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Old 12-01-2011, 6:07 PM
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Default Bolt action 20MM CA. legal??

The old lady and I decided to buy our own Christmas gifts this year. So Its time to do a little shop'in. Would anyone happen to know if a 20mm bolt acton is legal in Cali???

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Old 12-01-2011, 6:14 PM
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This one you could own but not a true 20mm.
http://anzioironworks.com/Anzio-20-50.html
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Under CA state laws...

If it's greater than .60 caliber, CA considers it a Destructive Device. [PC 12301(a)(3)]

In order to legally acquire/possess a Destructive Device in CA, you need a CA DOJ Dangerous Weapons Permit for a DD.

Unless you are in the entertainment industry or are a FFL/SOT dealer that sells to Gov/Mil/LE agencies, you have a near impossible chance of being approved for a Dangerous Weapons Permit (you have a better chance of winning the lotto twice, than getting the permit).
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Guess I better start playing the Lotto...
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Or just buy a 510DTC rifle which is really just the same as the 50BMG but legal here. It is made from 50bmg brass run thru the DTC die shortened slightly and fired to blow out the brass. Use 50BMG bullets and load data.
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You can have something between .5 and .6 provided you federally register it as a DD. CA doesn't mind so long as its under .6 as Quiet noted above.

I'd love to find a PTRS-41 Anti Tank Rifle in 14.5mm. Clocks in at ".57"

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You can have something between .5 and .6 thought provided you federally register it as a DD. CA doesn't mind so long as its under .6 as Quiet noted above.

I'd love to find a PTRS-41 Anti Tank Rifle in 14.5mm. Clocks in at ".57"

My friend was showing me some videos of one of those the other night. They are insane!
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I thought this only applies if it does not have a "sporting purpose". An example of the point being say, a .700 Nitro Express double rifle... I read that this is exactly how the .950 JDJ (.50 BMG is for pu$$!#$) was made legal to own.

Though maybe CA has laws specifically against it, sporting purpose or not.
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The old lady and I decided to buy our own Christmas gifts this year. So Its time to do a little shop'in. Would anyone happen to know if a 20mm bolt acton is legal in Cali???

LOL...that guy was getting pushed back almost a foot on every shot!

This monster is super heavy, better store it carefully, or it will crumble under its own weight! I bet gravity will ultimately win over that heavy barrel & bend it

And last time I checked, Dinosaurs were extinct more than 65 million years ago!

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And not likely to be back again, unless in the form of Zombie Dinosaurs!... ... ...

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That guy looks like hes had about enough after the second shot...
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That guy looks like hes had about enough after the second shot...
^^^^ LOL ^^^^ ...

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The old lady and I decided to buy our own Christmas gifts this year. So Its time to do a little shop'in. Would anyone happen to know if a 20mm bolt acton is legal in Cali???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ft2j...eature=related
how is that scope surviving?
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you could do the SSK 14.5mm rifle... (BMG necked UP to 14.5mm), but as pointed out above, the .50DTC would be less expensive in the long run...

http://sskindustries.com/14-5mm-jdj

for less money than the 20mm, you could get a semi-auto .50BMG M2HB beltfed w/M3 tripod and ammo too!

http://www.centralwisconsinarmory.co...PageID=4&Cat=0

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My friend was showing me some videos of one of those the other night. They are insane!
DUDE HOLY SH*T!!!

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No rules on length, so as long as the projectile is under .60 (I thought it was .69 because of shotguns...) its good to go.......

The petals of a Sabot are not included in the diameter of the .60, so find/make some bore riding sabots to fit that 20mm brass and it just became legal!
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Holy moly that thing pushes that guy back about a foot...

I would love to shoot one
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The petals of a Sabot are not included in the diameter of the .60, so find/make some bore riding sabots to fit that 20mm brass and it just became legal!
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12301. (a) The term "destructive device," as used in this chapter, shall include any of the following weapons:
(3) Any weapon of a caliber greater than 0.60 caliber which fires fixed ammunition,
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12301. (a) The term "destructive device," as used in this chapter, shall include any of the following weapons:
(3) Any weapon of a caliber greater than 0.60 caliber which fires fixed ammunition,
Fixed ammo, sabots are not fixed ammo. The projectile riding inside the sabot cannot be larger than .60

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Fixed ammo, sabots are not fixed ammo. The projectile riding inside the sabot cannot be larger than .60

http://www.hornady.com/store/Slugs/
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12301. (a) The term "destructive device," as used in this chapter, shall include any of the following weapons:
(3) Any weapon of a caliber greater than 0.60 caliber which fires fixed ammunition,
A 20mm rifle is a weapon of a caliber greater than .60 and it fires fixed ammunition. It doesn't matter if you shoot blanks through it, or sabots. The rifle can still fire fixed 20mm ammo. The ammo is not really what is regulated here, it is the weapon
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Fixed ammo, sabots are not fixed ammo. The projectile riding inside the sabot cannot be larger than .60

http://www.hornady.com/store/Slugs/
thats not the way the law works. If I have .308 sabot rounds with a .22 core that I fire in my .308 rifle, I have a weapon with a .30 caliber bore. It doesn't matter than the projectile I am currently using is only .22.




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A 20mm rifle is a weapon of a caliber greater than .60 and it fires fixed ammunition. It doesn't matter if you shoot blanks through it, or sabots. The rifle can still fire fixed 20mm ammo. The ammo is not really what is regulated here, it is the weapon
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Get a Barret in M82A1 in .416

How could you not support a company with this motto

The California Legislature has banned the .50 BMG from its good citizens, violating their rights and the constitution of our
republic. Therefore, Barrett will not sell to or service any California government agencies.
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sure, if it was a muzzle loader, otherwise, DD
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Get a Barret in M82A1 in .416

How could you not support a company with this motto

The California Legislature has banned the .50 BMG from its good citizens, violating their rights and the constitution of our
republic. Therefore, Barrett will not sell to or service any California government agencies.
Why? There are much better options for bigbore guns than the .416 or the M82 platform.
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Why? There are much better options for bigbore guns than the .416 or the M82 platform.
No kidding.

As for 20mm, you CAN get an sporting exemption from the ATF, but it's not a simple process.
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Why? There are much better options for bigbore guns than the .416 or the M82 platform.
Do explain please.
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Where are you going to shoot a 20mm rifle that takes advantage of a round like that?
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Do explain please.
The M82 is a recoil operated rifle which means the barrel slides back to cycle the action. It's precision potential will never be as good as a fixed barrel rifle.
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It's also worth noting here the difference between fixed and semi-fixed ammunition ... has anyone ever tried making a massively large-bore rifle with semi-fixed ammunition? No, I'm not talking about 105s or 5"/54 or anything stupid like that ... 20mm, 30mm, etc.
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I've heard of people building 20mm and 30mm "bag" guns exactly like that and that they weren't considered federal DD's.

breech is opened, projectile loaded into breech followed by a bag of powder, breech closed and then fired via fuse or some sort of primer method.
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