Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > FIREARMS DISCUSSIONS > Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated Centerfire rifles, carbines and other gas operated rifles.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-12-2011, 5:45 PM
Helixfury's Avatar
Helixfury Helixfury is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: IE
Posts: 815
iTrader: 143 / 100%
Default FS2000 with MFI muzzle brake

I finally got this rifle out of jail and immediately replaced the original FH/fake can to the new MFI muzzle brake. I am totally impressed with the quality and build of this MB and thumbs up to them for taking the time to make life simpler for us.
Attachment 126248

Attachment 126252

Last edited by Helixfury; 10-02-2012 at 7:55 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-12-2011, 5:47 PM
luchador768 luchador768 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego
Posts: 3,259
iTrader: 27 / 100%
Default

Do you have a pic of just the brake?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-12-2011, 6:18 PM
BHPFan's Avatar
BHPFan BHPFan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Where they tax you on everything and give you the shaft.
Posts: 2,278
iTrader: 73 / 100%
Default

So, with this brake, the OAL of the rifle reaches the min of 30in ?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-12-2011, 6:21 PM
Helixfury's Avatar
Helixfury Helixfury is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: IE
Posts: 815
iTrader: 143 / 100%
Default

This will make it a little over 30 inches.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-12-2011, 6:24 PM
luchador768 luchador768 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego
Posts: 3,259
iTrader: 27 / 100%
Default

I've been trying to extend mine from the back, with little luck. I've tried different pads, and dense foam material bu it all looks like crap. That break looks pretty good.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-12-2011, 6:34 PM
BHPFan's Avatar
BHPFan BHPFan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Where they tax you on everything and give you the shaft.
Posts: 2,278
iTrader: 73 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BoyetKho View Post
This will make it a little over 30 inches.
Cool. Along with a SolarTactical wrap-around grip, I'll be able to get a featureless FS2000 rifle.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-12-2011, 7:02 PM
nitroxdiver's Avatar
nitroxdiver nitroxdiver is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,716
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Bad azz!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-12-2011, 7:42 PM
MrPlink's Avatar
MrPlink MrPlink is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Portland / East Bay
Posts: 12,537
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Default

very sexy! You are ready for some space ops with that thing!
__________________
The California Moderate Centrist Militia member in exile

disclaimer:
everything I post is for arguendo and entertainment purposes only, and should not be construed to be legal advice
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-12-2011, 8:01 PM
BHPFan's Avatar
BHPFan BHPFan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Where they tax you on everything and give you the shaft.
Posts: 2,278
iTrader: 73 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by luchador768 View Post
Do you have a pic of just the brake?
Not quite the pic, but at least here's the link to MFI:

http://www.mfiap.com/smallarms/FS2000-30-CA.shtml
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-12-2011, 9:08 PM
Blownmotor's Avatar
Blownmotor Blownmotor is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 517
iTrader: 20 / 95%
Default

Does the brake have to be pinned on that type of rifle?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-12-2011, 10:28 PM
osis32's Avatar
osis32 osis32 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 3,809
iTrader: 29 / 100%
Default

I don't think that's true permanency of the fh/mb is only a necessity with barrels under 16". If they're over that you don't need to have it pinned just make sure the rifle is over 30".
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-13-2011, 2:17 AM
MrPlink's Avatar
MrPlink MrPlink is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Portland / East Bay
Posts: 12,537
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by osis32 View Post
I don't think that's true permanency of the fh/mb is only a necessity with barrels under 16". If they're over that you don't need to have it pinned just make sure the rifle is over 30".
correct, only needs to be permanent to avoid Federal NFA violations.
For over all length in CA purposes, no permanence required at all.

You could tape a stick to your gun to extend the length at it would technically be legal (I do not advise doing this though)
__________________
The California Moderate Centrist Militia member in exile

disclaimer:
everything I post is for arguendo and entertainment purposes only, and should not be construed to be legal advice
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-13-2011, 12:02 PM
HKDoc HKDoc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: East bay area
Posts: 490
iTrader: 11 / 100%
Default

Darn that looks good! Now I want one too. Was it hard to change out the muzzle brake?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-13-2011, 1:36 PM
Helixfury's Avatar
Helixfury Helixfury is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: IE
Posts: 815
iTrader: 143 / 100%
Default

You need to drill out the pin really good, good leverage and a sturdy table. It was quite tough though. If you have the proper tools you'll be alright and get somebody to help you.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-13-2011, 2:07 PM
FX-05 Xiuhcoatl's Avatar
FX-05 Xiuhcoatl FX-05 Xiuhcoatl is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Oxnard, Ca
Posts: 3,304
iTrader: 45 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPlink View Post
correct, only needs to be permanent to avoid Federal NFA violations.
For over all length in CA purposes, no permanence required at all.

You could tape a stick to your gun to extend the length at it would technically be legal (I do not advise doing this though)
__________________
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 12-13-2011, 2:39 PM
hcbr's Avatar
hcbr hcbr is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 4,553
iTrader: 65 / 100%
Default

nice! congrats
__________________
Be the change that you wish to see in the world.
Mahatma Gandhi

"A bullet sounds the same in every language..."
Stewie Griffin (Family Guy Episode: Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story 2005)
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12-13-2011, 5:38 PM
BHPFan's Avatar
BHPFan BHPFan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Where they tax you on everything and give you the shaft.
Posts: 2,278
iTrader: 73 / 100%
Default

MFI calls it a "muzzle brake", but in its link at the beginning, it says
Quote:
Muzzle Brakes are also known as: Flash Suppressor, Flash Hider, Flash Hinder & Anti Climb Device.
Does that mean you still cannot make the rifle featureless with that product plus a SolarTactical grip?
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-13-2011, 5:52 PM
luchador768 luchador768 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego
Posts: 3,259
iTrader: 27 / 100%
Default

There is a long and kinda nasty thread out there somewhere discussing the FS2000 muzzle brake/flash hider. FS calls it a muzzle brake however it looks like a modified A2 flash hider to me.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 12-13-2011, 6:56 PM
xsparc xsparc is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Fallbrook
Posts: 15
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

This thing is awesome! I got the first one made to replace the YHM i had. It fits perfect and just looks sexy.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 12-13-2011, 7:08 PM
MrPlink's Avatar
MrPlink MrPlink is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Portland / East Bay
Posts: 12,537
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BHPFan View Post
MFI calls it a "muzzle brake", but in its link at the beginning, it says


Does that mean you still cannot make the rifle featureless with that product plus a SolarTactical grip?
it means if the DA does his homework and finds this description from the manufacturer and uses it against you are screwed
__________________
The California Moderate Centrist Militia member in exile

disclaimer:
everything I post is for arguendo and entertainment purposes only, and should not be construed to be legal advice
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 12-13-2011, 8:33 PM
fmunk's Avatar
fmunk fmunk is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: OC/NV
Posts: 2,753
iTrader: 44 / 100%
Default

Nice. I have a OD military overrun on the way. Tactical model, no optic, rear folding BUIS.
__________________

.

...
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 12-13-2011, 9:31 PM
chad68's Avatar
chad68 chad68 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Sonoma County CA
Posts: 652
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fmunk View Post
Nice. I have a OD military overrun on the way. Tactical model, no optic, rear folding BUIS.

I sent you a PM
__________________
Sent from Cyber Space, using the Force!
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 12-13-2011, 9:36 PM
fmunk's Avatar
fmunk fmunk is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: OC/NV
Posts: 2,753
iTrader: 44 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chad68 View Post
I sent you a PM
Replied.

I wish someone would make a FN to AR thread adapter that makes up the length, and allow you to add a AR brake/FH of your choice.
__________________

.

...
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 12-14-2011, 11:51 AM
thekwyjibo thekwyjibo is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 70
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPlink View Post
correct, only needs to be permanent to avoid Federal NFA violations.
For over all length in CA purposes, no permanence required at all.

You could tape a stick to your gun to extend the length at it would technically be legal (I do not advise doing this though)
Actually there might be some issues with 922r. It seems to dis-allow a threaded muzzle, even if a device is screwed to the end of it, this requires the muzzle brake to be permanently attached, so that one cannot ever unscrew it and expose the threads. This is the reason why F/N initially pinned their pseudo-brake (all arguments as to if it is a 'true brake' aside) onto the barrel instead of just screwing it in.
Not sure if the locking system that MFI includes with their kit is acceptable to be definable as permanently attached or not. It is a set screw that can be then covered with JB weld or something similar.

Given the dark art that much of 922r has become, I am not sure how likely someone is to come afoul of it, but it bears mentioning that there may be a potential issue here.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 12-14-2011, 9:10 PM
Grumpyoldretiredcop's Avatar
Grumpyoldretiredcop Grumpyoldretiredcop is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Escape tunnel successful!
Posts: 5,746
iTrader: 117 / 100%
Default

Threaded muzzles aren't a 922(r) issue. Whether the muzzle device screwed onto those threads is US or foreign made can be in terms of total foreign parts in an imported rifle. Muzzle devices are not required to be permanently attached unless the rifle's barrel is less than 16" in length (and absent the appropriate tax stamp for same). If you have some information in either statute or case law that indicates otherwise, please post it, otherwise I would have to call
__________________
I'm retired. That's right, retired. I don't want to hear about the cop who stopped you today or how you didn't think you should get a ticket. That just makes me grumpy!

Last edited by Grumpyoldretiredcop; 12-14-2011 at 9:18 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 12-14-2011, 9:16 PM
Grumpyoldretiredcop's Avatar
Grumpyoldretiredcop Grumpyoldretiredcop is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Escape tunnel successful!
Posts: 5,746
iTrader: 117 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPlink View Post
it means if the DA does his homework and finds this description from the manufacturer and uses it against you are screwed
It does look like MFI has mixed messages in its descriptions. Later in the product description they include the following language

Quote:
The MFI FN FS-2000 Muzzle Brake does NOT reduce muzzle noise or muzzle flash in any way
which would at least permit rebuttal. I'd certainly wish that MFI would delete that first line in the product description before I went featureless with an FS2000 (and I'd like to).
__________________
I'm retired. That's right, retired. I don't want to hear about the cop who stopped you today or how you didn't think you should get a ticket. That just makes me grumpy!
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 12-15-2011, 7:13 AM
thekwyjibo thekwyjibo is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 70
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grumpyoldretiredcop View Post
Threaded muzzles aren't a 922(r) issue. Whether the muzzle device screwed onto those threads is US or foreign made can be in terms of total foreign parts in an imported rifle. Muzzle devices are not required to be permanently attached unless the rifle's barrel is less than 16" in length (and absent the appropriate tax stamp for same). If you have some information in either statute or case law that indicates otherwise, please post it, otherwise I would have to call

Fair enough, As I qualified before I am certainly no expert but have seen enough to make me wary of it.

A few nuggets

http://home.comcast.net/~navy87guy/home/922r.html
--check the section under sporting purposes.
http://www.tapco.com/section922r/
http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/LegalFederal922rFeatures
-Just do a search for threaded you will find relevant sections

Most of these are predicated under the 'suitable for sporting purposes' of 18 u.s.c. 922(r) . and 27 C.F.R. 478.89 defines what 'parts' a firearm can have.


http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/saws-and-lcafds.html
Q: Does the expiration of the SAW ban change laws regarding assembly of nonsporting shotguns and semiautomatic rifles from imported parts?
No. The provisions of section 922(r) of the GCA and the regulations in 27 CFR 478.39 regarding assembly of non-sporting shotguns and semiautomatic rifles from imported parts still apply.

27 C.F.R. 478.89 parts (this is what is the whole parts count thing), note section 5, the problem is that by calling it muzzle attachments, some are extending that to include threaded muzzles.
(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Butt stocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, hand guards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floorplates



Again, I am not trying to spread doubt here, nor am I attempting to state that I know for sure, If someone who knows more about this then me can pipe in and correct me I would appreciate it. I would personally like an more definitive answer to this as well. I have a fs2000 as well and have been running in circles over this whole thing myself. These damn laws seem designed to confuse people.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 12-15-2011, 7:35 AM
glenntuc glenntuc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 176
iTrader: 5 / 100%
Default

rifle gear said they will have sa2000 in about 2 weeks around 1850.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 12-15-2011, 8:12 AM
bombadillo's Avatar
bombadillo bombadillo is offline
Former Humboldtian
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: IDAHO and another proud member of the quitters club!
Posts: 13,855
iTrader: 76 / 100%
Default

Whats the sight picture like on those?
__________________
http://mossbergmvp.com/index.php?forum/
If you have any questions on the MVP platform, ask me here or on the "other" site. Same handle there.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 12-15-2011, 10:59 AM
Grumpyoldretiredcop's Avatar
Grumpyoldretiredcop Grumpyoldretiredcop is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Escape tunnel successful!
Posts: 5,746
iTrader: 117 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thekwyjibo View Post
Fair enough, As I qualified before I am certainly no expert but have seen enough to make me wary of it.

<remainder snipped, no need to quote citations>

You'll need to read 922(r) of the GCA and the regulations in 27 CFR 478.39 carefully. Website opinions (especially mine) are not law. The "thread issues" come into play when/if the firearm is imported into the U.S., hence the tack-welded muzzle nuts and/or removed muzzle threads found on WASR AKs. Not an issue when the weapon is already imported or when assembling a firearm within the U.S., which is why removing the tack-welded nut from a WASR and installing a muzzle device is not necessarily a violation of 922(r), but oftentimes a means to install one more domestic part in order to conform to 922(r) when modifying the firearm from the imported configuration. Same logic applies to the FS2000 if the firearm is already in your possession.

Again, there is NO requirement embodied in Federal case or statute law requiring the permanent attachment of a muzzle device to a rifle barrel that is 16" or longer. If that makes you more comfortable, by all means pin your extended muzzle device. No need for the rest of us to do it.
__________________
I'm retired. That's right, retired. I don't want to hear about the cop who stopped you today or how you didn't think you should get a ticket. That just makes me grumpy!

Last edited by Grumpyoldretiredcop; 12-15-2011 at 11:13 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 12-15-2011, 11:05 AM
zfields's Avatar
zfields zfields is offline
Vendor/Retailer
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Sonoma County
Posts: 13,163
iTrader: 33 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grumpyoldretiredcop View Post
You'll need to read 922(r) of the GCA and the regulations in 27 CFR 478.39 carefully. Website opinions (especially mine) are not law. The "thread issues" come into play when/if the firearm is imported into the U.S., hence the tack-welded muzzle nuts and/or removed muzzle threads found on WASRs. Not an issue when the weapon is already imported or when assembling a firearm within the U.S.
+1, the section you quoted has to do with importation laws, not compliance after it (legally) hits our side of the pond.

922 kicks in once you convert it out of sporter config.
__________________
Sandstorm Custom Rifle Slings : Custom Paracord slings

10% off slings for calguns members. PM for details. Like us on facebook!
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 12-15-2011, 1:05 PM
fmunk's Avatar
fmunk fmunk is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: OC/NV
Posts: 2,753
iTrader: 44 / 100%
Default

Once I get mine, I think I will call up some contacts to have a FN to AR thread adapter made. Any one interested?
__________________

.

...
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 12-22-2011, 11:34 AM
shark92651's Avatar
shark92651 shark92651 is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 5,361
iTrader: 30 / 100%
Default

Just FYI that we got in a shipment of FS 2000's and our CA model includes the MFI brake, Assault Planet Bullet Button, and 10/30 magazine for $1899. We have both black and OD in stock.

http://www.riflegear.com/p-1348-fn-fs2000-tactical.aspx
__________________

www.riflegear.com
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 4:50 AM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2016, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.