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Old 01-03-2013, 8:55 PM
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Question Some reloading questions!

Hey all--

Just got my Hornady LNL in :-)

I have a handful of questions, if that's ok with you all.

I am going to be reloading .223, .308, and 40SW

1) I just purchased a Thumber Model B Tumbler + SS... If I'm doing that, what is the "order" to tumbling with it? People say that it is better to deprime THEN tumble with the SS...

Don't I need to clean it ahead of time?

Can I use a vibratory tumbler + walnut media to clean it?

AKA: Walnut + vibratory >> Deprime/size >> SS Tumble

Or do you suggest something else?

If I do the above, is it ok for it to have dust on it from the walnut?

2) Is it better to use a "neck sizing" die or a "full sizing die"? I have once fired brass (not shot in my rifle). This is related to my 223 loads. What about if I had shot it in my rifle?

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No need to tumble twice unless your trying to remove lube, which wouldnt really be a problem in your case since your gonna want to deprime before you tumble. I would decap first before SS tumbling so you can get nice and shiny primer pockets. The beauty of SS media is it gets in the flash hole and makes the brass as good as new. I cant think of any reason to use both vibratory and SS.

Neck sizing is typically used for bolt guns, since autoloaders tend to bulge the case a bit more. If your shooting out of an AR you should probably full length resize every time.
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Dark Mod covered it.

Deprime when SS tumble. No need to do it twice.

Neck sizing for bolt guns (I use a neck sizer and manderel by Lee). FL sizing for semi-auto (Dillon). Don't forget to trim, too.
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Dark Mod covered it.

Deprime when SS tumble. No need to do it twice.

Neck sizing for bolt guns (I use a neck sizer and manderel by Lee). FL sizing for semi-auto (Dillon). Don't forget to trim, too.
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Wait--

So I just take the dirty cases, lube them, deprime/size, then SS tumble?

Isn't that bad for the die?
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Wait--

So I just take the dirty cases, lube them, deprime/size, then SS tumble?

Isn't that bad for the die?
No need to lube, get a universal depriming die. Don't use your sizing die.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/136...-decapping-die
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So I would need to put that in my LNL, decap, take them out, then do it all over again after cleaning to actually load the bullets?
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That depends on how clean you want the primer pockets. If you're loading highly accurate match ammo, yes, deprime then tumble. If you're loading plinking or basic range ammo, tumble first, then resize, prime and load away.
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Is there a "hand deprimer" tool out there?
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no, usually reloaders buy a single stage press and just put their siz deprime die on it, resize and deprime and THEN they put in the ss media and tumble away, OR yuo can just deprime and size on the first stage on your LNL good luck
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IIRC, if the brass is not fired out of your gun, you should full length resize even for bolt guns. Once fired in your gun, it will be fire formed for your chamber. Then neck resize if using it in only that gun.

You could also get a primer pocket cleaning tool for fairly cheap. So tumble, resize/deprime, and then clean the primer pocket with the tool.
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IIRC, if the brass is not fired out of your gun, you should full length resize even for bolt guns. Once fired in your gun, it will be fire formed for your chamber. Then neck resize if using it in only that gun.
ONLY if you're shooting that ammo out of a bolt gun. A semi-auto will need to be full-length sized or you'll run into issues chambering rounds.
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So I would need to put that in my LNL, decap, take them out, then do it all over again after cleaning to actually load the bullets?
Buy 2 (or more) tool heads. Many reloaders use multiple toolheads to get it done. You will have to lube, resize, and tumble (again) any bottleneck cases before loading them anyway.

Here is the process:

Phase 1:
1. Deprime
2. SS tumble/clean

Phase 2:
1. Lube THEN FL resize brass
2. If you have ALREADY fired brass in your bolt gun, neck size only
3. Trim, chamfer, deburr
4. Tumble again to clean lube

Phase 3:
1. Prime
2. Powder
3. Seat bullet
4. Crimp (Many say it is not necessary, many don't crimp. I don't crimp.)
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Holy cow, I like it when people spend YOUR money!

Once again, overthinking.

for pistol brass (no neck):

Tumble/clean
Deprime/resize
powder/prime
bullet seat
crimp if you desire

Rifle brass:

tumble/clean
lube
decap/fl resize
trim to spec
chamfer/debur if desired
neck size (if not already done)
powder/prime
bullet seat
crimp
spray and wipe brass with rubbing alcohol OR put loaded ammo into tumbler and tumble the lube off for about 30-45 mins. AND NO, I'VE TUMBLED THOUSANDS OF ROUNDS AND NEVER HAD A ND, NOR HAS IT RUINED THE POWDER INSIDE THE LIVE ROUND.

Unless you're planning on killing the next terrorist from 2 miles away, CLEANING THE PRIMER POCKET IS A ABSOLUTE COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.
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Do a search for raymondmillbrae's video post about processing brass. Very simple and easy to follow instructions. Also read ar15barrel's processing brass in bulk tutorial.
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By all means, if the extra process is giving you heartburn, just leave the primers in and tumble before resize/deprime etc...

you can just run tumbled brass through your press and end up with finished ammo, but youll probably want to tumble again anyway to get the lube off. Even if your using carbide sizing dies its still good practice to use a little lube.

Again its not necessary, the process is fairly flexible and depending on what you want out of your ammo you can cut down the process for speed.
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Pretty much what bootcamp said.

Pistol I clean/tumble, lube if necessary, size/deprime, prime/charge, seat, crimp if necessary, clean off finished rounds.

Rifle I clean/tumble, lube, size/deprime, trim if necessary followed by chamfer/debur, prime/charge, seat, crimp if necessary, clean off finished rounds.

I full length size rifle, setting the shoulder back a couple thousandths for bolt actions and at least twice that for semi-auto. I don't clean primer pockets on pistol and rarely on rifle.

To clean finished rounds I lay them out on large linen towel and spray down with some brake-clean. Then I pick up the ends of the towel and roll them around a little bit. I use Imperial wax and brake-clean seems to remove it on contact with very little effort.

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No need to tumble twice unless your trying to remove lube, which wouldnt really be a problem in your case since your gonna want to deprime before you tumble. I would decap first before SS tumbling so you can get nice and shiny primer pockets. The beauty of SS media is it gets in the flash hole and makes the brass as good as new. I cant think of any reason to use both vibratory and SS.

Neck sizing is typically used for bolt guns, since autoloaders tend to bulge the case a bit more. If your shooting out of an AR you should probably full length resize every time.
I can. When you clean with SS pins the brass looks FABULOUS right out of the bath but then it will dull and tarnish and not look as pretty as the vibrated brass. So for folks that LIKE their brass shiny it might be a good idea to get a vibrator to toss your completed rounds in for a bit to shiny them up. THAT is the only reason why I was going to buy a vibrator, I wanted my brass to be nice and shiny to match my bullets that are nice and shiny. BUT, As it turns out I might decap, dump in the ss pins and water and then lube and resize and then put walnut or rice media into the thumler and tumble that for a bit instead. So far it is looking nice. You can run dry media inside your rotary and there is no dust or what not and anyways, I am working on some new things now so hopefully I will have some more ideas for folks in the next week or two...
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