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Old 02-06-2012, 6:23 PM
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Default What distance do you test your pistol reloads?

After working up some new loads for handgun, at what distance do you test for accuracy? 7, 15 or 25 yards? I worked up some .45ACP but only had a chance to test at 7 yards and found a load that group very well. Should I test out to 15 and 25 yards?
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Old 02-06-2012, 6:29 PM
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25 yards, ammo would have to be pretty crappy to produce bad groups at 7 yards.
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25 yards I would consider the standard accuracy distance.
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700 yards.







So far my handloads have been indistinguishable from the most expensive factory loads.

YMMV.





45 ACP only.


The 10mm still tends to rip the target stands off of the face of the earth which makes it very difficult to gather data.
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I shoot at 10 - 15 yards. I'm not really good enough to tell much difference at 25.

If something is seriously amiss it will show up at 15 yards.
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I shoot ~ 10 yards.


If it groups well at 7, it should be capable at 25 (even if the shooter isn't good enough).
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10-15. At 25 yards, I'm not good enough to shoot a reasonable group (i'm pie plate accurate) to tell a difference in ammo accuracy.
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Thanks for the replies. Even with sand bags or a pistol rest, I have a hard time steadying for repeatable groups at 25 yards with irons. Wish I could afford a Ransom Rest.
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I put it in a Ransom to test 50 yards if it shoots decent sandbagged at 25 yards.
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I test my reloads at 8.4 yards. I have found 7 yards to be a random number that has no significance.
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If i shoot 25, i do it from a rest. Obviously at longer ranges it will exaggerate the results from different loads, but it will also amplify any natural human error. Too bad i dont have a ransom rest.

BigBronco brought up a cool idea when he was at my house a few months ago: we should all get together and start a reloading guild. Everyone pitches in like $5 a month or so and we use it to buy equipment like a ransom rest, Chrono, Giraud etc.. and we all take turns using the equipment for a few days.
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Since I shoot ICORE and the "Standards" stage starts at 50 yards.. I check my ammo at 50 yards.. and this is off hand since there are no "rests" available when on the timer on the "Standards".. If I am on at 50, I'm pretty much going to be on inside of 50..

I'd test at the longest distance you think you may need. 7 yards isn't anything as far as distance goes and after looking at targets on the 25 yard line at most ranges, most people can't hit anything at that distance. If you can't put them all inside 1-2" @ 7 yards, you need some more practice..

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Since I shoot ICORE and the "Standards" stage starts at 50 yards.. I check my ammo at 50 yards.. and this is off hand since there are no "rests" available when on the timer on the "Standards".. If I am on at 50, I'm pretty much going to be on inside of 50..

I'd test at the longest distance you think you may need. 7 yards isn't anything as far as distance goes and after looking at targets on the 25 yard line at most ranges, most people can't hit anything at that distance. If you can't put them all inside 1-2" @ 7 yards, you need some more practice..
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If i shoot 25, i do it from a rest. Obviously at longer ranges it will exaggerate the results from different loads, but it will also amplify any natural human error. Too bad i dont have a ransom rest.

BigBronco brought up a cool idea when he was at my house a few months ago: we should all get together and start a reloading guild. Everyone pitches in like $5 a month or so and we use it to buy equipment like a ransom rest, Chrono, Giraud etc.. and we all take turns using the equipment for a few days.
I have a Chrony I will toss out to be used as a loaner.

The benefits among other things of a club or guild could also be regularly scheduled group buys.
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I test my reloads at 8.4 yards. I have found 7 yards to be a random number that has no significance.
I believe (could be wrong) that most defensive shootings occur at 7 yards & less. There's some other significance to 21 feet that escapes me at the moment.

The longest shot I would ever need to make in my house is 30 feet.
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All a ransom rest proves is that load A is different (better or worse) than load B. It may prove more accurate, but so what? That's in a rest. It's when you have to factor in the shooter if you want to prove anything significant. For that matter, we shooters have to stand up on our legs, not crouch over ANY rest, if you want to prove how a shooter shoots. There's a real lack of tripods out there in the field. And that is when we find out just how crappy most of us shoot.
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7 yards is the 2 second distance that someone can cover if they are hell bent on harming you. It is the standard distance that Police train at. Inside 7 yards and people are a threat.. at least that's what I've heard/read.

I tend to train on a plate rack anywhere from 10-15 yards on a regular basis. When I practice the standards, the ranges are 50, 25, 10, and 3 yards.. at 10 and 3 yards there is some reloading going on.. On the rare occasion I go to the public line, I use the 25 yard line unless I'm bringing a newbie, then it's 15 yards.
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if I have NO IDEA what I'm doing, the test is at 25 yards.



Once I'm using a known good bullet or book loads for a known good twist, it's bagged at 50.



When the final zeroing in of load is ready for testing, it'll be bagged at 100 yards

[insert picture of awesome pistol group at 100 yards here. gimme a month ]
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Don't have a ransom rest (but I'd love access to one) and I should shoot rested more to test my pistol reloads. But why wouldn't you want to know load A is more accurate than load B,C,or D? When you're cranking out rounds by the thousands might as well use the recipe that produces the best results.

OP asked about testing his pistol reloads not his shooting skills.
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All a ransom rest proves is that load A is different (better or worse) than load B. It may prove more accurate, but so what? That's in a rest. It's when you have to factor in the shooter if you want to prove anything significant. For that matter, we shooters have to stand up on our legs, not crouch over ANY rest, if you want to prove how a shooter shoots. There's a real lack of tripods out there in the field. And that is when we find out just how crappy most of us shoot.
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Bingo. I'd break a ransom rest. It'd end up going over my head in recoil. But Op says LOAD testing, not SHOOTER testing. So bags it is. Always shoot for accuracy. slow. deliberate. aimed. and rested.

Got a reload (or factory ammo, doesn't matter) that doesn't need TESTING? that is good to go? have fun. shoot sideways like they do in the movies or whatever floats your boat. Try to curve the bullet or whatever criteria you decide is "significant". I guarantee from your response it does not match what chickenfried or myself would consider "significant".

For for load testing, bags at distance it is. for accuracy, and to make it easier to distinguish the good from the bad.

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Off hand I test at 10 yards. Rested 25 yards.
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if I have NO IDEA what I'm doing, the test is at 25 yards.



Once I'm using a known good bullet or book loads for a known good twist, it's bagged at 50.



When the final zeroing in of load is ready for testing, it'll be bagged at 100 yards

[insert picture of awesome pistol group at 100 yards here. gimme a month ]




500gr. bullet . 25gr. powder., 5 shots. 500S&W magnum? Sounds like a similar load I fire from mine.
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460. My barrel is not gain twist @ 16" rate. Learned very recently it loves the heavies (the X-frame seems to like the 200-350's shot as fast as possible). Which is kinda cool. The paper muzzle energy of the 500 going slow is the same as the 200 hornady driving H110-warp-speed. But at a fraction of the recoil.

Can't wait to recover a bullet shot to 100 yards. I bet it expands to over an inch in diameter in the berm! I bet it'll turn Wilbur inside out

And 25 gr of 4198 is not even CLOSE to max load. I shot up to 29 grains and can still push it. But this was the best group. Always shoot for accuracy first! This is the best reason to buy "enough gun". I'd have to max out a 454 casull to get this performance, it that wouldn't be any fun to shoot very much! I can shoot these all day with no worries of maxing anything out. It's just perfect so far.

Minus the fact that I can only cast 14 bullets per pound of lead

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Found opposite results with my 500 Magnum. I find that faster loads but lighter bullet resulted in more precision and accuracy. I don't shoot anything over 500gr anymore as accuracy suffers immensely. 350-440gr depending on load works the best. I can't match the higher velocitys of a. 460 with a longer barrel though.
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We shot some bowling pins with my 500 at close range and recovered the bullet. Lets just say it would not be nice to be on the receiving end. Load was a Sierra 350gr hp and 46gr of H-110. Yea, loaded on the hot side. The bullet completely blew the whole back of the pin into toothpicks. I have always wanted to shoot a bowling ball, just once.
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Found opposite results with my 500 Magnum. I find that faster loads but lighter bullet resulted in more precision and accuracy. I don't shoot anything over 500gr anymore as accuracy suffers immensely. 350-440gr depending on load works the best. I can't match the higher velocitys of a. 460 with a longer barrel though.
If the 500 has the same gain twist as the 460 X-frame, I'm not surprised. X-frame 460 seems to like the 200-350's best. I can't seem to make them shoot!
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