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Old 01-15-2012, 6:08 PM
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Default Who makes the best AR-15 Piston Conversion kit?

I am wanting to convert my recently built AR from gas tube to piston driven. I have done a bunch of research and am leaning towards the Adams Arms kit based on feedback from users, but there are so many others out there (Osprey Defense, CMMG, etc.). Does anyone know who makes the best kit?
Also, I have a Precision Reflex forearm that I am quite fond of. Do you think that the conversion kit will fit with the PR forearm? Last question: Osprey Defense (gaspiston.com) sells a kit without a gas block. I have a JP adjustable gas blosk installed now. Would the JP gas block work with the Osprey setup (meaning would I have adjustment to avoid shooting brass into the guy next to me's face? Any help/input is GREATLY appreciated!
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I have read the same thing. Adams Arms seems to be the best drop in kit.
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I have read the same thing. Adams Arms seems to be the best drop in kit.
Thanks DH, much appreciated!
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No problem. I picked up the "lite kit" more for kicks and to see if they work. Installing tomorrow and going to try to get to the range before this weekend. I will post more info once I have it in and running.
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Funny thing, I was looking at the Osprey Defense site and they say that their kit is not for sale in CA? What? I cannot imagine why CA would not allow a piston conversion (then again it is practically illegal to say the word "GUN" in this armpit of a state).
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Funny thing, I was looking at the Osprey Defense site and they say that their kit is not for sale in CA? What? I cannot imagine why CA would not allow a piston conversion (then again it is practically illegal to say the word "GUN" in this armpit of a state).
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Osprey Defense has a special CA version (its only difference is a semi-auto bolt carrier, I guess they feel full auto bolt carriers are not legal in CA for some reason)
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Osprey Defense has a special CA version (its only difference is a semi-auto bolt carrier, I guess they feel full auto bolt carriers are not legal in CA for some reason)
Gotcha. Now it kinda makes sense.
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Gotcha. Now it kinda makes sense.
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I bought mine online early last year, but never tried it out.
I forgot the website but I got it for only $260 shipped, try a google search online.
Also, I got the Full auto bolt carrier heheheh (packaging even said Do Not Ship To CA)
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I bought mine online early last year, but never tried it out.
I forgot the website but I got it for only $260 shipped, try a google search online.
Also, I got the Full auto bolt carrier heheheh (packaging even said Do Not Ship To CA)
Thanks, I have done some searching an found a good price on the Adams kit. That is pretty funny that you got the kit saying "do not ship to Norther Mexcico, er, uh, CA".
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Have you looked into Addax Tactical. They are out of San Fernando. Really great group of people there. I had them work on my AR for me and they did a great job.
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Thanks, I have done some searching an found a good price on the Adams kit. That is pretty funny that you got the kit saying "do not ship to Norther Mexcico, er, uh, CA".
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Yeah I was cracking up myself! Goodluck on your piston kit!
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Have you looked into Addax Tactical. They are out of San Fernando. Really great group of people there. I had them work on my AR for me and they did a great job.
No, I have not checked them out, but will now. Thanks for the info.
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Black rifle arms also has a piston kit with a unique anti tilt buffer on the bcg.
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Have you looked into Addax Tactical. They are out of San Fernando. Really great group of people there. I had them work on my AR for me and they did a great job.
+1 to Addax. They did a killer job on an upper for me.
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Addax Tactical manufactures their own stuff. Very helpfull with me when I was getting my upper done. For sure look them up.
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Thanks for all of the replies guys. I checked out the Addax site but can only find upper assemblies and no piston conversion kits. Am I missing something?
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Thanks for all of the replies guys. I checked out the Addax site but can only find upper assemblies and no piston conversion kits. Am I missing something?
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Hello,

We only offer complete AR Piston Uppers, we do not have a Conversion/Retrofit kit.

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http://blackriflearms.com/

These guys seems pretty good so far, had their upper for about a half a year now and really like it for its ease to break down and clean, also gotta take note on their bolt carrier group that has a polymer backing which prevent carrier tilt. shop around, but in all reality piston ar are still new, so the best is yet to come.

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We only offer complete AR Piston Uppers, we do not have a Conversion/Retrofit kit.

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Thanks SenorPun. I checked out Black Rifle Arms and they require you to send your upper in to them so they can do the install. I am still trying to figure out if any of these kits will fit with my JP Modular Hand Guard, but everyone is closed today (can't get anyone on the telephone).
Thanks again for all the help guys, much appreciated. Keep the suggestions coming!
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Installed the Adams kit just now. Easy install everything fits great. Hoping to test fire tomorrow if I can get out to the range.
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Darqhelmet: Did you use the hand guard that came with the kit or another one?
I am really Jonesing to get one of these systems but would love to find one that works with my JP Modular hand guard. BTW thanks for the feedback.
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I have a DD omega 7.0. Didn't even have to remove it for the install.
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Thanks again DQ. Man that looks somewhat close, but the DD looks like it has sme extra room a the top under the rail. I have looked at the pics/videos for a lot of makers and it looks like there is not going to be a whole lot of room for the piston assembly. HMMMMM...
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CDNN sports have the adams arms conversion kits for 169$ i bought one a couple of years ago its never had a problem, great price.
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Check Adams site they list the handguards and rails that work with the system.
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CDNN sports have the adams arms conversion kits for 169$ i bought one a couple of years ago its never had a problem, great price.

Thanks AR Silva. That is an unreal price! I was wondering why it was less than half the price than any other site that I looked at, but then I realized from their pic of included parts on THIS page that it does not include a new carrier. They include a carrier key so that you can change out the carrier key and use the existing carrier. Still a great deal, but I like the idea of being able to change systems back fairly quickly. But for the $100+ that you save... hmmmm.
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Thanks again DQ. Man that looks somewhat close, but the DD looks like it has sme extra room a the top under the rail. I have looked at the pics/videos for a lot of makers and it looks like there is not going to be a whole lot of room for the piston assembly. HMMMMM...
Are you trying to fit just the piston rod underneath the rail, or are you trying to find a piston system that will fit with the gas block underneath the rail as well? The latter will be a much taller order. I have the Adams Arms gas block under my rail (carbine gas system with Midlength rail), but my rail is specifically made to go over top of the standard carbine Adams Arms piston gas block (not the low profile one)....the fit is perfect and the rail just clears the gas block:



This setup is much like the POF rail though, having it raise all the optics and whatnot by about 1/4". This may affect your cheek weld and you might not like it. Doesnt bother me at all, however.
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Are you trying to fit just the piston rod underneath the rail, or are you trying to find a piston system that will fit with the gas block underneath the rail as well? The latter will be a much taller order. I have the Adams Arms gas block under my rail (carbine gas system with Midlength rail), but my rail is specifically made to go over top of the standard carbine Adams Arms piston gas block (not the low profile one)....the fit is perfect and the rail just clears the gas block:



This setup is much like the POF rail though, having it raise all the optics and whatnot by about 1/4". This may affect your cheek weld and you might not like it. Doesnt bother me at all, however.
Gotcha. I don't mind using another gas block (as long as it lines up with my exising top rail), I am just looking for the piston linkage to clear the hand guard. As it is now with the JP gas block and hand guard the gas tube clears the underside of the hand guard by about 1/8".



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BTW, finally figured out why none of the manufacturers are answering the phones, returning call or emails. Shot Show is this week in Vegas!
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I think I understand...

Only having the OpRod underneath the rail will give you many more rail options, for sure. But when you say, "I don't mind using another gas block (as long as it lines up with my exising top rail)", do you mean that you need the gas block to have a rail that lines up with the rail on your JP? Because your current gas block does not do this....it is lower than the rail on your handguard.

The standard Adams Arms gas block has a rail height that is the same as a milspec upper receiver (which is also the same as the free float rails), therefore this would accomplish what you're looking for. But having said that, I'm pretty sure that the piston OpRod will NOT fit under the JP free-float handguard, so that tosses either the Adams Arms piston or your current handguard out the window.

Unless you do some serious modifications to the rail, I dont think you're gonna get what you want....might not even be possible with your current handguard. The lowest clearing piston kit that i know of is the Osprey. Here is a diagram of the measurements for the clearance needed:

http://174.120.247.60/~osprey/wp-con...tion-Views.pdf

You need to look for: Piston clearance of the underside of the top of the rail, large enough hole in the JP barrel nut to fit the OpRod through, and the width of the Osprey "muffler" portion to make sure that it will not rub against the roof of the rail.

Best of luck! Personally, I love the piston operated AR15's and would trade my non-fitting handguard in EVERY TIME for one that would work with a piston system. I love my Adams system and have never had a hiccup either. eats any and all ammo i've thrown at it without skipping a beat.
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Thanks GL1! Man that helps A LOT! I have been looking for a drawing like that or some clearance measurement, but have been unable to find them. The Osprey site (gaspiston.com) is pretty messed up. I emailed them, but have had no response, again probably because of Shot Show.
You are right, my gas block does not have a rail on it. I kept thinking it did because I mounted some flip-up sites as back up and thought I had mounted the front site on the gas block, but then I remembered that I opted for an adjustable gas block instead. DUH.
Anyway, I had been looking at the Osprey because it looked like the lowest profile setup. I will check my rifle and see if I have the .90 that it looks like I will need for clearance. Thanks again for the info, I REALLY appreciate it!
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Well, I measured the clearance and get .861. What a bummer! So close to that .900. There has got to be some tweaking that you could do to get the needed clearance.
Too bad that the other piston conversion companies don't have a thechnical drawing like the Osprey (maybe they do but I sure can't find it).
Back to the drawing board!
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I got an email reply from Joseph Scimeca @ Osprey Defense about the handguard issue. His answer was short, but sweet (probably super busy just getting back from Shot Show). Here is what he had to say:
"Free float tubes need to have an ID of 1.78”."
I measured the ID of my JP handguard with some digital calipers and mine measures 1.74" (DOH!). So I ordered the Osprey kit and am going to try to take some material off the inside of my handguard with my Foredom Tool to make room. I will let you know how it turns out.
One other point of interest that has been brought up on this board:
The Osprey Kit is shipped with stickers that say "Not for sale in CA". This is because the carrier is a fully auto carrier. Aparently Osprey used to make a kit for CA use that was semi auto only. I have heard from a distributor that they no longer make this kit and that the full-auto carrier is legal in CA (as long as the rifle is CA legal (Bullet Button, etc.)). I checked this myself by going to the Osprey site and checking out the CA Piston Kit. Below the kit there is an "Purchase Online" button, but when I selected the button a page was displayed stating "Sorry! Did Not Locate Any Products". So I guess that they do not make the "CA" model anymore and this was probably just a legal effort to cover themselves.
Anyway, my kit is already on its way (Thanks XTREME GUNS & AMMO) and will post feedback when I can.
Thanks again to EVERYONE who helped me out with this. I hope that I was able to provide a sliver of useful info as well.
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i have the Adams kit on my M&P15, couldn't be happier. first time i've installed one and i did it on my lunch break @ work, and it worked 100% right outta the box, first shot. i was impressed, i was thinking id have to play around with the 3 settings, but no, literally bolted on and ready to go
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i have the Adams kit on my M&P15, couldn't be happier. first time i've installed one and i did it on my lunch break @ work, and it worked 100% right outta the box, first shot. i was impressed, i was thinking id have to play around with the 3 settings, but no, literally bolted on and ready to go
Thanks Wallace. The Adams kit looks AWESOME. I was trying to go for the lowest profile kit I could get so that I could keep my existing handguard. I have heard nothing but good about the Adams kit. Looking at Brownells (and other sellers) the Osprey kit looks pretty solid also.
Thanks again,
Ken
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