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Old 03-26-2012, 4:30 PM
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I was watching Wild Justice yesterday, and one of the game wardens had to put down a fawn that had paralyzed itself by running into a fence. The warden shot the fawn with his service pistol and said he was going to leave it in an area where it could become part of "the circle of life". I'm assuming that wardens use some sort of standard jacketed lead hp's for everyday carry. I'm sure it's also safe to assume that they probably put down wounded animals and leave them for "the circle of life" on a somewhat regular basis. The lead ban proponents say that even tiny fragments are deposited in the animals when bullets go completely through. Seeing how hunters can't use lead, and condors are still being poisoned/killed by ingesting lead (according to environmentalists), the only logical conclusion is that game wardens are responsible for killing condors by leaving "dispatched" animals for them to eat. Unless of course wardens don't use lead ammo in their carry pistols in which case just ignore my ramblings.
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Leos and Wardens and Rangers can do what ever they feel is needed and you cant question them, did you not know that? it falls under, in the line of work........
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remember in this state LE are a different class of citizen. how dare you question the authorities of breaking the law that we serfs are forced to abide by.
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I'm not questioning whether or not what they are doing is legal (in my opinion, Mother Nature wants the condors gone anyway, but that's another thread), I don't much care at this point. I just think that the next time a condor hugging hippie starts screaming at hunters for poisoning condors, we should scream right back that it isn't us - it's the game wardens. Then explain why. Their facial expressions will be priceless.
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The thread title is misleading. I was hoping to read that they were getting lead poisoning the old fashioned way, from the muzzle...
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You got it all wrong. The condors know that the warden killed the deer. The condor knows not to eat that animal. The legislature told them not to. Sheesh.
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Please don't "blame" or "point fingers" at game warden as you'll most likely give them hippies more excuses.

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I was watching Wild Justice yesterday, and one of the game wardens had to put down a fawn that had paralyzed itself by running into a fence. The warden shot the fawn with his service pistol and said he was going to leave it in an area where it could become part of "the circle of life". I'm assuming that wardens use some sort of standard jacketed lead hp's for everyday carry. I'm sure it's also safe to assume that they probably put down wounded animals and leave them for "the circle of life" on a somewhat regular basis. The lead ban proponents say that even tiny fragments are deposited in the animals when bullets go completely through. Seeing how hunters can't use lead, and condors are still being poisoned/killed by ingesting lead (according to environmentalists), the only logical conclusion is that game wardens are responsible for killing condors by leaving "dispatched" animals for them to eat. Unless of course wardens don't use lead ammo in their carry pistols in which case just ignore my ramblings.
I'd say this is an invalid argument as it is based on assumption and one proposition. Therefore, conclusion would be invalid.

As for "the circle of life" means that the ecosystem will sustain itself. In other words, maggots, worms, bugs will feast on it, which in turns produces waste. --> Its wastes serves as fertilizer for the plants to grow. --> Plants observes CO2 and releases oxygen. --> Herbivore mammal feeds on plants. --> Game animals feed us..

Can you see the cycle and how ecosystem works?
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Like you could get a word in edgewise with them..
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Please don't "blame" or "point fingers" at game warden as you'll most likely give them hippies (legislators / regulators) more excuses.

Can you see the cycle (with a sound balance of scientific management) and how ecosystem works?
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No I cannot because their brain are programed to be a liberal and that they are blind from the big picture (the world).
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No I cannot because their brain are programed to be a liberal and that they are blind from the big picture (the world).
I understand your frustration. But we need to have cooler heads prevail.
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Please don't "blame" or "point fingers" at game warden as you'll most likely give them hippies more excuses.



I'd say this is an invalid argument as it is based on assumption and one proposition. Therefore, conclusion would be invalid.

As for "the circle of life" means that the ecosystem will sustain itself. In other words, maggots, worms, bugs will feast on it, which in turns produces waste. --> Its wastes serves as fertilizer for the plants to grow. --> Plants observes CO2 and releases oxygen. --> Herbivore mammal feeds on plants. --> Game animals feed us..

Can you see the cycle and how ecosystem works?
It may or may not be a valid conclusion. We don't yet know what ammo wardens carry in their sidearms. It's still a valid question. Are wardens contributing to condor deaths with this practice? Your description of the "circle of life" is missing an important component. It's a fact that condors feed exclusively on carrion. And it's reasonable to conclude that they'll inevitably feed on an animal that's been put down by a warden. I'm going to make some phone calls and send some emails and attempt to find out what they use.
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was the area they were in, part of the non-lead condor corridor?
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was the area they were in, part of the non-lead condor corridor?
Yep. Cambria, CA.
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Simple solution. Shot the remaining condors, then we won't have to worry about poisoning em.
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