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Old 01-17-2012, 7:22 PM
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I am starting this thread because I am thinking about getting my safety certificate and going out on a hog hunt with one of my buddies. The two center fire rifles I have are the Mauser98k and the M1 Garand. I am wondering what would be recommended. Honestly, I have thought of pluses for both of them; the Mauser would allow me to shoot heavier loads, the sights would be easier to adjust in the field, and it is a little lighter, but the m1 has the advantage of faster target acquisition, higher round capacity, and a faster rate of fire. These are both iron sights rifles too. I would also like to know what ammo would be recommended for boar; remember I have 30-06 and 8mm to work with here. Any information is helpful.
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I'd recommend the garand, especially for quick follow up shots. You might want to consider a pistol to back up the rifle.
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which ever one you shoot better. the first shot is the one that counts.
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Since you will be carrying the rifle more than you will be ever shooting it, the Mauser.
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Since you will be carrying the rifle more than you will be ever shooting it, the Mauser.
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Mauser is not picky on ammo & it is cheaper of the two.
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...the Mauser would allow me to shoot heavier loads, the sights would be easier to adjust in the field, and it is a little lighter, but the m1 has the advantage of faster target acquisition, higher round capacity, and a faster rate of fire. These are both iron sights rifles too. I would also like to know what ammo would be recommended for boar; remember I have 30-06 and 8mm to work with here.
Most of my big game hunting was done with either an 8x57 Mauser or a 7x57 Mauser. Mauser Model 98 rifles are durable, dependable in a pinch, simple to operate under pressure, and make a great hunting rifle. I must admit though that I sold my Mauser collection and traded them in for double barrel rifles (because I like having a follow-up shot instantly available if I need it).

An M1 Garand is a splendid rifle and definitely served America very well in two wars (WWII and Korea) and was fielded by an untold number of American servicemen. That being said though, the M1 Garand is a better combat rifle than a hunting rifle. With the Mauser, you'll be able to load hotter, faster, heavier-hitting loads, which you won't be able to do with the M1 Garand. For hunting purposes, I would definitely recommend the Mauser over the M1 Garand. But, what it really boils down to is which rifle can you personally use with more confidence and accurately hit what you're aiming at reliably? Figure that out for yourself. Practice makes perfect.

Boar are my favorite game animal. Boar hunting is challenging. For boar hunting, you need a good, reliable rifle you can depend on. Both the Mauser and the M1 Garand will do their part if called upon. The rest is up to you. Good luck.

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1911ShooterPhil, there is no 5 round max for rifles in california while hunting. Please read the regs before you confuse the FNG's.

Back on topic. The Mauser will be easier to carry around all day. I've killed a couple hogs with a VZ24, (before the condor zone nonsense) and the 8mm will do the trick. Lead free 30-06 is easier to find on the shelf, with much more options. Personally, I hunt with bolt guns. If you need a semi-auto, maybe more range time is in order (not directed at the OP, just a generalization)

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i have a 6.5x55 Mauser and it works quite well on pigs and deer as well.
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I'm the potential hunting buddy here.


None of us have never hunted, so is there a n00b hog hunting in the hills and canyons of the East Bay sticky thread we can read up on?



I'm thinking of bringing my 91/30. I won't cry if I mess it up/scratch it, and my action is slick. So that's that.
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well, considering you aren't supposed to shoot most new factory loaded 30-06 through a garand, i would recommend the mauser.
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I'm the potential hunting buddy here.


None of us have never hunted, so is there a n00b hog hunting in the hills and canyons of the East Bay sticky thread we can read up on?



I'm thinking of bringing my 91/30. I won't cry if I mess it up/scratch it, and my action is slick. So that's that.
If you're hunting in the condor zone make sure you have some lead free ammo. I believe there is a company out there selling lead free 7.62x54r. It's not cheap, but it's not like you're hunting squirrels.


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1911ShooterPhil, there is no 5 round max for rifles in california while hunting. Please read the regs before you confuse the FNG's.

Back on topic. The Mauser will be easier to carry around all day. I've killed a couple hogs with a VZ24, (before the condor zone nonsense) and the 8mm will do the trick. Lead free 30-06 is easier to find on the shelf, with much more options. Personally, I hunt with bolt guns. If you need a semi-auto, maybe more range time is in order (not directed at the OP, just a generalization)
It's not that we cant hit **** and need a semi, but the OP and myself were thinking what happens if a boar charges, you know?

This is the only rationale for considering the M-1.

The other thing I thought of was bringing a shotgun with 3" magnum buckshot or slugs in case a hog gets too close.

We do want to hunt and then eat the animal. I feel like this is an important experience about life. In the past, I hadn't cared too much about hunting, but it's starting to sound more significant to me as time passes.
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If you're hunting in the condor zone make sure you have some lead free ammo. I believe there is a company out there selling lead free 7.62x54r. It's not cheap, but it's not like you're hunting squirrels.


I'll be honest, I still don't know the area all too well.

In the bay area, can hogs be hunted on the SF peninsula too, or only the East bay?

Thank you for the map, Kerplow, that really clears up the lead thing. I'm on the "good" side of the yellow line!
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It's not that we cant hit **** and need a semi, but the OP and myself were thinking what happens if a boar charges, you know?

This is the only rationale for considering the M-1.

The other thing I thought of was bringing a shotgun with 3" magnum buckshot or slugs in case a hog gets too close.

We do want to hunt and then eat the animal. I feel like this is an important experience about life. In the past, I hadn't cared too much about hunting, but it's starting to sound more significant to me as time passes.
You can CCW while hunting, or OC. That should cover any crazy man eaters you may encounter.

honestly, though, I'd be more worried about stumbling on a grow than getting charged by a boar.
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I'm not 21, so I don't own a handgun. Can I legally borrow one for the hunt?
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If you're hunting in the condor zone make sure you have some lead free ammo. I believe there is a company out there selling lead free 7.62x54r. It's not cheap, but it's not like you're hunting squirrels.


http://www.customcartridge.com/

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/cat...roducts_id=418

These guys have lead free 54R for you mosin. Also Ammo Bros will usually have their own TSX rounds that they sell as their own. DON'T get the TTSX rounds for your mosin. Barnes does not make .310 TTSX bullets. the Double tap TTSX rounds they sell are .308. expensive mistake on my part, and accuracy was terrible.

BTW guys, the lead free zone is inside the yellow lines. From what you describe you would be north of the zone

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Yeah, I'm clear of the line. OP isn't but he's planning on coming up here anyway, so no issue.

I'm thinking the PPU soft points in x54R, what do you guys think?

Also, what is easier to hunt, deer or hog?

And does hunting mean sitting in the same spot for 12 hrs until an animal walks by, or what?
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Yeah, I'm clear of the line. OP isn't but he's planning on coming up here anyway, so no issue.

I'm thinking the PPU soft points in x54R, what do you guys think?

Also, what is easier to hunt, deer or hog?

And does hunting mean sitting in the same spot for 12 hrs until an animal walks by, or what?
I'm no expert, but hunting big game doesn't typically involve finding a random spot and waiting to get lucky. you have to learn about your quarry and what they like and how to tell where they've been and where they are going. It's called scouting.
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As much as I like Garands, I'd go with the Mauser. It's lighter and might be a "tad" more accurate.
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The Mauser is a hunting rifle, the Garand is not.

Don't need a semi-auto to hunt pigs, cycling a bolt handle is a quick action.

Most hunting ammo can not be used in a Garand.
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Well I harvested a 200 # boar a while back with a 8 x 57JS 98K. Even though I reload, I used factory Sellier & Bellot SPCE 196 gr. soft point ammo. Only had to fire once. With the 23 plus inch barrel it's not exactly the ideal brush gun, but it worked fine. My experience is the S & B ammo has a bit more giddy-up than PPU ammo. I've shot both through a chrono.

If you're worried about a charging boar get a bayonet ( though probably not legal for pursuit, it's certainly a self defense tool ).
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Mauser since you will be doing more carrying than shooting. A 1lb difference seems like about 40 after a few hours. Don't worry about hogs charging, it happens much less than people post about it.

Yes Fjold killed that buffalo and a ton of other stuff in Africa.

8mm is a great round along with it's little brother the 7mm. My father smoked his buck this year with a 7mm.

As far as which is harder to hunt deer or boar. If there aren't any boar in the area your in it would be boar, but realistically deer are more difficult imo given all the variables. Actually pig are easier if your a newer hunter since they don't see well. Just keep the wind in your face.
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It's also a favorite illegal gardener's firearm. I don't think I'ld take one hunting on public land where I might be mistaken for someone other than a hunter. That's just my self preservation instincts telling me that.
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An M1 Garand is a splendid rifle and definitely served America very well in two wars (WWII and Korea) and was fielded by an untold number of American servicemen. That being said though, the M1 Garand is a better combat rifle than a hunting rifle. The higher magazine count won't matter much because in CA you can only load 5 rounds while hunting. With the Mauser, you'll be able to load hotter, faster, heavier-hitting loads, which you won't be able to do with the M1 Garand. For hunting purposes, I would definitely recommend the Mauser over the M1 Garand. But, what it really boils down to is which rifle can you personally use with more confidence and accurately hit what you're aiming at reliably? Figure that out for yourself. Practice makes perfect.
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DFG does not limit capacity for rifles/pistols. If it is legal to own in CA, then it is legal to hunt with.
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I'd go with the mauser. Lighter weight, semi auto not needed if you make the 1st shot count. Pigs are not going to charge you. Dont bother taking a shotgun for protection either. More weight you dont need to carry. You cannot use Buckshot legally on pigs either.
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It's also a favorite illegal gardener's firearm. I don't think I'ld take one hunting on public land where I might be mistaken for someone other than a hunter. That's just my self preservation instincts telling me that.
Plus most hunters prefer using a rifle can can shoot better than 5 moa....and that's on a bench.
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Sure, I just posted on your FB wall. We can keep talking there.

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I went hog hunting in your neck of the woods once - with an M1A, and hiked all over gods creation and found nothing. Either the M1 or the K98 will be great. The only problem with the M1 thou is weight, and when hiking all over the place in hot weather it sucked.
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You wont typically get any bacon from a wild pig. They are too lean
So what do you get?
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You wont typically get any bacon from a wild pig. They are too lean
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So what do you get?
True. Although my buddy just killed a sow that had been gorging on acorns that had some of the thickest layers of fat I've seen on a wild hog. He hypothetically could of made some bacon from those flaps, but he didn't.

They are on average, lean enough that I had to add fat from the butcher when I made my own sausage to get the right textrure to come out of the grinder.

If you get one, you will get roasts, ribs, backstraps, tenderloins, shanks, and scraps for sausage. You can make hams from the back legs by having them smoked, or do it yourself. I have some really good recipes for sweet and sour, bbq, chili, etc... I will pass on to you if you fill a tag. good luck!
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There are other things to consider besides your choice of rifle:

(I use my 6.8 AR or .308 bolt for deer/hog/boar with a 44mag on my hip - But that's just my preference...)

1) Stalking vs sitting: Again your choice - But the most difficult (fun) prey knows to lay still until after dark. These are the trophy kills because they live the longest and pack on the most meat. Finding a ridge and working your way to the bottom will flush them out - But you've got to ready to take a shot at ALL times. And be sure you don't fall/trip and break an ankle.

2) Now what: You've shot your 250lb boar. Are you going to skin it and dress it yourself? How are you going to get the boar/meat back to your vehicle?
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So what do you get?
Tenderloin and lots of sausage making meat. If it has a good fat layer you can slow cook shoulder butts for pulled pork.

A couple whole hogs in the 120 to 160 pound range are great for an underground roast. Cut it in half with a sawzall down the length of the spine, stuff it with 10 pounds fruit, 10 pounds onions and 3 to 5 pounds garlic, roll up in yards of foil. Dig a trench with a backhoe, load with a cord or better of hardwood & torch it off. Cover coals with dirt, then chicken wire and then burlap. Lay foil wrapped hogs on burlap then layer in reverse light another fire on top out of faster burning soft woods.....Cooking time about 12 to 16 hours. If you want to see it done...Attend the Redwood Coast VFD Memorial Day Lamb and Pig BBQ. They usually do between 9 and 16 hogs.

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