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Old 02-03-2012, 3:31 PM
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I was looking at those bullets for 45 ACP. They say there "The bullets are "jacketed", not coated and "swaged", not cast for greater accuracy and consistency". I would appreciate it if someone could translate that for me... I'm not sure what they mean, especially the part about "not cast for accuracy". Is that a typo? Thanks.
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Old 02-03-2012, 3:40 PM
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Those are jacketed 45ACP. The lead is swaged into the jacket, that is how jacketed bullets are manufactured.

They are not coated: these are not copper plated.

Not cast: the lead was not melted, it was swaged.

Otherwise known as normal manufacturing method for 45ACP bullets.
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Old 02-03-2012, 3:43 PM
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Got it, thanks. It looks like a pretty good deal.
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:37 AM
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In comparison, these bullets are like the ones made by Zero (actually they look like Zero's) and Montana Gold.

Not like the plated ones made by Berry Bullets or X-treme.

Without knowing who made the ones he's selling, I personally would go for the Zero bullets directly as shipping is included in the price for about $125 /1K... BUT they are out of the 230gn FMJ.
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Old 02-04-2012, 6:25 AM
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Got it, thanks. It looks like a pretty good deal.
This is the same price as Precison Delta's everyday price. The only difference is Precision Delta doesn't charge shipping.

He is likely buying as a dealer from PD and reselling them on Ebay.
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Old 02-04-2012, 6:57 AM
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True, Zero and Precision both have them, they are just out of stock now. Anyway, I decided to go with S&S 230 gn RN for my 1911. I want to go with something cheap and known to work for now.

Once I get more experience I will try SWCs, which I keep reading are more challenging in a 1911.
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Old 02-04-2012, 7:18 AM
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S&S make really high quality bullets, IMO a little better quality than MBC. I use them all the time and am very happy with them.

On the backordered thing with PD, I have never waited more than about 10 days for PD to ship when I ordered items that were backordered. Kind of like Starline brass, they tend to under commit and over deliver.

When you decide to give the SWC's a try, go with 200gr to start and just be sure to seat them so the wad cutter shelf is slightly above the case mouth and crimp to .469-.470" at the case mouth and you will likely be good to go. Worst case, have a smith do a throat job (or if you are handy, just watch the Wilson Combat videos on chamber mouth and feed ramp polishing work). Those nice round holes are so pretty.

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I just read the other thread about lead being smokey, and since I shoot mostly indoors I'm thinking again to use FMJ.
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I just read the other thread about lead being smokey, and since I shoot mostly indoors I'm thinking again to use FMJ.
Lead will definitely be more smokey than shooting jacketed or plated. If you shoot a magazine full of quick followups at a crowded indoor range, you may have some people staring at you a little funny. If the range has decent ventilation (most do), the smoke will be gone almost immediately (it should). If the smoke from the lube isn't gone almost immediately, I would look for another range as the lube smoke may not be harmful, but the stuff in the air from the primers is really bad for you.

If you shoot more than a few hundred rounds a week, the price difference for lead will become meaningful.
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If you shoot more than a few hundred rounds a week, the price difference for lead will become meaningful.
I do shoot a lot, so price is definitely on my mind.

Is it correct to assume that plated RN like those wouldn't be that smokey? (And price-wise they are between lead and FMJ).
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I do shoot a lot, so price is definitely on my mind.

Is it correct to assume that plated RN like those wouldn't be that smokey? (And price-wise they are between lead and FMJ).
Correct, plated will be like FMJ, in fact will be a little better as the base will be enclosed as well. CMJ's are similar to plated.

I am not a big fan of plated bullets, as I have had some inconsistent lots in the past. Many love their plated bullets, so you probably can't go wrong giving them a try.

I think Powder Valley has the best price on Berry's, but you pay shipping at PV, so unless you are buying a bunch of bullets or other stuff, direct from Berry's is probably still the best deal (or at least comparable to PV).

I think there is a group buy going on from X-treme's somewhere on Calguns, you might check that out, the prices were pretty compelling.

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I do shoot a lot, so price is definitely on my mind.

Is it correct to assume that plated RN like those wouldn't be that smokey? (And price-wise they are between lead and FMJ).
Smoke is caused by the bullet lubricant that is used on lead bullets that lack plating or jackets. The lube has wax and/or lanolin in it, which gets hot enough to cause smoke.

Jacketed or plated bullets do not cause any smoke, although some powders smoke more than others.
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Bear Creek moly coated lead bullets do not smoke. (any more than what comes from the powder)
Bare bottom lead jacketed bullets do not smoke.
Properly tumble lubed lead bullets produce a little. (very light coating of Alox)
Lead bullets with very heavy Alox coatings and lube grooved lead bullets with lube in the grooves smoke the most.
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Bear Creek moly coated lead bullets do not smoke. (any more than what comes from the powder)
I was looking for moly coated and I couldn't find them anywhere online. Are they still around?
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there's a dealer in tustin. pm me for info
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I try not to use too much Moly's (personal reasons), but a gun shop a few minutes from home stocks them. However, I do like the Moly's made by Precision Bullets.

I like the fact they they use a bullet without the groove for the lube.



AND since you mentioned it earlier, here's their 200gn SWC

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+1 on precisions. i'm a big fan and the prices are tough to beat. shipping is included in the price. i like bear creek as well, they have more flavors such as 200gr truncated 45 and 200gr rn 40...but the cost of shipping just screws everything up.
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+1 on precisions. i'm a big fan and the prices are tough to beat. shipping is included in the price. i like bear creek as well, they have more flavors such as 200gr truncated 45 and 200gr rn 40...but the cost of shipping just screws everything up.
Bear creek has free shipping on orders over $100. Last time i ordered .45 230g RN from them it was $104 for 1000, including shipping and sales tax.
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oh man that's awesome. the webstores that used to carry them always charged, and also the local dealer will charge shipping unless you pick it up. i'll have to definitely consider going direct now.
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