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Old 12-15-2011, 6:58 AM
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Default GUN SWEEP San Gabriel Valley / Coming to a town near you?

Article from the L.A. Times:

"Gun sweep centered in San Gabriel Valley nets 34 arrests

Thirty-four people were arrested, mostly on suspicion of weapons violations, and 23 guns were recovered in a law enforcement sweep targeting probationers, officials said Thursday."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...weep-guns.html

It sounds more like a probation sweep, but you can't ignore headlines and their agenda.

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Old 12-15-2011, 7:40 AM
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The only reason they were able to do this "Gun Sweep" is because the individuals were on probation. As a condition of their probation, they agreed to be subject to warrentless searches.

The headline makes it appear that the LEOs were just generally going after guns, when in reality they were going after probation violators, who just happened to have illegal firearms.
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Old 12-15-2011, 7:43 AM
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Old 12-15-2011, 7:46 AM
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Just testing the publics reaction to the headline. GP is getting a warm fuzzy feeling to associate with gun seizes . Now it is probates. GP sees a good thing. Cops go after criminals, so when they expand this action, GP justifies the action in their minds.
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Old 12-15-2011, 7:50 AM
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In my estimation, this is the future of politically motivated LE actions against guns/gun owners. The AG previous statements about violating the sanctity of your home to ensure you are (paraphrase) "being responsible with your guns" The insistence that all guns be papered and registered, the diversion/misappropriation of DROS monies to support confiscations/raids, the forced interference into private transactions etc..

Get all guns and their owners on a list
Expand the list of disqualifying misdemeanors/ include things like unpaid traffic and parking tickets, non payment of fines/fee's/taxes/child support and on and on and on
Check list to find violaters
Confiscate
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It seems reasonable now when they are going after criminals, but when you become the "criminal", it doesnt seem so reasonable does it? Just wait.
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Old 12-15-2011, 7:56 AM
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That is it SPS. Register all future LGs. Some bs like speaking against a politician or a minor offense will get you a visit.
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Read very carefully!

250 officers, to collect 23 guns!

I bet this "operation" cost over 1 million dollars. No wonder this state is broke amd they are going after DROS fees.
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Read very carefully!

250 officers, to collect 23 guns!

I bet this "operation" cost over 1 million dollars. No wonder this state is broke amd they are going after DROS fees.
Hey, former criminals with guns have a tendency to shoot back. It was all for "officer safety".

It does seem to be a bit of overkill.
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Hey, former criminals with guns have a tendency to shoot back. It was all for "officer safety".

It does seem to be a bit of overkill.

Over kill to the tune of $43,500 per gun. Just sayin

You would think that the probation officers could simply do this with a little assistance. It would seem to fall within their duties.
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Over kill to the tune of $43,500 per gun. Just sayin

You would think that the probation officers could simply do this with a little assistance. It would seem to fall within their duties.
Hope you dont mind if I copy your main points for my comments on the article.
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Out here, it's not called a "gun sweep". It's called a "Probation Sweep" or "Gang Sweep", and they usually hit around 50 houses and round up at least that many violators. They usually get a lot of drugs and stolen guns in the process.
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The only reason they were able to do this "Gun Sweep" is because the individuals were on probation. As a condition of their probation, they agreed to be subject to warrentless searches.

The headline makes it appear that the LEOs were just generally going after guns, when in reality they were going after probation violators, who just happened to have illegal firearms.
that's the heart of the matter...
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But that is why we have so many laws, the DROS system, etc. That keeps firearms out of the hands of criminals. . .

(OK, OK, since the criminals manifestly do have firearms anyway - the only logical intent of the law would seem to be to keep firearms out of the hands of the law-abiding.)
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So will those guns be checked and if stolen returned to their rightful owner or will they all end up in some crusher? I'm guessing not a single one of those stolen guns will be returned
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In my estimation, this is the future of politically motivated LE actions against guns/gun owners. The AG previous statements about violating the sanctity of your home to ensure you are (paraphrase) "being responsible with your guns" The insistence that all guns be papered and registered, the diversion/misappropriation of DROS monies to support confiscations/raids, the forced interference into private transactions etc..

Get all guns and their owners on a list
Expand the list of disqualifying misdemeanors/ include things like unpaid traffic and parking tickets, non payment of fines/fee's/taxes/child support and on and on and on
Check list to find violaters
Confiscate
repeat

It seems reasonable now when they are going after criminals, but when you become the "criminal", it doesnt seem so reasonable does it? Just wait.


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That is it SPS. Register all future LGs. Some bs like speaking against a politician or a minor offense will get you a visit.
THESE!!! "Creating" criminals where they did not previously exist, then using this artificial criminal status to justify removal of weapons from "dangerous felons" is the single easiest way to remove any and ALL guns, and make it look legit.
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You have to look at the source. The same "news" paper that yesterday reported the truck fire on the 60 fwy the correct way it happened, then today said the truck exploded and called it a firey crash on the freeway. The truck never exploded, nor did it hit anything. A motorist saw the tank burning, alerted the driver he pulled over.

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Over kill to the tune of $43,500 per gun. Just sayin

You would think that the probation officers could simply do this with a little assistance. It would seem to fall within their duties.
If you or one of your kin ended up shot with one of those guns, you'd think it would have been a very attractive deal and you'd wish they'd done it.
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The cost of the operation is the only part of this that bothers me. I'm not going to cry over convicted and prohibited criminals getting their guns taken away.
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In my estimation, this is the future of politically motivated LE actions against guns/gun owners.
Only if those gun owners are on probation or parole..... I fail to see how the actions foreshadow the type of conduct you envision.
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