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Old 03-26-2012, 4:49 PM
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Any thoughts or opinions on which one? I know the win mag is more economical to shoot...looking for reasons or opinions on why you prefer one over the other.

Getting cold feet with my 338 Lapua and the cost of factory ammo..so I'm gonna get another bolt gun. I won't get into reloading for a while..so its factory ammo for now.

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The Win Mag will handle anything target wise out to 1,000 yards easily, anything after that your 338 will take care of. The RUM isn't going to be much chealer than your 338 and it won't do what your 338 will.

If I was going to get another rifle below the 338, I would go with the 308 Win. It will handle 1,000 yards with the right barrel and bullets.

For hunting unless elk sized animals are your regular game, the 308 will work.
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You didn't say what your primary use for the rifle will be. If it's shooting game at long ranges, the 300 ultra magnum out performs the 300 Winchester magnum. Barrel life is shorter with the 300 ultra magnum.

If you're using the rifle as a long range precision target rifle, the 300 Winchester magnum would be better due to the amount of match grade ammo available.

There's not too much match grade ammo for the ultra magnum.

Since you are not reloading, I'd go with the 300 Winchester for a target rifle.

If you're hunting only, the 300 ultra magnum ballistics are hard to beat.

I read a lot about rifle owners who thought they bought a rifle chambered for 338 Lapua magnum only to discover it's chambered for $5.00 bills.

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Imo,the 300 RUM is one of those pointless cartridges. Born in the" hurry up and make the most powerfull round" times. My opinion is pretty biased though.300 winmag,308 are my favorite.
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Imo,the 300 RUM is one of those pointless cartridges. Born in the" hurry up and make the most powerfull round" times...

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Bay Area Gun Vault in Mountain View has a new Remington 700 Police that was in 300 RUM. It is now in 300 Win Mag, with a 26" Obermeyer 5R, 11 twist, stainless barrel, Badger knob, and completely finished in matte gray GunKote. I think it will be an awesome shooter.
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If its for punching paper, maybe look into the 6mm rounds?
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The .300 Win Mag will fill the range inside your .338 Lapua pretty well. There is plenty of high quality match ammo for it but it will be expensive. Not as much as .338 LM. Reloading will always be a good way to go. Not only will it be cheaper for better quality ammo but you can load bullets that may not be available in loaded ammo. Plus you can tune it for your rifle. If you load for stuff like .300 WM and .338 LM it will pay for itself pretty quickly.
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I looked at the 338 and the 300WM and I picked up a BLaser in 300WM. I love the gun and the cartridge, and now that I am reloading, the cost went down to about $0.60 from about over a dollar.

Many Marines/snipers are using the 300WM for its long range and relatively inexpensive cost compare to larger calibers.

For sure consider the 300WM as a first choice.
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Spend the money you would spend on another bolt gun on reloading. If you are not reloading I doubt you are in a position to see much difference in performance between .338 .308 .300WM or .300RUM.
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The 30-06 is really dead huh?
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I think the 30-06 is a "classic caliber" that will never die. But, there are many great calibers today that one can choose from for specific applications.
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The 300RUM is one of the flattest shooting factory rounds for shooting out to 500 yards in a caliber that is suitable for more than small game. For a hunter who wants to be prepared for farily long shots and feels they need magnum power to put down game, it does have a purpose. In the field it is hard to judge distance and wind. Range finders don't always work and most people don't carry around a wind meter. With an impressive 24-28" of drop at 500 yards with a 200 yard zero, a very simple hold over or smart zero range makes 500 yards hits in the field on game very doable in theory. For someone following that train of thought it makes sense as a caliber choice.

I personally don't perscribe to that logic or method 100%, but some do.

As a paper puncher neither the 300win mag or 300rum are very good choices. For shooting beyond 500 yards, neither is the best choice.
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The 30-06 is really dead huh?
The .30-06 is great round. If you go on Snipers Hide you can read some of Montana Marine's posts about his .30-06 and what he is doing with it. There are a group of guys there pushing the 208 A-Max with the .30-06 to about 2,800+ fps. I think the biggest issue is that .308 got the reputation of being a significantly more accurate when it was first introduced and that killed off the '06 as a long range match grade round. Plus there aren't any factory heavy barrel rifles in .30-06.

BTW, I have a .30-06 and am working up some loads with the 208 A-Max and I just picked up the new Berger 215 Hybrid.

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I thought about an RUM but kept my 300win.

For a target rifle I wouldn't want either caliber.
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I thought about an RUM but kept my 300win.

For a target rifle I wouldn't want either caliber.
For target shooting to 1K and slightly past that I would go with .30-06. Past that range I think is where the .338 LM would be better.
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300 WM is the way to go. I have a buddy that got a 300 RUM and regrets not getting a 300 WM instead.
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For target shooting to 1K and slightly past that I would go with .30-06. Past that range I think is where the .338 LM would be better.

Yes the 30-06 will do to but not much better than a .308 Win. There are plenty of people that took the .308 past 1K with no issues.

The 300 WinMag now is way over the top of the .308 and 30-06 hands down.
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Any thoughts or opinions on which one? I know the win mag is more economical to shoot...looking for reasons or opinions on why you prefer one over the other.

Getting cold feet with my 338 Lapua and the cost of factory ammo..so I'm gonna get another bolt gun. I won't get into reloading for a while..so its factory ammo for now.

Thank you,
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Picking a rifle or a caliber is about matching the tool to the use and the shooter. How far do you typically shoot and at what? If you are a long range target shooter, then any of the above will do (but none will be "cheap" by definition, ditto for the rifle and necessary optics).

Target shooters take match quality rifles and quality ammunition in the 7.62 NATO/.308 caliber to 1000 yards while the .30-06 can be pushed to 1200 yards using a similar level of care. .300 Winchester Magnum is frequently used out to 1400 yards and is one of the few calibers in .30 caliber magnum the military has rifles chambered in. .300 RUM has been used to 1600 yards by experts. It's marginally less costly to feed than the .338 LM. .338 Lapua magnum is a 2000+ yard capable combination with appropriate load development, excellent rifles and superlative technique.

For hunting purposes, the ranges are considerably shorter to increase the likelihood of a quick and ethical kill. If you want to shoot further than about 400 yards, or hunt even larger or more dangerous animals, that would be a good reason to look at rifles in the calibers above. For the majority of us that stick to haunts in the lower 48 states and will never see a Grizzly bear except at the zoo, it's probably not necessary. I've watched hunting shows where the guide took a very experienced hunter into a valley, stalking down a bull moose during the rut with the only reasonable opportunities to take a shot occurring consistently over 600 yards. Under those conditions, then one of the magnificent .30 magnums might be needed. Mostly they just take up space in the gunsafe and are rarely if ever used. A favorite among mountain goat hunters is fairly light and handy rifles in .243 Winchester firing an 80 grain ballistic tip or soft point. If you want flat trajectory the .270 or even the .260 Rem or 7mm-08 work very well for the purpose and their mild recoil and lighter rifle platforms are a pleasure to carry and shoot.

I would suggest making sure the rifle and caliber you are looking at really fits your needs before plunking down the money for complete rifle, scope and enough ammo to become proficient with it. I don't think you'll ever run into a situation of "not enough gun" if you are hunting any North American game animal at the under 400 yard mark most hunters are comfortable with taking at shot within using a milder "non-magnum" such as .30-06, .308 or cartridges based on either (.270, .25-06, .260 Rem, 7mm-08, etc.).

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For target shooting to 1K and slightly past that I would go with .30-06. Past that range I think is where the .338 LM would be better.
I've heard of people using the 30-06 for that with different powders and heavy bullets

Considering what I have seen at comps and on scorecards I really think 6.5mm calibers are ideal for that sort of shooting though. High BC, low recoil, probably a little better barrel life than a hot loaded 06 or magnum.
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...Target shooters take match quality rifles and quality ammunition in the 7.62 NATO/.308 caliber to 1000 yards...
Palma shooters (800, 900, 1000 yards) use the 308 because they are restricted to NATO military calibers. Not many top shooters are shooting the 308 at 1000 yards anymore, the 6.5mm rounds are the top picks today.
However, the 308 is a great place to start long range shooting, learning your zeros, then moving on to handloads. I'm not sure why all the interest in the big boomers by novice shooters but they all would be better off starting with the 308 before moving into the big stuff.
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If you're in need of a fast .30, may as well go big with a .30-378. If the case cannot hold more than 115 grains of gunpowder, why bother with it?
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I've heard of people using the 30-06 for that with different powders and heavy bullets

Considering what I have seen at comps and on scorecards I really think 6.5mm calibers are ideal for that sort of shooting though. High BC, low recoil, probably a little better barrel life than a hot loaded 06 or magnum.
It's not so much bullet weight, but the resulting ballistic coefficients of the longer, more streamlined profile. Target shooters have access to a new generation of projectiles with much better ballistic coefficients than were available even 10 years ago. It is the new bullets, in addition to fairly recent improvements in propellents that have allowed longer shots to be taken with the venerable .30-06. The .308's primary disadvantage by comparison is bullet seating area and of course reduced propellent space. If the goal is 1000 yards, either will do nicely, though .30-06 in a well developed load with a competent shooter in an excellent rifle will go further having both higher BC bullets and more propellent to drive it.

The magnum .30 caliber rifles will flatten the trajectory and extend the range, but the point of diminishing return is reached with a full power .30-06 load, with every increment above this battering rifle and shooter with increasing ferocity and thundering report. A tool that batters the shooter tends to see a lot less use than one that is more pleasant to shoot. Taming a magnum might have some appeal, but it gets old quick. Some of the best deals to be found on gun auctions, if you are really in the market for a big-booming magnum, are lightly used (by definition, most are) that fit the "gunsafe queen" moniker in that the vast majority have had fewer than a hundred rounds fired through them despite already having gone through some 6 owners. They have their use, however narrow that niche might be, but for the vast majority, they are like massive sport utility vehicles that have never been taken off road and their owners have little reason to wish to scratch the paint.

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Picking a rifle or a caliber is about matching the tool to the use and the shooter. How far do you typically shoot and at what? If you are a long range target shooter, then any of the above will do (but none will be "cheap" by definition, ditto for the rifle and necessary optics).

Target shooters take match quality rifles and quality ammunition in the 7.62 NATO/.308 caliber to 1000 yards while the .30-06 can be pushed to 1200 yards using a similar level of care. .300 Winchester Magnum is frequently used out to 1400 yards and is one of the few calibers in .30 caliber magnum the military has rifles chambered in. .300 RUM has been used to 1600 yards by experts. It's marginally less costly to feed than the .338 LM. .338 Lapua magnum is a 2000+ yard capable combination with appropriate load development, excellent rifles and superlative technique.

For hunting purposes, the ranges are considerably shorter to increase the likelihood of a quick and ethical kill. If you want to shoot further than about 400 yards, or hunt even larger or more dangerous animals, that would be a good reason to look at rifles in the calibers above. For the majority of us that stick to haunts in the lower 48 states and will never see a Grizzly bear except at the zoo, it's probably not necessary. I've watched hunting shows where the guide took a very experienced hunter into a valley, stalking down a bull moose during the rut with the only reasonable opportunities to take a shot occurring consistently over 600 yards. Under those conditions, then one of the magnificent .30 magnums might be needed. Mostly they just take up space in the gunsafe and are rarely if ever used. A favorite among mountain goat hunters is fairly light and handy rifles in .243 Winchester firing an 80 grain ballistic tip or soft point. If you want flat trajectory the .270 or even the .260 Rem or 7mm-08 work very well for the purpose and their mild recoil and lighter rifle platforms are a pleasure to carry and shoot.

I would suggest making sure the rifle and caliber you are looking at really fits your needs before plunking down the money for complete rifle, scope and enough ammo to become proficient with it. I don't think you'll ever run into a situation of "not enough gun" if you are hunting any North American game animal at the under 400 yard mark most hunters are comfortable with taking at shot within using a milder "non-magnum" such as .30-06, .308 or cartridges based on either (.270, .25-06, .260 Rem, 7mm-08, etc.).

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As a proud owner of a 338 winmag I can find deals on ammo from 26-29$ a box a few times a year and it's mostly reloading after that.
Most places sell 300 and 338 for an arm and a leg.

If you want a cheap shooter the 243 or 308 is great. I shot my last deer with a .243 reload. The 243 is surprising given a 100gr bullet it can reach out far and flat.

I'd advise if you do go 300 or 338 in any flavor, get a reloading kit or win the lotto so you can afford +38$ a box.
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Yes the 30-06 will do to but not much better than a .308 Win. There are plenty of people that took the .308 past 1K with no issues.

The 300 WinMag now is way over the top of the .308 and 30-06 hands down.
Factory .30-06 isn't much better than .308 Win but if you load for it, especially heavy bullets, you can push it pretty hard. In modern rifles pushed the same, the greater case capacity of the .30-06 will give it a pretty good advantage.

If I had a .338 Lapua and was looking for a rifle to fill the ranges inside of it, I would pick the .30-06 over the .300 Win Mag.
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I load my -06 with 208 Amax and it shoots and groups well. My next rifle will be either an AR-10 or a 338LM (I really want the 338). I do have some 338 ammo in stock as well as all the other calibers as well:

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Factory .30-06 isn't much better than .308 Win but if you load for it, especially heavy bullets, you can push it pretty hard. In modern rifles pushed the same, the greater case capacity of the .30-06 will give it a pretty good advantage.

If I had a .338 Lapua and was looking for a rifle to fill the ranges inside of it, I would pick the .30-06 over the .300 Win Mag.

I agree and its true. Only reason I was saying this is because the Op stated factory ammo. I would have to +1 to the person stating that a nice reloading setup should be looked for.
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I agree and its true. Only reason I was saying this is because the Op stated factory ammo. I would have to +1 to the person stating that a nice reloading setup should be looked for.
I did find factory loaded .30-06 with the 208 A-Max and a listed MV of 2700 fps. I can't think of the name right now but I'll look for it.
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The 30-06 is really dead huh?
I love my 30-06 wouldn't trade it for anything. I have no problem hitting my target at 500 yds.
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One thing I often see overlooked by bigginers is calibers other than .30.

.30 caliber rifles are popular for many reasons, much of it's popularity can be attributed to tradition and history, but that does not make them necessarily the best choice. Many of the shooters on calguns do not hunt. Dare I make the assumption that many shooters here only make a few trips to the range to punch paper? If you do not reload the 308 or 223 makes sense due to the wide variety of highly accurate factory ammo available for those calibers. If you do hand load your own ammunition a vast array of calibers that are superior for long range shooting become a viable option.

The discerning target shooters generally pick a caliber from 6mm to 7mm. The 6 and 6.5 seem to be the most popular choices in that range. The reason being is that 6, 6.5, and 7 mm calibers raditionally had fast twist barrels so long sleek bullets with high bc's are available. Additionally these calibers can be driven at a very high velocity without imparting uncomfortable recoil to the shooter. When you step up to the 30 caliber t takes a much heavier bullet and a lot more powder to match the speed and bc of the smaller calibers. This does two things. One, the larger caliber (assuming it is launching a bullet of the same bc at the same speed) will have more inertia to carry its energy farther. Two, it will recoil far more that the smaller calibers. The vast majority of shooters (99%?) do not need that added energy and nobody needs recoil.

The problem with the 308 and 30-06 is their slow initial speed (less so with the 06) and BC. I. Theory this should not be a large handicap for target shooters because your range is known and can be corrected for. There are two flaws in this logic. One, the slower the projectile the more time gravity has to act apon it, meaning you have less margin of error than you would with a more capable cartridge. And the other, which most shooters realize, is that the wind has longer to Push your bullet because it is in the air longer due to your low initial velocity. Couple that with the .30 calibers inherently lower bc's due too limited twist rates and you have even more compounded dissadvantage. Finally, the increased recoil further reduces the ability ofthe shooter to practice and place shots precisely.

What am I getting at? If you load your own ammo and are seriously considering shooting at 1000 yards you would be better served with a faster shooting, lower recoiling, higher bc bullet slinging cartridge.

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One thing I often see overlooked by bigginers is calibers other than .30.

.30 caliber rifles are popular for many reasons, much of it's popularity can be attributed to tradition and history, but that does not make them necessarily the best choice. Many of the shooters on calguns do not hunt. Dare I make the assumption that many shooters here only make a few trips to the range to punch paper? If you do not reload the 308 or 223 makes sense due to the wide variety of highly accurate factory ammo available for those calibers. If you do hand load your own ammunition a vast array of calibers that are superior for long range shooting become a viable option.

The discerning target shooters generally pick a caliber from 6mm to 7mm. The 6 and 6.5 seem to be the most popular choices in that range. The reason being is that 6, 6.5, and 7 mm calibers raditionally had fast twist barrels so long sleek bullets with high bc's are available. Additionally these calibers can be driven at a very high velocity without imparting uncomfortable recoil to the shooter. When you step up to the 30 caliber t takes a much heavier bullet and a lot more powder to match the speed and bc of the smaller calibers. This does two things. One, the larger caliber (assuming it is launching a bullet of the same bc at the same speed) will have more inertia to carry its energy farther. Two, it will recoil far more that the smaller calibers. The vast majority of shooters (99%?) do not need that added energy and nobody needs recoil.

The problem with the 308 and 30-06 is their slow initial speed (less so with the 06) and BC. I. Theory this should not be a large handicap for target shooters because your range is known and can be corrected for. There are two flaws in this logic. One, the slower the projectile the more time gravity has to act apon it, meaning you have less margin of error than you would with a more capable cartridge. And the other, which most shooters realize, is that the wind has longer to Push your bullet because it is in the air longer due to your low initial velocity. Couple that with the .30 calibers inherently lower bc's due too limited twist rates and you have even more compounded dissadvantage. Finally, the increased recoil further reduces the ability ofthe shooter to practice and place shots precisely.

What am I getting at? If you load your own ammo and are seriously considering shooting at 1000 yards you would be better served with a faster shooting, lower recoiling, higher bc bullet slinging cartridge.

I apologize for any odd grammatical errors. This was sent form my iPhone.
The 208 A-Max has a higher BC than most of the match bullets in 6.5mm. The new Berger 215 hybrid has an even higher BC. With a long barrel and slow powder the .30-06 can push them fast enough so they are as flat or flatter shooting than the 6.5s.
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Yes the 208 AMax has high BC and in a 300 WM you can really extend the velocity and distance you shoot If you search you can easily find loads for the 208 AMax going 2900+ thats fast if you ask me.
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Factory .30-06 isn't much better than .308 Win but if you load for it, especially heavy bullets, you can push it pretty hard. In modern rifles pushed the same, the greater case capacity of the .30-06 will give it a pretty good advantage.

If I had a .338 Lapua and was looking for a rifle to fill the ranges inside of it, I would pick the .30-06 over the .300 Win Mag.
Shooting factory Winchester 168 gr rounds, the 30-06 is about 5" less drop at 500 yrds (200 yd zero) than the .308. Pretty small difference for most purposes.
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Yes the 208 AMax has high BC and in a 300 WM you can really extend the velocity and distance you shoot If you search you can easily find loads for the 208 AMax going 2900+ thats fast if you ask me.
I get that the .300 Win Mag can out fly the .30-06 but is the extra recoil and barrel wear worth it when he also has the .338 Lapua. If he didn't have the .338, I would go for the .300 Win Mag for sure.
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The 208 A-Max has a higher BC than most of the match bullets in 6.5mm. The new Berger 215 hybrid has an even higher BC. With a long barrel and slow powder the .30-06 can push them fast enough so they are as flat or flatter shooting than the 6.5s.
Given equal length barrels the 30-06 can not push those heavy 200gr+ bullets fast enough to keep up with a fast 6.5 or 7 pushing bullets of almost the same bc or in the case of the 7, higher bc ( untill you go up to the 230gr 30cal pills). You can move up to the 300 magnums and push the 200's at a quicker pace, but now you have a tremendous increase in recoil with negligible beneficial effects on a paper target. If your goal is punching through steel at 1400 yards then the 230hybrid is a clear winner, but at that point you might as well step up to the 338 if you want extreme punch at long range and can handle the recoil. As I was trying to point out in my earlier post, 99% of the shooters don't need to penetrate body armor at 1000 yards, but they do need to hit a piece of paper or for a very few an animal. In either case a lower recoiling cartridge that has an equal or better trajectory out to 1000-1200 yards is more suitable.

I didn't mean to start a pissing match about calibers, I am simply trying to give a real world assessment from my own experiences shooting that may help someone in selecting their next long range caliber. The 30-06 is a fine caliber and if that is what you like that's great.
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Given equal length barrels the 30-06 can not push those heavy 200gr+ bullets fast enough to keep up with a fast 6.5 or 7 pushing bullets of almost the same bc or in the case of the 7, higher bc ( untill you go up to the 230gr 30cal pills). You can move up to the 300 magnums and push the 200's at a quicker pace, but now you have a tremendous increase in recoil with negligible beneficial effects on a paper target. If your goal is punching through steel at 1400 yards then the 230hybrid is a clear winner, but at that point you might as well step up to the 338 if you want extreme punch at long range and can handle the recoil. As I was trying to point out in my earlier post, 99% of the shooters don't need to penetrate body armor at 1000 yards, but they do need to hit a piece of paper or for a very few an animal. In either case a lower recoiling cartridge that has an equal or better trajectory out to 1000-1200 yards is more suitable.

I didn't mean to start a pissing match about calibers, I am simply trying to give a real world assessment from my own experiences shooting that may help someone in selecting their next long range caliber. The 30-06 is a fine caliber and if that is what you like that's great.
I think the problem is that for a while most .308 caliber bullets were designed with the .308 Win in mind. With it's limited case capacity, there wasn't much of a reason to produce high bc bullets. The 6.5s and 7s do produce great ballistics for sure but that comes at the expense of barrel life for the most part. I think many people underestimate the abilities of the .30-06.

Here are some of the G7 BCs of match grade bullets:

Hornady 0.308" 208gr Amax 0.324
Berger 0.308" 215gr Target Hybrid 0.356

Berger 0.284" 180gr VLD 0.337
Sierra 0.284" 175gr Matchking 0.327
Hornady 0.284" 162gr Amax 0.307

Sierra 0.264" 142gr Matchking 0.301
JLK 0.264" 140gr VLD 0.327
Berger 0.264" 140gr VLD 0.313
Hornady 0.264" 140gr Amax 0.299
Nosler 0.264" 140gr Competition 0.281
Lapua 0.264" 139gr Scenar 0.285
Berger 0.264" 130gr VLD 0.282
Sierra 0.264" 123gr Matchking 0.260

I don't take this as a pissing match. If people see it as that I didn't intend for that either. At least we are talking about something other than AR vs AK, DI vs piston or 9mm vs .45.
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What a difference in b.c.

In .338 you are looking at around .6 for 250gr bullets. I load 250gr Lapua FMJ, at ~3000fps with a ~.662 b.c. 300gr SMK is ~.768, although my rifle prefers the 250gr lockbase.

I keep looking for "high" b.c. .311 bullets, I guess I better lower my standards!

Regarding the OP, seems like the big magnums would just duplicate your 338, go with a 308 IMHO
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