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Old 03-22-2012, 1:40 PM
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Default AR-15 or M1a Socom 16

Which one and why?
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You are talking about two completely different guns. One is a light .223 gun, the other is a heavy .308. What is your purpose? It's like asking what is better, a compact car or a pickup truck.

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Old 03-22-2012, 1:58 PM
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Between those two? The AR of the same amount of a Socom 16. Now if we were talking about a M1A Scout, that might be a different answer.

Like posted above, they are two different platforms. What are your needs?
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2 very different platforms and calibers. Now if I could only have one of them and that was it? I'd pick an M1A scout. But having both is much better
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Which one and why?
For what?

Hunting? Deer, pigs, coyotes, prairie dogs, or ???
Plinking?
Home defense?
Precision shooting?
Carbine classes?

It's a pointless question unless you specify what you want to use it for. Or maybe you're just trolling.
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socoms are kinda trash... overly heavy.
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Which one and why?
It's really the only question you need to answer.
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OP, I was in the same situation a few months ago, except I had one more dog in the fight--I couldn't decide between an AR-15, M1A Socom 16, or M1A Scout. I loved the .308 caliber and loved the Scout, but the Socom sure looked fun (I had no interest in the Socom II with the rails... changed the classic lines of the rifle too much). On top of that, when it came to the Scout, I couldn't even decide between the classic walnut stock or the sleeker black synthetic--so it was really like choosing between FOUR rifles!

Well, since I couldn't choose, I just went with the AR because it was cheaper, and cheaper to shoot... so it would give me something to do while I decided on an M1A. And I'll tell you this--getting the AR got the black rifle/tactical carbine fever out of my system--and now I've made up my mind that the Scout in Walnut Stock is the one I want, without a doubt. I knew I'd want an AR eventually anyway, regardless of which M1A I chose, so I'm glad I got it first.

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You are talking about two completely different guns. One is a light .223 gun, the other is a heavy .308. What is your purpose? It's like asking what is better, a compact car or a pickup truck.

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socom because i'm tired of ar's. but you really can't compare the 2, they're totally different.
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I wouldnt get a socom. The gas system is different then a normal M14/M1A.
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I wouldnt get a socom. The gas system is different then a normal M14/M1A.
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What's your point?
Probably that he should go with a Scout if he goes with an M1A. With a rifle that big and heavy, 2" isn't going to kill you. Plus you get better ballistics with 18 than you do with 16 in a 308.
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I dont like it. The M1A Gas system worked pretty good. Parts are readily available. The one on the socom had to be reworked to work with the shorter barrel. You have to go to Springfield for parts since it doesn't use off the shelf parts. That and the rail IMHO is just to heavy. Ive owned an M14 and played with the socom and to be honest I did not like it. A scout would be a beast. I would get a scout over a socom in a hot minute.
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I wouldnt get a socom. The gas system is different then a normal M14/M1A.
I don't own a SOCOM, but I do believe the only difference is the front cylinder lock is aslo a sight attach point. Gas cylinder, pistons are all interchangeable.

In regards to the original question. Get the M1A in the flavor of your choice now. Buy an AR down the road when you build up your firearm funds again. One word of caution. One M1A is not enough. I'm working on my fifth based on an LRB M14 receiver, with a Krieger heavy pattern barrel.

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I don't own a SOCOM, but I do believe the only difference is the front cylinder lock is aslo a sight attach point. Gas cylinder, pistons are all interchangeable.
The gas port is larger, the cylinder block/muzzle break is not the usgi design and for a while it had a different gas cylinder plug. I think newer ones are using the USGI cylinder plug again. Its also using a different thread on the barrel and the sights are different.
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I have a SA M1A Scout, bad ars and I love it.

I checked out / held (never shot) the SOCOM. IMO, Felt too heavy in front. If you are going to go something that heavy, it should at least have good weight distribution, if you wanted to add more crap on it, the weight forward thing would only get worse.

I read the SOCOM's are much louder also.

ETA: Oh yeah, don't need a stupid BB on M1A

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You are talking about two completely different guns. One is a light .223 gun, the other is a heavy .308. What is your purpose? It's like asking what is better, a compact car or a pickup truck.

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How much money do you have for ammo?

Sums it up pretty much
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Wow this threads actually exist..
It's like a double rainbow..
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It's america bud,
So get both..
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I was having the same dilemma, although between an AR 308 and the M1A.

I got the FNH FNAR

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i would get the m1a but not a socom...
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Carried an M-4 and M-16A2 in Iraq and wish I had an M1A SOCOM. Two different weapons, but the SOCOM is a cannon and AWESOME!
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Carried an M-4 and M-16A2 in Iraq and wish I had an M1A SOCOM. Two different weapons, but the SOCOM is a cannon and AWESOME!
You would take a Socom over a Scout?
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.308 can reach out much further . M1A
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I would take the AR on the cost of ammo now and the weight of ammo were you to have to transport a lot of it in SHTF.

I had a SOCOM II but sold it because it weighed a ton and the the ammo was so expensive vs .223
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Which one and why?
If you don't already own an AR pattern, AR pattern. Why? Everyone should own at least one, it's cheaper to shoot than an M1A and it's modular.
If you already own an AR pattern, M1A Scout Squad. Why? Why not? Battle rifle!
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I had a SOCOM II but sold it because it weighed a ton and the the ammo was so expensive vs .223

If you follow this thinking to its logical extension why not just get a sling shot and a bucket of marbles. Light and cheap ammo. You can use rocks in a pinch.
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If you follow this thinking to its logical extension why not just get a sling shot and a bucket of marbles. Light and cheap ammo. You can use rocks in a pinch.
not really. but thanks anyhow.

We were comparing two guns, why you would choose one over the other. I gave my real world reason as to why I chose the AR pattern rifle over the M1A style.
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I dont like it. The M1A Gas system worked pretty good. Parts are readily available. The one on the socom had to be reworked to work with the shorter barrel. You have to go to Springfield for parts since it doesn't use off the shelf parts. That and the rail IMHO is just to heavy. Ive owned an M14 and played with the socom and to be honest I did not like it. A scout would be a beast. I would get a scout over a socom in a hot minute.
Get a SOCOM 16 if you are not strong enough to heft the SOCOM II. And then buy some dumb bells.

I own a SOCOM and the gas system works just fine.
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Go M1A. You can always build an AR at your leisure and budget. Ammo for the M1A is WAY more expensive, but it's a bad *** gun.
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not really. but thanks anyhow.

We were comparing two guns, why you would choose one over the other. I gave my real world reason as to why I chose the AR pattern rifle over the M1A style.
If the AR will not do what you need it to then it doesn't matter what its ammo costs does it? Post SHTF with no supporting logistics you better be looking for one round stops out to 500 yards. Try that with your sling shot.

Try to keep up OK?
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Throw my vote to getting an M1A Scout over a Socom as well. If I could afford to shoot 308s or reloaded, thats what I'd get.
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Throw my vote to getting an M1A Scout over a Socom as well. If I could afford to shoot 308s or reloaded, thats what I'd get.
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