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Lightbulb Army Rangers vs Navy SEALs: Who would win in a one-on-one or squad-based fight?

As some of you may know, I will be enlisting in the Army by 2014 (When I am around 23-24), I am actively changing my diet and exercise routine so that I will be prepared for BCT.

But that aside...

I have been thinking about this match-up for quite a while, and I was surprised that the TV show "Deadliest Warrior" didn't do such a match-up on them head-to-head(They did the Rangers and SEALs against separate fighters though). And while I highly doubt the show's accuracy when it came to statistics and techniques, it definitely got me thinking...

If the US Army Rangers were to go up against the US Navy SEALs in either a one-on-one or squad-based fight in which there were almost no restrictions as to what weapons, vehicles, or equipment that could be deployed. The only exceptions are heavy armor (M1A2 tanks, light armor such as the Bradley is OK), fast-mover support (Jets) bona-fide WMDs (Nukes, ICBMs etc. the big stuff).

Who would come out on top? Or would it be too close to call considering they are both Special Operations groups and pretty much have equal training and adaptability?

Both can operate on any terrain, any body of water, any airspace (Though the SEALs are heavily water based as far as their training goes from what I've seen).

Both can deploy within a very short period of time to almost any location on the planet.

Both are 2 of the finest groups of warriors this world will ever know.




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since they use or have access to the same weapons it would come down to training. Since they are both the best of the best.....it'd be a toss up.

the real winner would be the terrorists for pitting our armed forces against each other.....
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No offense, but this is just as dumb as that Deadliest Warrior episode.

There's no real way of telling since every individual will vary. No amount of training in the world can guarantee victory. If that was the case, then we would not have operators getting killed by lets say.... a taliban opposition(who has less sophisticated training).

Remember that movie "The Rock" with Sean Connery and Nick Cage? The scene where the seals were below ground and the Marines had the elevation. Since SEALS is a specialty group and lets just say that their Marine opposition were just regular infantry, then the SEALs have the advantage. But it didn't end up that way, the Marines had the advantage by having the higher ground and they capitalized on it, taking out every member of that SEAL team.. Its a ridiculous example, I know but I hope that gives you an idea of just because the training is superior, it will not guarantee victory all of the time.
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My answer would be the Marines. We trained in Coronado with the SEAL instructors on the boat package, we trained in South Korea in mountain warfare/rappelling package, we conducted GAIT training in Okinawa preparing for Lebanon, Bridgeport and Alaska coldweather package, lots of water training and helo casting in Hawaii and desert training 29 Palms when middle east became important. Therefore, we were versatile just due to the units I was stationed with, no "specialty group" even though I was assigned to Joint Special Operation Commands with all military branches "Special Forces". As far as the Army Rangers and Navy SEALs it would come down to intel.
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Navy Seals should be compare to Green Beret,not Army Rangers
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I thought it was the Rangers who were top of the line in the Army? GBs a close second?
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Being in the AF I noticed a lot of guys... AF, Marines, Army and Navy... all wanted to pit each branch against each other. In the end we were all young and dumb trying to prove something. With age you will learn that no matter what branch and which job you have it means something to the country. If your driving a bus that gets Rangers back and forth to training your contributing to the mission. After you get out you will find that we are pretty much always forgotten, but we don't do it for recognition or because we want to get out and say we were a Seal or a Ranger, but rather to say we served our country (and that is branch agnostic).
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I thought it was the Rangers who were top of the line in the Army? GBs a close second?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ifference.html



The Green Berets practice "unconventional warfare" in its many forms, according to the group's Web site. The Green Berets are organized into elite commando units, each consisting of 12 members, which conduct stealth raids and ambushes. In addition to direct combat, Green Berets are trained for guerrilla war, sabotage, and subversion. An aspiring Green Beret must serve about three years in the Army before applying. From there, he enters a two-yearlong "pipeline" before being assigned to an operational group. Every Green Beret must learn to speak a foreign language.





Army Rangers are light infantrymen that perform many of the same duties as the Green Berets--raids, ambushes, and airfield seizures "by land, by sea, or by air." Any 18-year-old male may apply to the Rangers when enlisting. The specialized training takes one and a half to two years. The first Ranger battalion was activated in Carrickfergus, Ireland, in 1942.





The elite and supersecret Delta Force handles counterterrorism assignments. Quartered in a remote section of Fort Bragg, the group culls the majority of its recruits--sometimes fewer than 50 per year--from the Rangers and the Green Berets
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Rangers are specialized light Infantry. You go 14 weeks of Infantry OSUT, 3 weeks at Airborne school, then 8 weeks at RASP. You are than an Army Ranger. SEAL's have way more training before they are given the title. But in a fight? Who knows ?
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The Green Berets practice "unconventional warfare" in its many forms, according to the group's Web site. The Green Berets are organized into elite commando units, each consisting of 12 members, which conduct stealth raids and ambushes. In addition to direct combat, Green Berets are trained for guerrilla war, sabotage, and subversion. An aspiring Green Beret must serve about three years in the Army before applying. From there, he enters a two-yearlong "pipeline" before being assigned to an operational group. Every Green Beret must learn to speak a foreign language.
Bleh.
You can (or could as of 2003- ?) Enter for the 18xray program straight out of high school. Green Berets are nothing like Navy Seals. While they do train in light infantry tactics, HALO/HAHO/blahblahblah, their mission is completely different. Their main job is to go in, train local militia/insurgents who in turn, turn around and train more. This is why they're known as force multipliers. This is why they were vital in linking up and working with Afghani Militia during the Afghanistan invasion. Yeah they can also do ambushes/raids/whatever. Look at SOG in Vietnam, but even then it was 3 american's with a montagnard or Yung(i think) team.


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Army Rangers are light infantrymen that perform many of the same duties as the Green Berets--raids, ambushes, and airfield seizures "by land, by sea, or by air." Any 18-year-old male may apply to the Rangers when enlisting. The specialized training takes one and a half to two years. The first Ranger battalion was activated in Carrickfergus, Ireland, in 1942.
Supposedly each battalion gets as much funding as the 82nd airborne division but I don't know if thats true. I'd still put my old B-Co 3/505 PIR up against any ranger company and expect a draw. They do have SCUBA teams, and a few other cool guy stuff we didn't since they fall under SOCOM now. Airfield seizures are also a key job of the 82nd Airborne and 173rd Airborne.
Battalion does a lot of missions with CAG pulling security while they take down buildings.

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Not really much to add there, other then my battalion had a kid pass selection at 21 I think it was. I believe he had to go through the Green Beeny training pipeline first though because they wanted him to mature, but got to skip selection.
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a team of navy seabeas and 1 army reserve cook..... & a national guard pay clerk for the win.
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Don't you mean a squad of water purification national guard guys FTW?
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[QUOTE=Gryff;7587728]Jeez, that's easy....Ventura.

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As some of you may know, I will be enlisting in the Army by 2014 (When I am around 23-24), I am actively changing my diet and exercise routine so that I will be prepared for BCT.

But that aside...

I have been thinking about this match-up for quite a while, and I was surprised that the TV show "Deadliest Warrior" didn't do such a match-up on them head-to-head(They did the Rangers and SEALs against separate fighters though). And while I highly doubt the show's accuracy when it came to statistics and techniques, it definitely got me thinking...

If the US Army Rangers were to go up against the US Navy SEALs in either a one-on-one or squad-based fight in which there were almost no restrictions as to what weapons, vehicles, or equipment that could be deployed. The only exceptions are heavy armor (M1A2 tanks, light armor such as the Bradley is OK), fast-mover support (Jets) bona-fide WMDs (Nukes, ICBMs etc. the big stuff).

Who would come out on top? Or would it be too close to call considering they are both Special Operations groups and pretty much have equal training and adaptability?

Both can operate on any terrain, any body of water, any airspace (Though the SEALs are heavily water based as far as their training goes from what I've seen).

Both can deploy within a very short period of time to almost any location on the planet.

Both are 2 of the finest groups of warriors this world will ever know.




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I'm not sure if it'll be safe to do that...

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Rangers VS SEALs?

You guys are making this way too complicated.

The answer is who ever has the element of surprise.

Think about it, they are equally good at their jobs and there are so many variables to account for.

But if a squad were waiting in near ambush with 240b's and claymores then the other squad would lose no matter how skilled they are.

*click *click BOOM!!! with a hellstorm of 7.62mm to finish off what's left.

Nobody would survive that mad minute.

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Rangers VS SEALs?

You guys are making this way too complicated.

The answer is who ever has the element of surprise.

Think about it, they are equally good at their jobs and there are so many variables to account for.

But if a squad were waiting in near ambush with 240b's and claymores then the other squad would lose no matter how skilled they are.

*click *click BOOM!!! with a hellstorm of 7.62mm to finish off what's left.

Nobody would survive that mad minute.
this...although I wasnt impressed with the power of claymores as much as I thought I would.
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Depends on the fight, the terrain, the objective, and which Ranger and Seal units you are talking about. More often than not it's like saying who would win a fight between Van Dam and Van Damn (yes I said the same guy both times). Most are equal in training (despite the hype surround the Seals). For every Seal unit that does something, there is an Army unit that does pretty much the same thing. The Seal Team formerly known as Seal Team Six has the Army equivelent of Delta Force...who makes up Delta? Mostly Rangers. The difference being the Army likes to split their units up and call them different things on an orgizational level so people get used to thinking of them as different animals. The Navy not so much.

In both the Rangers and the Seals it is possible to become a Ranger or a Seal and then get assigned to a less than galmorous job where those skills are barely utilized if at all. However, more often than not you are sent to a specialized unit where you receive considerable specialized training. That training NEVER stops. When you are not deployed, you train. You also go into specific training cycles where you are not deployable. That continues throughout your career.

There are exceptions to every rule, but to say Rangers just get their tab and are done with it while Seals continue with their training is inaccurate. It might be a little easier to get the tab than a trident (though I am not entirely convinced of that) but your life doesn't suddenly get easier once you have it. Not if you are actively serving as a Ranger in a Ranger unit.

The career path and life of a Ranger is almost identical to a Seal. Similar opportunities exist to shine or stall out. There are some very specialized Ranger units that do some very specialized things. Just like there are some very specialized Seal units that do some very specialized things. Then there are other units that by comparison to Delta or the team formerly called Team Six are darn right utilitarian. It is also possible to earn your tab or trident and then spend the rest of your career in a non-special operations unit. Happens more often than you would think.

Just a little FYI for the fanboys of each...the Rangers and the Seals each have units that are open to members of other services from a variety of specialities. So you'll see Navy, Marines, and Air Force guys serving as actual Army Rangers just as you will see Army, Air Force, and Marines serving as actual Navy Seals. Sounds really strange and most people who are NOT a Ranger or a Seal don't know that or believe it when they are first told. But it is true.

To confuse matters even more, both the Seals and Rangers will routinely deploy with Special Operators from the United States Air Force called Combat Controllers or Pararescue. It has always been that way, as the medals awarded during past operations like Panama show (Pararescue guy saved the lives of both Seals and Rangers while taking fire and getting shot several times himself yet he kept right on treating them like the battle field was a hospital ER and nothing was wrong) the practice has gained a lot more notarity lately. So sometimes that Air Force guy is on loan to them, other times he is actually a Ranger or a Seal. The presence of a tab or trident is a big clue. I admit, it is really odd to see an Army guy with a Seal Trident on his chest, but it happens. So be careful before you assume he is a poser...because he can kill you with his pinky finger about 1000 different ways.

A lot of fan boys are about to disogree with me, but you can look it up.

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Depends on the fight, the terrain, the objective, and which Ranger and Seal units you are talking about. More often than not it's like saying who would win a fight between Van Dam and Van Damn. Most are equal in training (despite the hype surround the Seals). For every Seal unit that does something, there is an Army unit that does pretty much the same thing. The Seal Team formerly known as Seal Team Six has the Army equivelent of Delta Force...who makes up Delta? Mostly Rangers. The difference being the Army likes to split their units up and call them different things from an orgizational level so people get used to thinking of them as different animals. The Navy not so much.

In both the Rangers and the Seals it is possible to become a Ranger or a Seal and then get assigned to a less than galmorous job where those skills are barely utilized if at all. However, more often than not you are sent to a specialized unit where you receive considerable specialized training. That training NEVER stops. When you are not deployed, you train. You also go into specific training cycles where you are not deployable. That continues throughout your career. There are exceptions to every rule, but to say Rangers just get their tab and are done with it while Seals continue with their training is inaccurate. It might be a little easier to get the tab than a trident (though I am not entirely convinced of that) but your life doesn't suddenly get easier once you have it. Not if you are actively serving as a Ranger in a Ranger unit. The career path and life of a Ranger is almost identical to a Seal. Similar opportunities exist to shine or stall out.

There are some very specialized Ranger units that do some very specialized things. Just like there are some very specialized Seal units that do some very specialized things. One is example is that both the Rangers and the Seals have a unit that is open to members of other services from a variety of specialities. So you'll see Navy, Marines, and Air Force guys serving as actual Rangers just as you will see Army, Air Force, and Marines serving as Navy Seals. Sounds really strange and most people who are NOT a Ranger or a Seal don't know that or believe it when they are first told. But it is true.
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Depends on the fight, the terrain, the objective, and which Ranger and Seal units you are talking about. More often than not it's like saying who would win a fight between Van Dam and Van Damn (yes I said the same guy both times). Most are equal in training (despite the hype surround the Seals). For every Seal unit that does something, there is an Army unit that does pretty much the same thing. The Seal Team formerly known as Seal Team Six has the Army equivelent of Delta Force...who makes up Delta? Mostly Rangers. The difference being the Army likes to split their units up and call them different things on an orgizational level so people get used to thinking of them as different animals. The Navy not so much.

In both the Rangers and the Seals it is possible to become a Ranger or a Seal and then get assigned to a less than galmorous job where those skills are barely utilized if at all. However, more often than not you are sent to a specialized unit where you receive considerable specialized training. That training NEVER stops. When you are not deployed, you train. You also go into specific training cycles where you are not deployable. That continues throughout your career.

There are exceptions to every rule, but to say Rangers just get their tab and are done with it while Seals continue with their training is inaccurate. It might be a little easier to get the tab than a trident (though I am not entirely convinced of that) but your life doesn't suddenly get easier once you have it. Not if you are actively serving as a Ranger in a Ranger unit.

The career path and life of a Ranger is almost identical to a Seal. Similar opportunities exist to shine or stall out. There are some very specialized Ranger units that do some very specialized things. Just like there are some very specialized Seal units that do some very specialized things. Then there are other units that by comparison to Delta or the team formerly called Team Six are darn right utilitarian. It is also possible to earn your tab or trident and then spend the rest of your career in a non-special operations unit. Happens more often than you would think.

Just a little FYI for the fanboys of each...the Rangers and the Seals each have units that are open to members of other services from a variety of specialities. So you'll see Navy, Marines, and Air Force guys serving as actual Army Rangers just as you will see Army, Air Force, and Marines serving as actual Navy Seals. Sounds really strange and most people who are NOT a Ranger or a Seal don't know that or believe it when they are first told. But it is true.

To confuse matters even more, both the Seals and Rangers will routinely deploy with Special Operators from the United States Air Force called Combat Controllers or Pararescue. It has always been that way, as the medals awarded during past operations like Panama show (Pararescue guy saved the lives of both Seals and Rangers while taking fire and getting shot several times himself yet he kept right on treating them like the battle field was a hospital ER and nothing was wrong) the practice has gained a lot more notarity lately. So sometimes that Air Force guy is on loan to them, other times he is actually a Ranger or a Seal. The presence of a tab or trident is a big clue. I admit, it is really odd to see an Army guy with a Seal Trident on his chest, but it happens. So be careful before you assume he is a poser...because he can kill you with his pinky finger about 1000 different ways.

A lot of fan boys are about to disogree with me, but you can look it up.
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since they use or have access to the same weapons it would come down to training. Since they are both the best of the best.....it'd be a toss up.

the real winner would be the terrorists for pitting our armed forces against each other.....
It IS a hypothetical match-up.

Terrorists stand next to no chance against these guys combined
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With the result of:

100% All the Spec Ops units have something to offer. To say one or the other would win at anything unless you've been through the process and have worn the Trident or Tab makes you completely clueless!!!!!
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Depends on the fight, the terrain, the objective, and which Ranger and Seal units you are talking about. ...
^^^ This more than anything else. There are environments and mission for which any particular force is better trained and better suited than some other. You also can't ever account for the "wants it bad enough" factor which is entirely a matter of personal character and aptitude. It is also true that "the race does not always go to the swift, nor the battle to the strong"
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Pics or it didn't happen. JK, good post.
Haha, probably not going to see all that many actual pictures from the field, but you can read about them in non-fiction books. There are actually several former Air Force Commandos here on Calguns.net.

Kill Bin Laden, The Guts to Try, and Roberts Ridge all discuss the contributions of Air Force Special Operations to other more well known Special Opertions units. Kill Bin Laden (one of my favorite books) has Air Force guys deployed with Delta Force. Only breifly discusses them and they are from a unit I'd never heard of...which in itself is surprising since I'm an Air Force guy. The Guts to Try (if I am thinking of the right book) goes into considerable detail about USAF Special Operations including the Panama Operation where the Pararescue guy continued working on Rangers and Seals while taking fire and getting hit a couple times. Roberts Ridge talks about a Seal Team that had a Combat Controller assigned to them when a seal fell out of the helicopter onto a ridge infested with Taliban and their failed attempt to rescue him (everyone on the team was killed in the rescue attempt).

There are several Hollywood movies about the Seal Team (don't know the number) that is open to other services. The movies are fiction but the team exists. [I]GI Jane /I] and Behind Enemy Lines 2 come to mind. Both have Army Guys in the Seal Team. Something that is easy to miss if you were not paying close attention.

I deployed with the Ranger Unit that was open to other services back when I was a young airman. The Air Force team member handed me a card and told me to contact him when we got back to the states if I was interested. The process just to apply was complicated. You had to be a certain rank, certain age, come from a needed specialty (open to more of them than you would think), and be recommended by a supervisor who if you were any good probably would be hesitant to let you go. Sadly my vision disqualified me right out of the gate. I had a waiver just to be in the unit I was in. But I can take a small measure of pride in the fact that somebody in that community was impressed with me enough to hand me his card...and that I got to work with those guys at all, even if only in a VERY minor supporting role.

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Who ever gets the tac nuke first.
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