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Old 01-23-2012, 4:27 PM
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Default Homemade single shot pistol ???

I've seen the .22 conversions for the HK flare guns online and like the idea. I've also noticed the 80% stuff going on lately and think it's cool. What I'm wondering is if anyone has seen or heard of lets say a single shot compact pistol? What I'd like to make is a .45LC/.410 single shot pistol for a last resort type scenario. The trigger mechanism could be borrowed from something else then adapted to this.

I've seen some spare parts or lego builds but I'm looking for something a little more real. Anyone got any ideas?
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I've seen the .22 conversions for the HK flare guns online and like the idea. I've also noticed the 80% stuff going on lately and think it's cool. What I'm wondering is if anyone has seen or heard of lets say a single shot compact pistol? What I'd like to make is a .45LC/.410 single shot pistol for a last resort type scenario. The trigger mechanism could be borrowed from something else then adapted to this.

I've seen some spare parts or lego builds but I'm looking for something a little more real. Anyone got any ideas?
Might want to rethink chambering it in .410, it'd be considered a Short Barreled Shotgun if you did that.
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What you're describing would not only be a short barreled shotgun, but would most likely also be classified as a "zip gun". Unless you want to go to jail for a LONG time...I wouldn't recommend it.
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What you're describing would not only be a short barreled shotgun, but would most likely also be classified as a "zip gun". Unless you want to go to jail for a LONG time...I wouldn't recommend it.
Thanks for the info guys I knew this was the place to ask. Though it's kinda funny we can convert a firearm to single shot to get it in the state but can't make single shot. I'll look up the meaning of zip gun according to CA Law.

EDIT: of course searching just brought me back here. I can't find a legitimate definition for zip gun. I'm looking for a size requirement mainly. What makes a zip gun a zip gun and not a single shot pistol?

EDIT again: so I'm thinking more along the lines of a pistol less like a chunk of wood, some rubber bands, a pen tube and a paper clip. Any thoughts now?
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My small "single shot", coverted her within the first five min of owning;
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if you wanted a sort-of small "shot gun" you could get a Howda pistol & make your own loads
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My small "single shot", coverted her within the first five min of owning;
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if you wanted a sort-of small "shot gun" you could get a Howda pistol & make your own loads
OMG, that gun is dangerous...it says illegal in CA!

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Here's your definition of "zip gun"

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Originally Posted by California penal code section 12020
(10) As used in this section, a "zip gun" means any weapon or
device which meets all of the following criteria:
(A) It was not imported as a firearm by an importer licensed
pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of
the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(B) It was not originally designed to be a firearm by a
manufacturer licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section
921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations
issued pursuant thereto.
(C) No tax was paid on the weapon or device nor was an exemption
from paying tax on that weapon or device granted under Section 4181
and Subchapters F (commencing with Section 4216) and G (commencing
with Section 4221) of Chapter 32 of Title 26 of the United States
Code, as amended, and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(D) It is made or altered to expel a projectile by the force of an
explosion or other form of combustion.
Basically if it fires a projectile by use of fire or explosion and doesn't conform to a pre-existing firearm design and you don't have a license to manufacture firearms(07FFL) it can be classified as a zip gun. Just because it's not a hack piece of sh*t made by a tweaker doesn't mean it's legal.
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There are 80% derringer kits, that's probably the easiest way but you still have to comply with the "roster of not unsafe handguns" and make it dimensionally compliant.

I think there actually is an exemption for people who build a small number of firearms so building a gun of your own design is not necessarily always a "zip gun".

I have a plan for a break action single shot rifle that should be pretty interesting and not a "zip gun" although if it resembles anything it will be an overgrown derringer with a stock bolted on sideways.

Don't ask why I want to build something like that...
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yeah, ive had tons of ideas, including .45(extra) long colt, but the way the zip guns law is written it is hard to get past.
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I like the break barrel design it's very simple and would be easy to build. I'm curious how snake loads are legal here since it basically makes a short barreled shotgun. An oversize Derringer is what I'm thinking. Existing design criteria met.
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You might think about joining Weapons Guild. There are several projects such as this going on and after you participate a bit a good collection of plans.
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A smooth bore is what makes a shotgun, not the ammo.
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A smooth bore is what makes a shotgun, not the ammo.
Not according to California's SBS laws.
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I don't have the code in front of me but I'm pretty sure a smooth bore .22lr garden gun is considered a shotgun while a rifled .22lr shooting shot shells is not.

Once you get over .50 cal, destructive device laws might come in to it.

.45-70/.410 shotgun is one where I think the bore determines it. Otherwise how would anyone be able to sell a Circuit Judge in CA?
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Howda pistol is the way to go, BP gun so it's shipped directly to your house, make your own loads, there's guys on this forum that have them.

http://www.cabelas.com/pistols-david...h-pistol.shtml

Too expensive for me, but i'd love to have one.
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I don't have the code in front of me but I'm pretty sure a smooth bore .22lr garden gun is considered a shotgun while a rifled .22lr shooting shot shells is not.

Once you get over .50 cal, destructive device laws might come in to it.

.45-70/.410 shotgun is one where I think the bore determines it. Otherwise how would anyone be able to sell a Circuit Judge in CA?
No, it has NOTHING to do with bore diameter or rifling. Ca SBS law is very simple, if a gun is capable of chambering a shotgun shell (this does not mean a shotshell in a handgun cartridge) and it otherwise qualifies as a SBS then, it is a SBS. Ca AW laws are different in that rifling makes a difference. Federal DD laws start after .50 cal but, CA DD laws do not start until going ove .60 cal.
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Forgive my ignorance but what's DD stand for? This site needs a cipher for all the acronyms.
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it has one, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...hlight=acronym
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Can't many single action revolvers in .45 Long Colt chamber a .410 shotgun shell?
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Can't many single action revolvers in .45 Long Colt chamber a .410 shotgun shell?
very few .45LC revolvers are designed to be able to also chamber a .410 shotgun shell.
Taurus Judge and S&W Governor are the only two revolvers that I am aware of that are designed to chamber a .410 shotgun shell.
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Just curious, my dad had a cheapy little derringer that could shoot both back in the day.
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Just curious, my dad had a cheapy little derringer that could shoot both back in the day.
thats different. many single-shot handguns (including multi-barrel derringers) could chamber .410 shotgun shells, but the length of a .410 shell is too long to fit in most .45LC revolvers.
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