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Old 02-13-2012, 9:03 PM
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I need to buy a spotting scope. Any suggestions? I'm willing to spend up to 300 bucks.
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Look into Konus, I got one and never looked back, I can see 5.56mm hits easily at 200 yards.

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Buy a Konus Spotting Scope 20-60x 80mm and keep it on 20x, I own two kowa's and have looked thru a lot of scopes in the silouette and long range game and the konus 80 is the best buy as far as I can telll at the 20/25x setting which is enough for Ca. temp/shooting
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best bang for your buck in that price range is the redfield rampage, very clear and good quality.
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Listen up what 6mmintl and others are saying.

If you do get a Konus, check out Jim Owens' offer. If you ever upgrade it, he will buy it back for $100 and donate it to the juniors at Camp Perry.
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Konus 7120 - $199 free shipping

I highly suggest you consider the Kowa instead. The Kowa 82SV replaced the venerable 821M which is what I use. Add a 25x Long Eye Relief eye piece and you're good to go.

You WANT long eye relief eyepiece more than a high magnification. Spotting scopes are used more for judging wind (mirage) and watching trace, rather than looking at holes at mid-range (beyond 300) so 25x is perfect. Long-relief is important because it allows you look through your scope without having to get too close to the spotting scope and bumping it causing vibration/motion.
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I bought a burris 15-45x60mm. Only cost $110.00 at opticsale.com. Good quality for the price and its a burris.
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I find it hard to believe you can see 556 holes at 200 yards with conus.I have owned swarovski spotting scope,looked thru many high end scopes,no 200$ scope can be that clear
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Look into Konus, I got one and never looked back, I can see 5.56mm hits easily at 200 yards.


I find it hard to believe you can see 556 holes at 200 yards with conus.I have owned swarovski spotting scope,looked thru many high end scopes,no 200$ scope can be that clear

An aquaintance of mine paid super big bucks for a Swarovski, more than double what I paid for Kowa 812 (he wouldn't listen, he had to have "the best", but thats another story...), and it is nowhere near the clarity and brightness of the Kowa. It is noticably "fish eyed" at the outer edges of the viewing area, a somewhat limited field of view, and just not very well set up for using from postion. Money spent doesn't always relate to quality or utility.
My preference is the Kowa, it is a proven scope at many shooting disciplines, but the OP has $300 to spend. Also, for the money, the Konus is far better than the old Campions Choice entry-level scopes.

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kowa is fine scope.I own one my self,problem is you cant see 556 holes at 200 yards with conus.
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Kowa is fine...but the OP said $300, not closer to a grand. Jim Owen's site is indeed the site for confirmation the Konus works good enough. He also sells the Kowa.
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...,problem is you cant see 556 holes at 200 yards with conus.

Depends on the backer and the light. Hell, I can't see them at 30 feet anymore, but I can't blame the equipment!
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I can easily see holes at 200yds with my Konus, but I use Shoot n See targets. When weather conditions are juuust right, I can barely make out a .556 hole at 200yds on a normal paper target, but this is NOT the norm.

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I find it hard to believe you can see 556 holes at 200 yards with conus.I have owned swarovski spotting scope,looked thru many high end scopes,no 200$ scope can be that clear
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I find it hard to believe you can see 556 holes at 200 yards with conus.I have owned swarovski spotting scope,looked thru many high end scopes,no 200$ scope can be that clear
I have no problem seeing .223 holes at 200 with
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Bushnell Excursion FLP spotting scope. Should be right around $300. If you can find one buy it!

A few years ago i went on an obsesive search for an acceptable spotting scope and there are some OK scopes near the $300 price point but all have very narrow field of view and very short eye relief.

The Bushnell FLP has rediculous wide fov and very good eye relief. The current FLP should have a mil dot reticle for range determination. It's direct copy of leupolds FLP scope but 1/3rd the price. My good friend has the Leupold but get this, we both prefer to use the Bushnell because it has x5 more magnification. Seeing bullet holes at 300 ydrs is no problem.

Bushnell Excursion FLP 15-45X60, look for it.
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^ Smittty's got it completely right. If I hadn't already bought my Alpen I would be *all over* the Excursion FLP. It is just about as sexy as a spotting scope gets before you start getting into the high-dollar reticles.

Your spotter can call in very precise corrections for you. It's FFP so a mil is a mil is a mil whatever your magnification.

Smittty if you ever decide to trade up to a better spotter I'll offer good money for your Excursion
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Barska 11-33X50 Tactical Spotter is worth looking into as well. It's well under the $300 limt at around $130.00 through most shops. I know, it's Barska...... But seriously it's pretty good. I haven't used it fro short range stuff yet, so I don't know if it will resolve .22 holes at 200 yards. It will resolve splash marks on steel from a 308 at 1000 yards, and marks from a 338 Lapua at 1500 yards. It also has a mil based reticle, although not FFP, it's only calibrated for use at 33X. Heres a pic I took of the moon through the Barska scope. Granted, it's a horrible picture, but that's due almost entirely to the camera and operater. The image through the scope is actually much clearer than this:

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Barska 11-33X50 Tactical Spotter is worth looking into as well. It's well under the $300 limt at around $130.00 through most shops. I know, it's Barska...... But seriously it's pretty good. I haven't used it fro short range stuff yet, so I don't know if it will resolve .22 holes at 200 yards. It will resolve splash marks on steel from a 308 at 1000 yards, and marks from a 338 Lapua at 1500 yards. It also has a mil based reticle, although not FFP, it's only calibrated for use at 33X. Heres a pic I took of the moon through the Barska scope. Granted, it's a horrible picture, but that's due almost entirely to the camera and operater. The image through the scope is actually much clearer than this:

I was wondering about that actually - have you tested the accuracy of the 1 mil at 33x at 100 (like against graph paper or a zeroing target)? I might pick one up if it's just $130. You think this is a decent deal?

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Just an FYI,

The quality of glass and the lighting/mirage will determine what you can see at what distances. With a Kowa there are days when you cannot see bullet holes at 100 yards or see 3" tall numbers written on a chalkboard at 200 yards. Then there are certain times when we can see .30 caliber bullet holes at 800 yards. And as previously mentioned, magnification is not always your friend. Somewhere in the 25+- range seems to be a good compromise, and at times less is even better. Kowa does/did make some 50mm+- objective lens scopes that had some pretty decent glass.
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I was wondering about that actually - have you tested the accuracy of the 1 mil at 33x at 100 (like against graph paper or a zeroing target)? I might pick one up if it's just $130. You think this is a decent deal?

http://www.amazon.com/Barska-11-33X5.../dp/B003L4BJQQ
I haven't tested it against graph paper for accuracy, but I have verified it against targets of known size and distance. My 1000 yard plate that is 18" tall fills up exactly 1/2 of a mil at 33X in the Barska. 1 mil = 36" @ 1000 yards. 18" is half of 36", so the math works out for it at 33X. I've had several people look through it and all have commented on how clear the glass is. It really is a decent scope, but there are a few issues. The included tripod is garbage. Literally. I threw it away with the rest of the boxing and plastic wrap the scope came in. The magnification ring (located on the eyepiece) also feels cheap and plasticy like something out of a happy meal toy. The focus ring is pretty smooth though. Eye relief is not too bad. There are better scopes out there as far as eye relief goes, but I spent a few hours looking through this scope yesterday while spotting for several other shooters and it wasn't unpleasant at all. Iv'e looked through some spotters that caused bad headaches after just a few minutes, this scope is not that bad at all. The deal on Amazon seems pretty good. I was lucky enough to get mine from Wayfair.com with free shipping and a coupon that knocked it down to $115.00. Their standard price for it is $137 now....
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Take a look at the Vortex Nomad, I know its a bit above your price range but its good glass and the warrenty is the best in the industry bar-none.
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^ Smittty's got it completely right. If I hadn't already bought my Alpen I would be *all over* the Excursion FLP. It is just about as sexy as a spotting scope gets before you start getting into the high-dollar reticles.

Your spotter can call in very precise corrections for you. It's FFP so a mil is a mil is a mil whatever your magnification.

Smittty if you ever decide to trade up to a better spotter I'll offer good money for your Excursion
I suggest getting the new version with the mil dots. Mine is one of the first ones and doesn't have the mil dots but I wish it did.
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Barska 11-33X50 Tactical Spotter is worth looking into as well. It's well under the $300 limt at around $130.00 through most shops. I know, it's Barska...... But seriously it's pretty good. I haven't used it fro short range stuff yet, so I don't know if it will resolve .22 holes at 200 yards. It will resolve splash marks on steel from a 308 at 1000 yards, and marks from a 338 Lapua at 1500 yards. It also has a mil based reticle, although not FFP, it's only calibrated for use at 33X. Heres a pic I took of the moon through the Barska scope. Granted, it's a horrible picture, but that's due almost entirely to the camera and operater. The image through the scope is actually much clearer than this:

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I could not believe it was a Barska!!! Very clear for the $
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