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Old 12-08-2011, 6:40 PM
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Are folding stocks legal on shotguns...?
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Old 12-08-2011, 6:46 PM
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Not with a pistol grip also on the gun, no. Neither are collapsible stocks. They would need to be pinned to prevent folding / collapsing.
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Even with a magazine lock? What about "AR 15's" with pistol grips, magazine locks, and collapsible stocks? Is it different because they're a rifle?
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Old 12-08-2011, 6:54 PM
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How about a forward grip on a Saiga 12
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Even with a magazine lock? What about "AR 15's" with pistol grips, magazine locks, and collapsible stocks? Is it different because they're a rifle?
Shotgun laws are different than rifle laws.

What may be a legal configuration for a rifle, may not be legal when applied to a semi-auto shotgun.

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How about a forward grip on a Saiga 12
Legal if there is no folding/collapsing stock on the semi-auto shotgun.

If the semi-auto shotgun has a folding/collapsing stock, then it can not have a pistol grip, vertical forward grip or a thumbhole stock.
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CA. Penal code 12276.1(a)
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(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
I realize that's the old PC #, but it's the same info.
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So if I get a solid stock and a pistol grip i'm fine... I don't see muzzle brake in there.. I guess I can go with that eh
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So if I get a solid stock and a pistol grip i'm fine... I don't see muzzle brake in there.. I guess I can go with that eh
Yes and you can have a forward grip as well since the two grips count as (1) feature. The gun has to have a mag lock installed.
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Well what is the best recoil solid stock then?? I was thinking about this kit...

http://store.carolinashooterssupply....ION-KIT/Detail


Or do I even need a new stock???

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That kit is fine. You will need a new stock unless you have gorilla arms.
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That kit is fine. You will need a new stock unless you have gorilla arms.
I can scratch my knee without bending down....
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Sucks cant have a folding though
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CA. Penal code 12276.1(a)

I realize that's the old PC #, but it's the same info.
Is this considered a revolving cylinder? I am assuming it is

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/185...-polymer-black

edit: its only 10 rds
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Is this considered a revolving cylinder? I am assuming it is

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/185...-polymer-black

edit: its only 10 rds

Not a revolving cylinder. Just a 10 round mag. Legal in California.
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We mounted a hydraulic recoil stock on a Saiga by pinning the buttstock:



Just buy an ITT Enidine Stock Shock buffer and start drilling holes.
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We mounted a hydraulic recoil stock on a Saiga by pinning the buttstock:



Just buy an ITT Enidine Stock Shock buffer and start drilling holes.
That looks all kinds of alright One of very few non-conversion Saiga stocks that don't look like the Solidworks guy was on a 3-day drinking binge.
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Not a revolving cylinder. Just a 10 round mag. Legal in California.
Might have to pick a couple up then.. my 10rd stick mags are SO long lol
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Might have to pick a couple up then.. my 10rd stick mags are SO long lol
The 10 rd Promags work great, but be aware that you need to fit them to your specific gun. It comes with instructions on how to do it.
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Just buy an ITT Enidine Stock Shock buffer and start drilling holes.
Quick question on pinning the stock.. does it have to be pinned at the full extended position? is there a specific length it has to be?
I dont think you could pin it at its fully closed position, cause that wouldnt make sense, but what about half way?
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Quick question on pinning the stock.. does it have to be pinned at the full extended position? is there a specific length it has to be?
I dont think you could pin it at its fully closed position, cause that wouldnt make sense, but what about half way?
Actually, you could pin it fully closed or remove the stock completely. As long as the shotgun is a minimum 26" OAL, you are good to go.
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Might have to pick a couple up then.. my 10rd stick mags are SO long lol
Yea the 10 rd stick mags look sorta funny and can get in the way. I use the 10 rd drums and they work great! I highly recommend them, fitting is really easy if at all necessary. My drums did not require any mods.
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Actually, you could pin it fully closed or remove the stock completely. As long as the shotgun is a minimum 26" OAL, you are good to go.
26" over all? oh man, so I can take the barrel down too?

not like I didnt have enough things I wanted to do, now this hahahaha

looks like i am going to have to get that buffer AND some 10 rd drums

and I JUST ordered a DPH arms skeleton stock
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26" over all? oh man, so I can take the barrel down too?

not like I didnt have enough things I wanted to do, now this hahahaha

looks like i am going to have to get that buffer AND some 10 rd drums

and I JUST ordered a DPH arms skeleton stock
Barrel must be 18" minimum.
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Shotgun laws are different than rifle laws.

What may be a legal configuration for a rifle, may not be legal when applied to a semi-auto shotgun.



Legal if there is no folding/collapsing stock on the semi-auto shotgun.

If the semi-auto shotgun has a folding/collapsing stock, then it can not have a pistol grip, vertical forward grip or a thumbhole stock.
..they are selling an ATI collapsible AND folding with grip (one piece) at Ammos Bros..off the rack...has a push button on the column to flip the stock..

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What about a side folding stock and pistol grip on a pump gun?
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What about a side folding stock and pistol grip on a pump gun?
Perfectly legal with 26" OAL & 18" barrel.
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Quick question on pinning the stock.. does it have to be pinned at the full extended position? is there a specific length it has to be?
I dont think you could pin it at its fully closed position, cause that wouldnt make sense, but what about half way?
We pinned it at 12.5" length of pull.

Just pin it wherever it feels best for you.
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