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Old 03-08-2012, 5:05 PM
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So I just picked up my new M&P 40c on Monday right before the range closed. Haven't had a chance to fire it yet. Today I was taking a closer look and noticed this.



Should a new gun have this brass ring?? I know it was fired at the factory, but I wouldn't think it would make this mark with just a couple test firings. Did I just buy a new, used gun??
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Old 03-08-2012, 5:12 PM
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Does the place let people shoot before buying? Was your gun on the list of allowed testers? That is just my thought. Or maybe an employee thought he should do a little breaking in for you. What is that word for when a king deflowers all new brides????

Thats what I am thinking?

Sorry man, I hope I am wrong.
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it could just be from the test firings. it isnt often that you find a gun that has NEVER been fired before reaching your hand. so ya, you got a new gun in my opinion.
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Old 03-08-2012, 5:17 PM
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I am not too famialiar with the M&P pistols but, no gun I own has the "brass ring" you are showing from any amount of firing.
Brass cases, as far as I have known do not leave a ring of brass in the position you are showing. Perhaps simply shooting it removed the factory coating?
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Alfred, I hope you're right. It's not that I'm some gun snob who wants a "virgin" gun. I'm more concerned about why if would've been fired. Did someone return this gun? Can you even do that? Return a firearm??
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Check for powder residue in the bore, bolt, firing pin, and even the lower receiver. From that pic, it doesn't even look like brass residue (looks bright yellow to me). Off first glance, my impression is no (so, not used), but there's too many factors that would provide evidence here.

Things to consider: check out the reviews on Yelp for this place, email/call S&W and ask for an explanation, ask the shop clerk/owner for an explanation, or anything else you can think of.

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Old 03-08-2012, 5:21 PM
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don't remember seeing anything like that on my MP45...
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Actually it does look like there could be some powder residue! Nothing in the receiver though. It almost looks like there may be a little rust in the barrel too!
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That'[s what happens when you buy from joe shmuck... sorry but honestly. When I bought all my weapons they were in plastic sealed bags lathered in cosmoline. They tore em open and wiped off the serial # to write it down then showed me the matching numbers ala paperwork and weapons. /shrug. Ya get what ya pay for sometimes.
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Check the spent case in the little envelope that comes with the gun. I bought a gun that had a painted case, yours may have also been painted and left behind some paint.
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The packaging sure looked like it was new. I got it from "guns, fishing, and other stuff" in Vacaville. I've heard some horror stories, but decided to give then my business anyway.

Jesse and bob, Maybe you're right. I should just relax and get over it. Wouldn't be the first used gun I bought. I just normally like to know it is when I do.
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I've never seen rings like that on any gun, even ones that have been shot 1000's of times. I dont think its used, but perhaps some special casing with paint when test fired. And I dont think theres rust in your barrel, probably just copper from the jacket of the projectile.

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And I dont think there is rust in your barrel, probably just copper from the jacket of the projectile jackets of the thousands of rounds the GF&OS staff fired before you picked it up.
There you go...fixed it for the OP.

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Maybe the gun store was using a cheap yellow snap cap and it was a display pistol? Just a thought.
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That'[s what happens when you buy from joe shmuck... sorry but honestly. When I bought all my weapons they were in plastic sealed bags lathered in cosmoline. They tore em open and wiped off the serial # to write it down then showed me the matching numbers ala paperwork and weapons. /shrug. Ya get what ya pay for sometimes.
Not sure what the heck you are even talking about?!?
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Prima nocta.

It might be a good idea, if the gun is on the shop when you dros it, to put your own cable lock on it and keep the key. I mean it's YOUR gun, right? Just because you have to leave it with the FFL for the ten days doesn't meM they can use it!!
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I seriously wouldn't worry about it that gun can shoot over 50k rounds and still be good it should just wipe off.
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My new M&P 40, and a friends new M&P 9 looked just like that.

It's like asking if the new car you bought is really new because it had a few miles on it.
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My new M&P 40, and a friends new M&P 9 looked just like that.
That's what I was hoping to hear from someone. I don't mind it if it's normal. Just hate to think the dealer pulled a fast one on me. Thanks
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I like triple A's in Vallejo, better people, better prices and no worries about employee's discharging your firearms because there is no on-site range.
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Probably happened when S&W test fired the firearm.

You have valid concerns, but don't think too much on it.

Congratulations on your purchase!
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What is the bright green stuff on some of the internals? It is probably the same substance.
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For it to develop a brass ring like that it probably would have had to have been a LOT of test firing.... My USP45 doesn't even look close to that after 300 rounds in a single session. Does it at least clean up easily?
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In the beginning I was paranoid off the same thing. And completely understand how you feel, but after awhile what can you really do, right? Its a gun that can take thousands and thousands of rounds, a tool of enjoyment. But if it was a collectors edition like the first 1911 ever made, then we gonna have sum problems. Congrats BTW!
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I've had a lot of new M&Ps go through my hands. That "ring" is common. It's from the proof-load test fire they give it at the factory. It's not brass residue, it's from finish wear.

Trust me, it's normal.
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THAT is completely normal for the 40C. A little eezox or similar will remove it, then fire exactly three rounds through it. I will come right back, have fun, don't sweat the small stuff.

Do this test, take a piece of spent brass and drag a corner of the case head (head not mouth) across the breech face. It will scribe a mark almost like a piece of chalk. Brass is very soft and when pressure is applied to a hard steel with a 50RW or harder guess whats going to give. The residu will wipe right off, but the circular impression will still be noticeable.

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I bought my first CA handgun from that store the guy who looked like santa claus was awesome but they are way over priced my buddy got the same SA XD 9MM 4INCH in rockland for around $100 cheaper. He was very helpful but the price is whats killing me. I went to triple a sporting goods in vallejo and heard sanramento black rifle, and valkery arms offer mil. discount. I got one from triple a on my stag arms model 2t.

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The packaging sure looked like it was new. I got it from "guns, fishing, and other stuff" in Vacaville. I've heard some horror stories, but decided to give then my business anyway.

Jesse and bob, Maybe you're right. I should just relax and get over it. Wouldn't be the first used gun I bought. I just normally like to know it is when I do.
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THAT is completely normal for the 40C. A little eezox or similar will remove it, then fire exactly three rounds through it. I will come right back, have fun, don't sweat the small stuff.

Do this test, take a piece of spent brass and drag a corner of the case head (head not mouth) across the breech face. It will scribe a mark almost like a piece of chalk. Brass is very soft and when pressure is applied to a hard steel with a 50RW or harder guess whats going to give. The residu will wipe right off, but the circular impression will still be noticeable.
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The question is, did you notice that same "brass ring" when you did the DROS? I always inspect a gun fully when I buy it. Then again when I pick it up.
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That's what I was hoping to hear from someone. I don't mind it if it's normal. Just hate to think the dealer pulled a fast one on me. Thanks
Glad you have the answer you are looking for! Having a few friends that have worked their over the years, I highly doubt any chance anybody shot it before or after you purchased it!
Sure GFOS has had some rude employees but that does not mean they are shooting "your" gun!

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A few of the members who've chimed in and said without a doubt that ring is normal for these guns certainly has convinced me that's normal out the box. However I wouldn't for one minute accept an answer of "don't worry about it, just shoot it", attitudes like that is why we have incidents at shooting ranges where employees simply help themselves to other peoples property without permission. I could give a rats butt how many thousands of rounds the gun could fire before an overhaul is needed, I'm paying for a new gun that's supposed to be test fired from the factory "only", and that's what I expect to get. Theirs another thread on here regarding the same under handed shooting range practices.

Whoever used the car analogy is wrong too, when you buy a car, you take possession of it with the mileage you can clearly see. You don't buy it then leave it at the dealer for 10 days and try to recall whether it was 23 miles or 223 miles when you purchased it.

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On one hand a box or two of ammo will make no difference in the long service life of the pistol (I have 2)

On the other had, you paid for a NEW gun
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Well I contacted Smith & Wesson. They confirmed that when they test fire the guns, they do not clean them before packaging them up. Would explain the powder residue in the barrell. It sounds like its legit, so I'm gonna try not to lose sleep over it. Thanks to those who replied.
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that looks pretty new to me. Is that yellow packing grease in there as well.

I would think the brass ring is only that observable the newer the gun is, and the newer the brass is, and the max power of a factory test load imprinting that ring
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Maybe factory lube residue and the mark may have come from the snap cap when you did the safe handling demo when you picked up the gun.
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Although technically the gun DROSed as "new", but based on your picture, looks like it took more than factory test fired to make that brass mark, so someone must have shot it after that more likely.

Now, it's up to you if you want to have a word with the store & tell them what's going on with your "new" purchased, or just move on & buy from somewhere else for your next purchase.

If I were you, I just move on & buy from somewhere else for my next purchase. Just my 2 cents.
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