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Old 12-25-2011, 9:55 AM
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Default Federal Bulk vs. Blazer vs. Minimags vs. ?

Why is the Federal bulk (walmart) so cheap? I got a 50-round pack for about $2, just to test it out. It was FTF and stovepipes every round... Marlin 795. Yeah, every gun likes a different round, but still, that was bad.

I had a 525 box of Blazer and a 100 of Minimags and those shot great, no problems.

What's the cheapest place to get Blazer and Minimags? I also want to maybe try out the Remington Gold (Walmart) and Winchester stuff, but I haven't been able to find the latter easily and inexpensively...
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Old 12-25-2011, 10:57 AM
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I have had the same problem with Federal bulk from walmart in 5 different rifles and 2 pistols, one of those rifles is a 795 also. Not ad bad as you are saying but 1 bad round out of every 10 or 15. All I buy is Blazer now, much cleaner on your hands and in your gun and only 1 or 2 ftf in 500 or so.

Look for sales, Big 5 had the 500 rnd bricks (10 50 rnd boxes in a brick) for $16 about 3 weeks ago, I got 8 bricks and a rain check for 6 more. Gun shows have had then cheap also, about $15 per 525 rnd box. There was a thread about 2 months ago on this same subject and there were some people that found the same prices on mail order including shipping if you get a few boxes at a time.
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Well you can't compare any bulk .22 to Minimags, minimags are easily the best .22 that aren't match rounds. Problems with .22 ammo brands probably depend on the batch you end up getting and what your rifle likes. I feel I've gotten lucky this month. I've had no problem with Federal, Blazer, or even Remington Gold (shocker) out of a 10/22.

This month only (I'm sure there are people here who shoot way more):

3 bricks of Remington Gold ran perfectly except they leave some lingering smoke.

4 bricks of Blazer, had less than 10 FTF total.

6 bricks of Federal (wal-mart), 1 FTF total.

1500 mini-mags, flawless as always.


If you find your rifle likes Blazer, then feed it that. Luckily rimfire is so cheap you can test many different brands and bullets until you find what you like. And since bulk packs are usually priced around the same it doesn't force you to choose price vs function.

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Federal bulk and all bulk ammo is just that BULK. It's made to be cheap, excuse me, economical and provide decent, not perfect performance. Your results will change from gun to gun. CCI mini-mags equate to almost $35.00 a brick in comparison. I like the bulk for can shooting and steel knockovers. Don't trust your life or your next meal to the bulk.
Search and search some more because prices keep changing and so do deals on .22 LR.
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Here you guys go. Merry Christmas!

Blazer 5000 rounds for $164.99 shipped

https://www.shopdunns.com/products/2...r_5000rd_case/
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Old 12-25-2011, 3:22 PM
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Here you guys go. Merry Christmas!

Blazer 5000 rounds for $164.99 shipped

https://www.shopdunns.com/products/2...r_5000rd_case/
Palmetto has bulk (525) for $15/box.

Is there a difference between the 525 bulk boxes vs. packaged ones?

http://palmettostatearmory.com/1106.php
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Palmetto has bulk (525) for $15/box.

Is there a difference between the 525 bulk boxes vs. packaged ones?

http://palmettostatearmory.com/1106.php
I shot a few hundred of each today and if there is a difference I can't tell
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Nope same stuff just the packaging. The 525 is lose in the box the 500 is packaged 10 50 round boxes.

I like the 525 lose better as I don't have a need for them broken into 50 round lots.
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plinking ammo vs a high quality hunting ammo. Some times you get what you pay for! I have a rifle that puts certain ammo in one hole at 50 yards [bench rested] and a 2 inch group with others.
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You never know with .22LR. My AR (Spikes dedicated on a Calguns JD lower) LOVES federal bulk and american eagle but won't go through ten rounds of CCI minimags or Tactical without having 2 or 3 nose up FTFs. My 10/22 runs everything well except Blazers (too many FTE/ Fail to Fire per box of 500). So far; my Sig 522 has digested EVERYTHING.

My neighbor's MP15-22 shot Remington Golden and Federal 525 into a half dollar size group at 25 yards while Minimags tore a ragged hole at the same distance, on Xmas eve.
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Unfortunately when Federal 525 Bulk at Wally World was about it for plinking 22LR, I bought 5-6 boxes. Trying to stretch out the 5K of Aquila Gold Eagle I bought from the CMP for my boys, no point in target ammo when shooting at cans in a meadow. MANY FTF issues, even with putting the failed rounds in another firearm. I switched to the Wincester 333 and 525 as soon as they became available, and they work GREAT.

The Remington and Federal are on my permanent do-not-buy list. If your firearm won't function with CCI MiniMags, it's broken.

After all the grief we had, my boys try to sneak the 10/22 target rifle and the Wolf Match Target magazines.....they know what groups best....

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Old 12-25-2011, 6:19 PM
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I had good luck with Blazer bulk pack. If you wait for the Vallejo gun show, miwall was selling them for $14.95/525.
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I love Minimags. I did buy some Winchester hollow points at Walmart that come in a little wood box. Haven't tried them yet though.
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Palmetto has bulk (525) for $15/box.

Is there a difference between the 525 bulk boxes vs. packaged ones?

http://palmettostatearmory.com/1106.php
There shouldn't be, but i've had way fewer problems with the 500 rd. bricks than with the loose pack. Could be the loose stuff gets a little beat up bouncing around in the range bag and my 795 is just picky about it.
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My .22 experience sare far less than yours/ Federal Bulk works great in my AR15 conversion/ When it was brand new I could not get it to fed minimags/ The'yd bend in the middle coming up the steep ramp/ My dad called friend and he said to brake it in with Federal because they brass is a bit thicker

Since it brokein the conversion now feeds Remington and CCI alot better/
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My 9 yo and I shoot both Federal bulk (blue boxes with 550 rounds) as well as Blazer bulk through an M&P15-22 and a GSG 1911-22. No issues with either. The M&P has been rock solid from Day One with this ammo. Based on feedback from others, we started off the 1911 with 200 Mini-Mags with the assumption that it would help break in the gun. Whether it helped or not, I don't know, but it shoots pretty much anything just fine now.

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Federal 550's are pretty much all my M&P will cycle. Not sure about any other Federals
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There shouldn't be, but i've had way fewer problems with the 500 rd. bricks than with the loose pack. Could be the loose stuff gets a little beat up bouncing around in the range bag and my 795 is just picky about it.
I second that - loose bulk ammo being distributed on shipping trucks gets banged up a lot more than the individual 50 round box that are also packed in plastic dividers. The 500 pack CCI Blazers look a lot better than the bulk Federal or Remingtons.

Weird but my CMMG 22LR upper shoots the ill-reputable Remington Golden bullets better than the Federal or CCIs. Much tighter groupings at 50yds....

I do agree the extra cost for CCIs = high quality ammo. They are a between the bulk stuff and match ammo.

Like everyone says every rifle is different so shoot all the brands and pick the one that works best....
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Last batch of CCI Blazer I got from Dunns. I think that I'll be getting the 525 boxes from PSA just because I dump my bulk ammo into tupperware and the 525's have less packaging material. This is the ammo that I use the most because it is the cheapest and most reliably cycling stuff (for the price) that I can find. Best bang for buck.

I've had good experiences with the Federal stuff as well. I guess the blue box and Wal Mart red box stuff is the same, but haven't had any issues feeding or cycling these either. Seems like none of my 22's are picky about bulk ammo.
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My ruger 10/22 has shot everything I've tried in it. I usually buy the 525 round boxes of Blazer or Federal. Very few ftf.
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I've only ever shot Federal Bulk in my 10/22. I get maybe less than 10 failures a box, mostly FTE, maybe 1 FTF.
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Palmetto has bulk (525) for $15/box.

Is there a difference between the 525 bulk boxes vs. packaged ones?

http://palmettostatearmory.com/1106.php
That's a good price, but the shipping is $5/box ! That brings it right up there with my local brick and mortar (Turner's) including tax, and I'll get it the same day. That shipping is a killer!
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That's a good price, but the shipping is $5/box ! That brings it right up there with my local brick and mortar (Turner's) including tax, and I'll get it the same day. That shipping is a killer!
Dude... you don't order online 1 box at a time. Notice how the shipping for 10 boxes is only $19. Order any ammo online 1-2 boxes at a time and you'll be screwed on shipping. If you don't want 5,000 rounds at once, find some friends and split a case. The shipping is perfectly fine.

Although unless you know your guns like blazer .22lr, I'd suggest not making that kind of order.

edit: Yes, it may sound crazy, but the ammo isn't going to go bad or anything. If you keep it dry it'll work just fine 50 years from now. There are calgunners who will order ammo by the pallet when they find a good enough deal on what they want.

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Dude... you don't order online 1 box at a time.
LMAO! Yup, I'll bulk order with one or two people. It's definitely better that way. I need to find bulk deals on minimags.
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Dude... you don't order online 1 box at a time. Notice how the shipping for 10 boxes is only $19. Order any ammo online 1-2 boxes at a time and you'll be screwed on shipping. If you don't want 5,000 rounds at once, find some friends and split a case. The shipping is perfectly fine.

Although unless you know your guns like blazer .22lr, I'd suggest not making that kind of order.

edit: Yes, it may sound crazy, but the ammo isn't going to go bad or anything. If you keep it dry it'll work just fine 50 years from now. There are calgunners who will order ammo by the pallet when they find a good enough deal on what they want.
That's true, but I only buy a couple of boxes at a time so I'll just stick with local shops. I'm not sure that I want to buy full cases at a time yet for the Blazer. My gun has had some fail to fires even with good firing pin strikes.
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Depends on the gun. I normally shoot Federal Champion (red and blue boxes), CCI Blazer and CCI MiniMags.

All of those ammo run flawlessly in my 15-22 without any issues. Only the Federal blue box has issues in my GSG 1911, but otherwise everything else in it shoots just fine.

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Just bought the case of Blazer. Too good to pass up, shipped free.
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Wallyworlds Federal bulk feeds my Calico M100, Ruger 22/45 and my daugthers Crickett just fine. BTW the Calico is a very picky rifle.
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Dunn's comes out to 3.3 cents/rd and Palmetto 3.2 cents/rd if you buy the case. Just depends on if you want the bulk box or boxes of 50 in the plastic cases.
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Anybody know how long it takes for Dunn's to ship? I ordered last night and no shipment info today...
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I've never had a federal bulk fail to go bang ever. Performs great in all my .22s. CZ bolt gun, S&W 617 and ruger MK II. Shot about 4000 rounds in the last month of the stuff. I tried a friends 10/22 with blazer and the first mag had 1 that failed to fire. I popped it in again and it failed a second time. Federal is all I shoot except occasionally CCI CBs or super colibris for quiet pest control.
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Anybody know how long it takes for Dunn's to ship? I ordered last night and no shipment info today...
They are pretty quick. I'd say tomorrow most likely if not then should be day after tomorrow.
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