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Old 03-22-2012, 3:12 PM
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Default Mako Collapsible Stock For Glock Pistols Legal or no?

Does owning a glock 19 and a Mako Collapsible Stock For Glock Pistols make it constructive possession in California?



I want one but want to know if its legal before I make the purchase. Obviously no purchase made yet and wont be unless it is legal. Staying legal!

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Old 03-22-2012, 3:17 PM
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not a good idea, if you own a Glock or any other firearm it will fit on that has a bbl < 16" or will be < 26" OAL once attached
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12020(c)(2) As used in this section, a "short-barreled rifle" means any of the following:
A) A rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.
(B) A rifle with an overall length of less than 26 inches.
(C) Any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.
(D) Any device which may be readily restored to fire a fixed cartridge which, when so restored, is a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C), inclusive.
(E) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to convert a device into a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C), inclusive, or any combination of parts from which a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C), inclusive, may be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person
also, consider adding a "?" to your thread title. looks like it's a statement.
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Lol ....the way the thread was labeled I thought the law changed...i was like ...SWEEEET!!
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DON'T. PERIOD.

[The only way a Californian should own one of these is if he does not/will not own a Glock and only wants it for Airsoft crap.]


Doesn't matter if your Glock and this stock are assembled or not. Doesn't matter if the Glock is in your summer home at Tahoe and this kit is stored in your garage in San Diego.

"Constructive possession' means ownership & control.
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Ca law isn't the real problem. Federal law is. Owning a Glock in Maine and keeping this stock in Ca can get you 10 years in federal prision. Owning both in Ca will just mean that once you get out of federal prision, you'll have a place to go so, you won't need to look for a place to rent for a few extra years.
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Ca law isn't the real problem. Federal law is. Owning a Glock in Maine and keeping this stock in Ca can get you 10 years in federal prision. Owning both in Ca will just mean that once you get out of federal prision, you'll have a place to go so, you won't need to look for a place to rent for a few extra years.
^^^Free rent you say? Sign me up! LOL

What is the use of this contraption, anyways? Seems like a free ticket to jail to me.
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DARN! ok thanks all. Glad i didn't buy it. PS changed the title of post so its more of a question then a statement
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If you can find yourself a 16" Glock barrel and get that thing to 30" OAL you might pull it off

Otherwise listen to Bwiese of course.
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If you can find yourself a 16" Glock barrel and get that thing to 30" OAL you might pull it off

Otherwise listen to Bwiese of course.
Nope - then you have an assault weapon. Centerfire, pistol grip with detach magazine. Doesn't seem that should apply to a handgun reconfigued as a long gun, but it does. Wonderful state, eh?
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DON'T. PERIOD.

[The only way a Californian should own one of these is if he does not/will not own a Glock and only wants it for Airsoft crap.]


Doesn't matter if your Glock and this stock are assembled or not. Doesn't matter if the Glock is in your summer home at Tahoe and this kit is stored in your garage in San Diego.

"Constructive possession' means ownership & control.

Sadly, Yup.

Now, when the ban on SBRs goes away, THEN we can get carried away. There used to be similar (but clamp-on) things for single action Colts. Maybe someone will make something like this for 1911s as well. But for now, all we can do is dream.


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Nope - then you have an assault weapon. Centerfire, pistol grip with detach magazine. Doesn't seem that should apply to a handgun reconfigued as a long gun, but it does. Wonderful state, eh?
If you can find yourself a 16" glock barrel I'm sure you can figure out the bullet button too.
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Okay so you have one Glock configured properly with a BB and a 16" barrel. If you have a second "normal" Glock I take it you're still not in compliance?
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With a 16" barrel, I don't think you're going to get over the 30" min Over All Length requirement.

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With a 16" barrel, I don't think you're going to get over the 30" min Over All Length requirement.
OK, how about a 16" barrel and a bayonet?
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With a 16" barrel, I don't think you're going to get over the 30" min Over All Length requirement.

Your answer is fair but you know where I was going with that question. Whatever length of barrel is required to meet the requirement, am I correct that the presence of a noncompliant Glock would still cause an issue? It sounds like all Glocks owned in this hypothetical situation would have to be compliant.
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^^^Free rent you say? Sign me up! LOL

What is the use of this contraption, anyways? Seems like a free ticket to jail to me.
Well, it's not exactly free. You might have to pay a bit if there's a large guy with peculiar attractions to the same sex.
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Well, it's not exactly free. You might have to pay a bit if there's a large guy with peculiar attractions to the same sex.
Free rent and a little action too?
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Your answer is fair but you know where I was going with that question. Whatever length of barrel is required to meet the requirement, am I correct that the presence of a noncompliant Glock would still cause an issue? It sounds like all Glocks owned in this hypothetical situation would have to be compliant.
No. As long as you have a legal outlet you are good to go. For example, lots of people who own AR pistols also own AR rifles.
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Question,

Would that stock potentially be legal for use w/o a BB if it was permanentally attached to the glock and had this upper:

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=mech+...:429,r:25,s:99

(mech tech basic upper if the link doesnt work)

AND the stock did not make contact with the back of the upper

AND the stock was somehow fixed (not collapsable)

meaning the carbine would basically be in the same configuration as the u-15 featurless AR stocks

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=u-15+...1t:429,r:8,s:0

(edit) Assuming the carbine was left otherwise featureless, no foreward pistol grip, nothing else of the sort. What im trying to determine is if the glocks pistol grip would still be considered a pistol grip in this configuration.

AND OAL requirment was met

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Question,

Would that stock potentially be legal for use w/o a BB if it was permanentally attached to the glock and had this upper:

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=mech+...:429,r:25,s:99

(mech tech basic upper if the link doesnt work)

AND the stock did not make contact with the back of the upper

AND the stock was somehow fixed (not collapsable)

meaning the carbine would basically be in the same configuration as the u-15 featurless AR stocks

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=u-15+...1t:429,r:8,s:0

(edit) Assuming the carbine was left otherwise featureless, no foreward pistol grip, nothing else of the sort. What im trying to determine is if the glocks pistol grip would still be considered a pistol grip in this configuration.

AND OAL requirment was met
Glock pistol grip would still be a pistol grip in that config

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(d) "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" means a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top exposed portion of the trigger while firing.
its not about where the stock is attached, its about the angle of the grip and whether you can grip it w/ thumb & fingers on opposite sides such that the web of hand is below top of trigger.
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Glock pistol grip would still be a pistol grip in that config



its not about where the stock is attached, its about the angle of the grip and whether you can grip it w/ thumb & fingers on opposite sides such that the web of hand is below top of trigger.
Roger that, and thank you for the clarification.
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Federally it is an SBR and you owe NFA taxes. I would never have both a Glock and that stock in the same location at the same time.
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Federally it is an SBR and you owe NFA taxes. I would never have both a Glock and that stock in the same location at the same time.
Federally, it goesn't make a bit of difference if they are in the same location or not. If you own both parts and keep them stored 3000 miles from each other, you have constructive possession of a SBR.
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