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Old 02-04-2012, 8:49 AM
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Default Why I chose guns [Peter van Uhm]

Hello all

The following link is a speech given by Peter van Uhm the Dutch Chief of Defense about one of the roles of guns in current society. It is 17 minutes long but I feel it is a very good speech. Some might construe there is a slight over tone of an anti individual right to keep and bear arm's sentiment but I really don't feel that is the case. Please view and share your comments.

I also love the pro military comments.

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Old 02-04-2012, 10:04 AM
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Excelent point of view and did you notice the audience's rapped attention? Personally, I know nothing about the gun laws of the Netherlands but I would like to see what his and their point of view about private ownership of weapons are. I think that Switzerland gets it right.
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Librarian, no comment?????
Old 02-04-2012, 10:34 AM
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What I get from this is………

A) He doesn’t like guns (which he stated)

B) I believe that he thinks only the Military should have guns “until the day comes we can do away with the gun” 15:32 into it.

C) To me this is about getting the funding for the new weapons. He mentions his father with an “old gun” numerous times and at about 15:49 he says “it takes good equipment……………… I hope you will support the efforts of our Armed Forces………….. and provide her with a good gun, instead of the bad gun my father was given.”

Overall the support the Military aspect was superb, but I believe that it has nothing to do with personal freedoms.

Old 02-04-2012, 10:36 AM
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Librarian, no comment?????
The above is not legal advice. It is just something you read from some dude on the internet. It does not reflect the opinion of If it seems rude it was probably meant to read sarcastically.

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Old 02-04-2012, 10:40 AM
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"state monopoly on violence" doesn't put him in the individual liberty camp in my book. But his topic would be an introduction to national self defense as a steeping stone for some hoplophobes.

One could always 'friend' him and find out:
False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
-- Cesare Beccaria

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Old 02-04-2012, 11:04 AM
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At least the third time posted this week.
The Legislature is in recess. We're immune from most further mischief until the next session begins, late December 2017.

There is no value at all complaining or analyzing or reading tea leaves to decide what these bills really mean or actually do; any bill with a chance to pass will be bad for gun owners.

The details only count after the Governor signs the bills.

Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs.

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