[50 Freak]

LA Guns in Hollywood does not sell guns to Californians anymore.

They'll sell to anyone out of state but just not Californians.

What the hell, are we a bunch of Lepers now?

[PistolPete75]

yep, they don't sell to us no more. was going to buy something from them, but oh wells.

[Sam Hainn]

Ted has closed LA Guns and is only selling stuff on Auction Arms to NON-Californians. He's not selling to California citizens at all even if OK in CA. Maybe cause he wouldn't do OLLs his foot traffic died in 2006. He's pulled everything off his website, now starting in guitars. I think he got sick of CA laws - said so on his website in October. He might start sales again to CA citizens in the future? The current note on his website seemed like it. At least the website is still there - but I checked it just now and it's blank, it's just one page with their logo, and says Under Construction. I would like to see a nation-wide boycott of LA Guns. But the rest of the country don't care about CA citizens and reap the rewards of our losses. They see this kind if thing to their advantage. LA Guns is doing gang-busters business on Auction Arms and all of their auctions have several bids. I see LA Guns going out of business as a commentary that their prices were always high and they refused to do OLLs. Their customer base probably disappeared.

You want to be really pissed off? Check these out - some choice LA Guns' examples on Auction Arms exporting out of CA long with dozens of other listings:

http://207.183.235.200/search/displa...temnum=7893553

http://207.183.235.200/search/displa...temnum=7902288

http://207.183.235.200/search/displa...temnum=7902311

[NeoWeird]

broken links

ETA: Here you go...

http://auctionarms.com/search/displa...temnum=7891278
http://auctionarms.com/search/displa...temnum=7881198

[Sam Hainn]

Originally Posted by NeoWeird

broken links

ETA: Here you go...

http://207.183.235.200/search/displa...temnum=7891278
http://207.183.235.200/search/displa...temnum=7881198

Oh, I fixed those with even better examples!!!!

[Technical Ted]

Oh My God! We killed Ted!

Us bastards!

Guess all his self righteous promotion (as LA Guns) and puppet schilling (Shore Paul) here on Calguns.net backfired on him.

[Guinness]

We are not offering this gun for sale in California so if you are a California resident please do not bid!

Please... for a Remington 03-A3 rifle in 30-06 caliber...

[phish]

I saw a couple of his auctions for some High Standards.

pissed me off when I saw the "fine print"

[DirtySanchez]

Not amusing and not allowed.

LOL

[donger]

I want to know if:

1. He's buying guns from Californians.

2. Is he selling said California firearms out of state?

I'm gonna bet that Ted still stops by Calguns to keep up on the latest info. I saw him and his wife at the Farmer's Market on 3rd and Fairfax a few Saturdays ago and was going to ask these very questions. But my wife was in a hurry for something...

So Ted, if you're reading this, please answer the questions.

[G17GUY]

Can we say location discrimination?

[DIG]

Originally Posted by 50 Freak

LA Guns in Hollywood does not sell guns to Californians anymore.

They'll sell to anyone out of state but just not Californians.

What the hell, are we a bunch of Lepers now?

This is exactly why we should all pick up stakes and leave the remaining "residue" to feed off themselves until they're all gone! The PRK will eventually turn into a gutless, bleeding-heart, third-world, welfare-ridden, police-state anyhow.
It's getting to be about time for a fairly large, multi-city, civil uprising of Americans demanding acknowledgement from their government of their God-given rights.
Just because some nut-job shoots up a McDonald's, the rights of Americans get dinged? Where is the logic in that?! Little by little and piece by piece they have made progress. The gnawing away of our rights don't feel like much at the time but before you know it, our 2nd Admendment will be exclusive only to the military and law enforcement. All civilians will be made to feel like a criminal just by owning a firearm...errr, wait! that's ALREADY the case...
end rant.

[ghostwong]

Not to start a war - He can do what ever he wants to do . . . I think It is a slap in the face to every California gunn owner.

The thing that really gets me going is that most of the guns are old and over priced. Looks like stuff from an estate purchase or somebody on the West Side who wants to get rid of them. Husband was a collector or a shooter, Husband passes on and wife takes them to a store to get rid of them and gets raped on the value of the gun.

I'm not going to business with them, and I work in the area.

[CALI-gula]

Originally Posted by ghostwong

...I'm not going to business with them, and I work in the area.

It doesn't sound like he cares, nor WOULD he do business with you, even if you wanted to do business with him.

I can see if he is getting out of the gun business completely, and selling off his old stock, liquidating current inventory, and to make matters easy he is only selling out of state so he has less paperwork to handle - no 4473/noDROS/no Safety Handling test/no HSC card to check and driver's license run/no waiting 10 days for the buyer to pick-up, etc., - could that be the case? I am not sure the amount of paperwork an FFL must complete when selling a gun out of state, but I would imagine it would be a lot less.

HOWEVER... if he is belligerently STAYING in the business of selling guns, buying them up, and exporting them out of state by the hundreds, it is irritating. I would imagine that may be the case here, since many of the guns he is listing on Auction Arms had never been listed on his website prior to his downfall in November.

He should make a choice: get out of the business, sell in CA, or leave CA - but don't gobble up what IS becoming less available to us, and export like there was no tomorrow.


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[ibbryn]

Originally Posted by DirtySanchez

Not amusing and not allowed.

LOL

That'd be mean.

[ivanimal]

I can find nothing nice to say about LA Guns so I will say nothing.

[Mute]

What you suggested is both wrong and against the rules as it is advocating action of questionable legality.
Please refrain form this in the future.

[Kestryll]

There have been a few posts that are not of a suitable nature for Calguns.
You are free to not like L.A. Guns and even to express that dislike but suggesting, hinting at or trying to organize harmful actions will not be allowed.

This is the warning, if I see it in this thread again I will suspend the account that does it.

[Jeffrock]

I musta missed something

I will weigh in here with my thoughts on Zoltan. I have purchased a couple guns from him. Zoltan and his wife have always been very friendly with me. Then again I got to know him through high school pals who have been spending serious amounts of cash at his shop for many years.

What Zoltan has done (cutting out Cali sales) is despicable. What really got me going was his little bullpuckey diatribe on his website about how "CA gun laws are so restrictive, and if something is not done, CA gun owners and collectors will be a thing of the past." My translation of that reads more like "Hey Californians, thanks for the business, now piss off while I get paid from other folks." The fact that he takes estate guns and sends 'em out of Cali just adds insult to injury,

But, he has the right to run his business however he sees fit. If he wants to turn his back on the people who got him where he is, that's his prerogrative.

And btw Zoltan is Ted's real name. Don't ask me why Zollie is so ashamed of his name.

[markymark]

I bought 2 guns from him. Was going to buy a 3rd after completing a PPT, but he refused to do the PPT for me and another CG member. His loss for being an ***!

[donger]

Originally Posted by Jeffrock

What Zoltan has done (cutting out Cali sales) is despicable. What really got me going was his little bullpuckey diatribe on his website about how "CA gun laws are so restrictive, and if something is not done, CA gun owners and collectors will be a thing of the past." My translation of that reads more like "Hey Californians, thanks for the business, now piss off while I get paid from other folks." The fact that he takes estate guns and sends 'em out of Cali just adds insult to injury,

But, he has the right to run his business however he sees fit. If he wants to turn his back on the people who got him where he is, that's his prerogrative.

Just got confirmation that Ted, er I guess Zoltan is lurking.

He stated that he is clearing remaining inventory and hinted that LAGuns will close.

[TacFan]

WTF ... that's my name. I'm Zoltan

[drdanno84]

I visited LA guns on several occasions and always found Ted and his wife
(pretty lady), to be friendly and knowledgeable about firearms. He was able to locate an HK anniversary P7M8 Jubillee for me. It was a bit pricey at the time but I was glad to finally purchase one. Unfortunately there are very few gun shops left in the city of of LA do to all the restrictions imposed. I can only speculate that Ted had to make a business decision to liquidate and cease to do business in california. he has to make a living like the rest of us and we need to be understanding and respectful of his decisions.

[CALI-gula]

In fairness to Ted, he has now changed the wording on his auctions for rifles and handguns OK in California, to include California citizens to bid/buy if they use a transfer dealer, HOWEVER, he is no longer doing DROS/4473 at his store. If that is his choice, what can you do? Maybe after many years of running a gun store, he's just sick of it.

If Ted is getting out of the business, so be it. I know many have posted issues with LA Guns over the years, but I never had problems with Ted or his wife. My prior post on this topic has only been out of being disgruntled from what appeared to be Ted snatching up firearms from CA in volume, those we can only get by PPT or consignment, and shipping them out to other states. THAT action frustrated me, but I have nothing bad to say about the guy. If that action is merely to liquidate his stock, and he doesn't want to do the paperwork or keep the store open, it is really the only way for him to do it efficiently and time-cost effective. That I can understand. I got many good deals there over the years and some exceptional guns.

If his store is closed, he is no longer buying guns from walk-ins. So it is minimal threat he will suck up what would otherwise be a consignment or PPT, and ship it off to Idaho. Actually, the store doing just that is Rettings, and they have been doing that ever since SB15 came out, with many thousands of guns.

But Ted should give a better explanation on his website for closing and/or cutting out CA sales. I think his many loyal customers over the years deserve that. And it could only be expected those loyal customers would be disgruntled with him if with no explanation or answers to emails, it appeared he just shut them out and was hacking into the CA collector arena without regard.


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[HowardW56]

Originally Posted by CALI-gula

In fairness to Ted, he has now changed the wording on his auctions for rifles and handguns OK in California, to include California citizens to bid/buy if they use a transfer dealer, HOWEVER, he is no longer doing DROS/4473 at his store. If that is his choice, what can you do? Maybe after many years of running a gun store, he's just sick of it.

If Ted is getting out of the business, so be it. I know many have posted issues with LA Guns over the years, but I never had problems with Ted or his wife. My prior post on this topic has only been out of being disgruntled from what appeared to be Ted snatching up firearms from CA in volume, those we can only get by PPT or consignment, and shipping them out to other states. THAT action frustrated me, but I have nothing bad to say about the guy. If that action is merely to liquidate his stock, and he doesn't want to do the paperwork or keep the store open, it is really the only way for him to do it efficiently and time-cost effective. That I can understand. I got many good deals there over the years and some exceptional guns.

If his store is closed, he is no longer buying guns from walk-ins. So it is minimal threat he will suck up what would otherwise be a consignment or PPT, and ship it off to Idaho. Actually, the store doing just that is Rettings, and they have been doing that ever since SB15 came out, with many thousands of guns.

But Ted should give a better explanation on his website for closing and/or cutting out CA sales. I think his many loyal customers over the years deserve that. And it could only be expected those loyal customers would be disgruntled with him if with no explanation or answers to emails, it appeared he just shut them out and was hacking into the CA collector arena without regard.


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He hasn't changed his handgun auctions, just the long guns.....

That doesn't help anything....

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=7892560

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=7892563

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=7892563

[Moonclip]

Hi Ted! Don't even worry about the Zoltan thing! My cousin was named Norbert! We called him Eric! My father and I bought a Star 30m from you and an AMT backup a few years ago.

Miss riding your 1920's style elevator and seeing all the "interesting" people in West Hollywood! Sorry you decided to close up shop,I used to love your website. Don't blame you though.

Your gunstore filled a unique niche in the area, wish you would open back up. Don't get to Hollywood much anymore, used to take a friend to go eat at Haifa Restraunt sometimes, but I'd come visit a reopened LA guns!

[TacFan]

is Ted / Zoltan (Hungarian) a member of this forum ?

[Moonclip]

He used to participate it seems but it caused a lot of drama on the boards. I always assumed Ted lurked here still though.

Ammo Bros visited for a time too but that caused drama too and he seemed to stay away after that.

Nicknames are cool, a group of my friends from military days used to call me "Big Worm" (don't ask) and my ex best friends parents and my friend used to call me "Shlomo" sometimes which has nothing to do with my real name. (You don't wanna know!)

[Exiledviking]

Martin B. Rettings is doing the same thing on Auction Arms.

[Jeffrock]

Originally Posted by CALI-gula

In fairness to Ted, he has now changed the wording on his auctions for rifles and handguns OK in California, to include California citizens to bid/buy if they use a transfer dealer, HOWEVER, he is no longer doing DROS/4473 at his store. If that is his choice, what can you do? Maybe after many years of running a gun store, he's just sick of it.

If Ted is getting out of the business, so be it. I know many have posted issues with LA Guns over the years, but I never had problems with Ted or his wife. My prior post on this topic has only been out of being disgruntled from what appeared to be Ted snatching up firearms from CA in volume, those we can only get by PPT or consignment, and shipping them out to other states. THAT action frustrated me, but I have nothing bad to say about the guy. If that action is merely to liquidate his stock, and he doesn't want to do the paperwork or keep the store open, it is really the only way for him to do it efficiently and time-cost effective. That I can understand. I got many good deals there over the years and some exceptional guns.

If his store is closed, he is no longer buying guns from walk-ins. So it is minimal threat he will suck up what would otherwise be a consignment or PPT, and ship it off to Idaho. Actually, the store doing just that is Rettings, and they have been doing that ever since SB15 came out, with many thousands of guns.

But Ted should give a better explanation on his website for closing and/or cutting out CA sales. I think his many loyal customers over the years deserve that. And it could only be expected those loyal customers would be disgruntled with him if with no explanation or answers to emails, it appeared he just shut them out and was hacking into the CA collector arena without regard.


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Well that sums up my thoughts exactly. I dont blame him for not wanting to spend 50 minutes doing a PPT for $30 with the DOJ breathing down his back looking for him to screw up.

But, I am nowhere near convinced that he has stopped buying estate collections, OR that he plans on closing down the gun shop (to out of staters that is....) But, that is neither here nor there. I mean come on Ted, your "Farewell to Californians" diatribe stated that you loved internet auctions because of the freedom it allowed you to pursue other stuff (guitars I am assuming.) You did not exactly spell out what your relationship (or lack thereof) with Californians would be.

Then, we raise this little stink and you change your internet policy to ok California sales through FFL. And yes, Ted most certainly has read this thread. He has accused me of spitting poison at him in my previous post. Re-read the thread. Ted. I said that you two have always been very nice to me. (Except for the time you refused to believe that Barsto made a semi drop-in conversion barrel to convert a Sig P229 .40 to 9mm without changing springs, etc )

Just understand that some of your CA customers are going to be a little upset when you announce that you are closing up shop to us via a patronizing message on your website.

Not that you are under any obligation to, but you could take the bull by the horns here and explain your actions. Sorry if you are pissed about me mentioning your real name, but a) It's posted on your business license and b) It's a cool name!

[50 Freak]

Well that sums up my thoughts exactly. I dont blame him for not wanting to spend 50 minutes doing a PPT for $30 with the DOJ breathing down his back looking for him to screw up.

$30 bucks? I pay my FFL guy $60 a transfer. How much of that is his I don't know but he's got it down to a science.

I'm usually in and out in 15 minutes. That's good money if you ask me. Even if he only keeps half of the $60 fee, that's $120 an hour.

[CALI-gula]

Originally Posted by HowardW56

He hasn't changed his handgun auctions, just the long guns.....

That doesn't help anything....

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=7892560

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=7892563

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=7892563

Sorry Howard, but that doesn't look to be the case. Those 3 guns that you linked to, the 686-3 and the 629-2 are no longer OK on the SB-15 list. They are not "approved" in California. The current versions are the Smith 686-6 and the 629-6. Blame Smith & Wesson for the dash-model variances, where each dash-number means a model fetuer change! He can not sell them in CA except by PPT and consignment out of his shop, and as he stated, his ship is no longer open and he's not doing CA transfers - he can not transfer these to another dealer for sale in CA. He has however, allowed CA citizens for single actions and current models.

What Ted is doing sucks for us, but people still need to be fair and consider the facts.

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[HowardW56]

Originally Posted by CALI-gula

Sorry Howard, but that doesn't look to be the case. Those 3 guns that you linked to, the 686-3 and the 629-2 are no longer OK on the SB-15 list. They are not "approved" in California. The current versions are the Smith 686-6 and the 629-6. Blame Smith & Wesson for the dash-model variances, where each dash-number means a model fetuer change! He can not sell them in CA except by PPT and consignment out of his shop, and as he stated, his ship is no longer open and he's not doing CA transfers - he can not transfer these to another dealer for sale in CA. He has however, allowed CA citizens for single actions and current models.

What Ted is doing sucks for us, but people still need to be fair and consider the facts.

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Have you sent Ted an e-mail? Did you compare the guns on his website to those listed for auction?

I have done all of the above, and stopped by his store.

1. When I stopped by the store, they wouldn't open the door, period.... Even though the sign still said that they should have been open.

2. I sent them an e-mail, the gun I was enquiring about was listed on their website as being on consignment. SB-15 was not an issue..... I was told, with absolute certainty that the gun was not for sale in California.

3. He will not sell any of the guns to a Law Enforcement Officer either…. (Confirmed by e-mail)

It is his business, his inventory and he can do as he wishes. But we don’t have to like it or condone it….

Ted is articulate and I’m sure he doesn’t need anyone else to defend him….

[CALI-gula]

How does that change anything I said?

Originally Posted by HowardW56

...When I stopped by the store, they wouldn't open the door, period.... Even though the sign still said that they should have been open.

Consignment and PPT must be done IN HIS STORE or by him as a dealer in person, to be legal to transfer handguns not on the SB15 list here in CA. If he won't do them in his store or in person, and he won't let you in his store, he is closed - same goes for his auctions. And he can't do a PPT through an auction, and a consignment sale is essentially a PPT - the dealer merely holds the gun for the seller until a buyer is found.

Originally Posted by HowardW56

... I sent them an e-mail, the gun I was enquiring about was listed on their website as being on consignment. SB-15 was not an issue.....

That must have been some time ago. There are no firearms on his website, all were removed, and NO guns have been on his website since December. You may have caught the website listing while it was in transition of being removed - you called, and he confirmed it was not available, you got your answer confirmed. If it was listed and he told you it was sold already, he just hadn't had time to remove it, would you have demanded he produce it? That used to happen on his website in the past; still happens with Turner's "Online Gun Rack" - stuff will be on there for days after it was sold.

Originally Posted by HowardW56

He will not sell any of the guns to a Law Enforcement Officer either….

Maybe he feels what is good for the goose, is good for the gander; if the DOJ is stating it is unsafe for civilians to buy certain guns because it didn't pass a safety test, or was not submitted for a safety test, and Gray Davis previously passed a law in CA that allows for manufacturers and dealers to be sued for liability concerns beyond product liability concerns, should Ted really sell the to law enforcement who may carry these "unsafe" guns 8 hours a day? A good number of LEO see less range time and have handled fewer guns than most any single person here on Calguns.net. The limit to most LEO's proficiency with firearms is a Beretta 92 and handling a Remington 870 once or twice in training "to see what a shotgun feels like". (Not ALL LEO of course)

Originally Posted by HowardW56

It is his business, his inventory and he can do as he wishes. But we don’t have to like it or condone it….[

Not condoning it at all - just setting the facts straight which are obvious. He won't do business with Californians on guns at his store, or as a dealer in CA, but is still selling accessories and knives, which is why his store and website are open at all. So because of that, he can NOT SELL YOU A 686-3 OR A 629-2 because they are not on the SB-15 list, as he won't do the transfer in his store or in person, and the ONLY way he could sell them to you is by PPT or consignment AT HIS STORE or in person as a dealer.

Originally Posted by HowardW56

Ted is articulate and I’m sure he doesn’t need anyone else to defend him….

Has he talked to you lately?


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[HowardW56]

Originally Posted by CALI-gula

How does that change anything I said?



Consignment and PPT must be done IN HIS STORE or by him as a dealer in person, to be legal to transfer handguns not on the SB15 list here in CA. If he won't do them in his store or in person, and he won't let you in his store, he is closed - same goes for his auctions. And he can't do a PPT through an auction, and a consignment sale is essentially a PPT - the dealer merely holds the gun for the seller until a buyer is found.



That must have been some time ago. There are no firearms on his website, all were removed, and NO guns have been on his website since December.



Maybe he feels what is good for the goose, is good for the gander; if the DOJ is stating it is unsafe for civilians to buy certain guns because it didn't pass a safety test, or was not submitted for a safety test, and Gray Davis previously passed a law in CA that allows for manufacturers and dealers to be sued for liability concerns beyond product liability concerns, should Ted really sell the to law enforcement who may carry these "unsafe" guns 8 hours a day? A good number of LEO see less range time and have handled fewer guns than most any single person here on Calguns.net. The limit to most LEO's proficiency with firearms is a Berretta 92 and handling a Remington 870 once or twice in training "to see what a shotgun feels like". (Not ALL LEO of course)



Not condoning it at all - just setting the facts straight which are obvious. He won't do business with Californians on guns at his store, or as a dealer in CA, but is still selling accessories and knives, which is why his store and website are open at all. So because of that, he can NOT SELL YOU A 686-3 OR A 629-2 because they are not on the SB-15 list, as he won't do the transfer in his store or in person, and the ONLY way he could sell them to you is by PPT or consignment AT HIS STORE or in person as a dealer.



Has he talked to you lately?


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I do not wish to argue with you, it’s not important enough to warrant the effort.

However, Ted has replied to my e-mails….

[CALI-gula]

Originally Posted by HowardW56

I do not wish to argue with you, it’s not important enough to warrant the effort.

However, Ted has replied to my e-mails….

There it is... Denial of the facts.

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[Q]

LAGUNS always had cool stuff! But most were for out of state sale anyway. The location is expensive! They had a cool website with good details on their items for sale. I always liked to look at their old pocket guns.