bureaucracy so most of that cash would go right to the bottom line.
What you cite would certainly be better than we have now. with the current political climate, and our current legislature, we are unlikely to get even close to this.

Keep in mind as well that Kamela Harris (former SF DA, I believe) is Attorney General, and she supports the notion that people aren't smart enough to take care of themselves, and gov't must make sure we are safe, by keeping those pesky guns under lock and key.

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I don't know if you are arguing a different point or not, but your statement seems to support what I said.

There is no "state-issued" permit. It is issued by the counties.
Um, sort of. That's a little bit like saying there is no state-issued driver license, they all come from local DMV offices.

The LTC is created by state law, and the requirements for the license are written in state law, but the authority to issue is given to county sheriffs and police chiefs. Unlike driver licenses, the actual license documents do come from the issuing authority rather than Sacramento.
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Um, sort of. That's a little bit like saying there is no state-issued driver license, they all come from local DMV offices.

The LTC is created by state law, and the requirements for the license are written in state law, but the authority to issue is given to county sheriffs and police chiefs. Unlike driver licenses, the actual license documents do come from the issuing authority rather than Sacramento.
NM's issue with CA is prolly the lack of a uniform issuing standard amongst all issuing authorities in CA. So they dont have an objective criteria to look at to determine whether it meets their standard or not.
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NM's issue with CA is prolly the lack of a uniform issuing standard amongst all issuing authorities in CA. So they dont have an objective criteria to look at to determine whether it meets their standard or not.
I don't know about New Mexico, but I do know what Florida's issue is with California. Florida would recognize California LTCs the very second California recognizes Florida CWFLs.
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New Mexico statute 29-19-12E requires that in order for a state to be recognized by NM, their provisions have to be “at least as stringent or substantially similar” to New Mexico. NMDPS has generally found six things that make a state substantially different from New Mexico, and therefore would disqualify that state from being recognized:

Permits issued locally rather than by the state;
No fingerprint-based background check;
Permits issued to persons under 21 years of age;
Permits issued to resident aliens;
No classroom (static) training required;
No live-fire (dynamic) training required.

Of course, in the wacky world of gubmint, a California LTC qualifies one for a Arizona LTC which gets you the right to carry in NM. Go figure.

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I don't know about New Mexico, but I do know what Florida's issue is with California. Florida would recognize California LTCs the very second California recognizes Florida CWFLs.
A state can choose to recognize any state's permit w/o a reciprocity agreement. There are states that do so already. Some states just choose NOT to recognize a permit from a state that will not do the same for them in return.
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A state can choose to recognize any state's permit w/o a reciprocity agreement. There are states that do so already. Some states just choose NOT to recognize a permit from a state that will not do the same for them in return.
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Permits issued to resident aliens;
That's funny, and about to change, I guess
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The info did not say if NM recognizes AZ and FL permits if they are non resident permits....did they?
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The info did not say if NM recognizes AZ and FL permits if they are non resident permits....did they?
It just said as of now AZ and FL are good without specifying resident/non res. Maybe it's one of the things they are reviewing, who knows?
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The info did not say if NM recognizes AZ and FL permits if they are non resident permits....did they?
I couldn't find it either. But, the list of NM conditions seemed to track with FL so I'm hopeful it will be OK.
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As of May 8 New Mexico recognizes Florida CCW

See: http://www.dps.nm.org/index.php/nm-c...ty-agreements/

And see: http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/new...led_carry.html
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A state can choose to recognize any state's permit w/o a reciprocity agreement. There are states that do so already. Some states just choose NOT to recognize a permit from a state that will not do the same for them in return.
I like Arizona's reciprocity statement. It basically says AZ accepts all permits from anywhere anytime anyway. And if you don't have a permit that's ok too.
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