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Old 11-29-2011, 4:56 PM
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I dont really know what to say but here goes my story...

My glass heart shattered toda. It was about 3 months ago when i found out about the Black Rifle Disease (BRD) and right at that moment i knew i had it in me. I've done my research on what is good and what is to avoid, i really have a passion towards owning/collecting and shooting guns and all the things that comes in between. Im a quality over quantity kind of person, i would rather own a few but great quality guns. with that said i dont think this one pass the test...


This is a Noveske upper, are they suppose to come like this brand new? People and my research tell me Noveske is the superior quality in the name of AR and no one comes close. I worked hard and paid serious $$$$ for this. i didnt care how much it cost i just wanted to have a really good quality firearm am i asking for too much?

The barrel had blemishes and imperfection, believe me i tried hard to get that off i thought it would go away with oil i rubbed and rubbed but never went away. I believe its a cosmetic defect / discoloration. The bullet extraction door was badly scratched up too and had nicks showing the blue finish came off.





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I asked a couple of friends to come over with their ARs they brought LMT and BCM for me to see and i was surprise at the quality of theirs. they paid way less for their brand. LMT also came with the nicest charging handle ive ever seen.
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The door is supposed to look like that. :P

Have you tried calling Noveske and asking them to make it right?

On a side note: It's a gun, if it was meant to be pretty, it would wear a dress and lipstick.
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The door is supposed to look like that. :P

Have you tried calling Noveske and asking them to make it right?
I called several times today. No answered i left voice mail no response.

As for the door, is that it really normal to have nicks? looked like something hard poked it, the blueing came off. i think this will get bigger in the future.
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I.. uh. Well..

The dust cover is a very cheap part, I doubt Noveske machines their own from Moon gold or something. As for the barrel, if it were me I would just shoot it hard and see if it bakes off. If not, whatever. I appreciate maybe you are collecting the gun and maybe they will exchange it for you, but just be aware when you hear people discuss the quality of a rifle these are not the things they're talking about.

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Nope... when I was young... I do clearly remember the pig wearing a dress and lipstick in the bar... about 2 hours into the whiskey and beer, the pig disappeared... in its stead stood a beautiful bombshell wearing a dress and lipstick.
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I.. uh. Well..

The dust cover is a very cheap part, I doubt Noveske machines their own from Moon gold or something. As for the barrel, if it were me I would just shoot it hard and see if it bakes off. If not, whatever. I appreciate maybe you are collecting the gun and maybe they will exchange it for you, but just be aware when you hear people discuss the quality of a rifle these are not the things they're talking about.

Also: You trollin', bro?
me? No. Im just sharing my own experience im not trolling bro.

I did try removing the stuff but it wont come off its barrel cosmetic defect. I am well aware of a good quality firearm i like quality not quantity. I just dont know what to do from here
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OH MY GOSH NOVESKE IS TERRIBLE!!! HOW COULD THIS POSSIBLY HAPPEN TO MY OVERPRICED UPPER?!?! I PAID FOR PERFECTION!!!

Honestly, this should show a couple things:

1) Noveske is just as susceptible to screw ups as any other company. Yes, that means you too, you die hard HK416 fans!

2) More money doesnt always mean assured quality

Dont get me wrong, Noveske makes a dang fine rifle....but I am not disillusioned into believing that they are perfect or somehow vastly superior to many other similar products.

OP, the barrel is the only reason to possibly return it. Nothing else wrong with this upper. Sorry you have now been un-disillusioned now....
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Ok here's the honest reply.

The Dust cover, they will not replace it. It's suppose to look like that.

The barrel discoloration... just keep trying to get ahold of them, maybe they will change it out for you.

If I bought this rifle to collect and keep in a safe, I'd not want such blemishes... however if I plan to shoot it, I would not care.
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for what they charge (too much) they really ought to do what it takes to make you happy. If that means changing barrel and installing the prettiest dust cover they can find I don't see why that would be a problem considering the ridiculous price of their products. There really isn't too much craftsmanship that goes into an AR, if they have people willing to pay their prices they really ought to treat them right.
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The thing about the dust cover door.

EVERY SINGLE ONE I've ever ordered, looked exactly the same no matter who's name was on the package.
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for what they charge (too much) they really ought to do what it takes to make you happy. If that means changing barrel and installing the prettiest dust cover they can find I don't see why that would be a problem considering the ridiculous price of their products. There really isn't too much craftsmanship that goes into an AR, if they have people willing to pay their prices they really ought to treat them right.
Thank you for understanding.

Forget about the door. I just want a nice barrel.
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To me, my ARs are shooting tools. I fondle my 1911 Kimber like it's a fragile and pretty girl, but my ARs are tough rednecks that can take a beating. They're battle rifles (not that they'll ever see one, unless the zombies show up).

What you are documenting here is really pretty minor. It's not like there is a major scratch or dent on that upper.

I do have some high quality parts on my rifles. But I don't expect cosmetic perfection, even from LaRue or Noveske. I just want something sturdy and reliable, built like a tank, that will shoot 100s of rounds or more (depending on the part) in all sorts of conditions. Your barrel will get banged up. Your handguard will get nicked. Your buttstock will get dented. Discoloration, scratches, wear - it's gonna happen in a matter of months provided you shoot that thing on a regular basis. And considering how much you paid, you'd better be putting hundreds of rounds through that barrel a year (if not thousands), otherwise, you might as well sell it.

ARs are not collectors' pieces unless they have some history. Shoot it. That girl is meant to see some action, get some scars, and that will just give her more character.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. I don't see a reason to call Noveske here. Unless your barrel shoots like crap.
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for what they charge (too much) they really ought to do what it takes to make you happy. If that means changing barrel and installing the prettiest dust cover they can find I don't see why that would be a problem considering the ridiculous price of their products. There really isn't too much craftsmanship that goes into an AR, if they have people willing to pay their prices they really ought to treat them right.
Agreed. If this was for a $500 uppers i'd say nothing, but for Noveske at the prices they charge well....
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politely, and i do understand your points, it should be perfect.

Reality.

Take your rifle, throw it in the dirt. in the mud. pee on it. rub and rub all that grime into it. it is seasoned then. THAT is the quality the ppl are referring to in quality rifles, imho.

I do appreciate the fact you purchased that fine rifle to be sure.


its kinda like this.




And i am not being sarcastic. It is a weapon.

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for what they charge (too much) they really ought to do what it takes to make you happy. If that means changing barrel and installing the prettiest dust cover they can find I don't see why that would be a problem considering the ridiculous price of their products. There really isn't too much craftsmanship that goes into an AR, if they have people willing to pay their prices they really ought to treat them right.
This is your answer.

The Draco and Polish UF I got looks way better than that and for the price of the Noveske you could have bought both of those.
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To OP, you deserve a perfect rifle for the top $ you paid, I'm the same way, I rather receive it perfect and scratch it myself rather than paying top $ and receive it with blems, I suggest you call Noveske and demand a replacement

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I'm with ya, hyperion...

My Spikes looks nicer than that and I am sure you paid at least double for yours. I would want a first quality rifle (fit, finish and performance) for the top quality dollars you paid.

You can always scrape, ding, dirty the rifle yourself...if thats what you want to do. My two Lincolns.

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ok i'll add my .02 but first did you try to clean the barrel it looks like its some kind of liquid residue?

as for what i think i have one and its perfect well it was (i dont need/want a safe queen) now mine was a higher end model but that may or may not have something to do with it.
your asking about QC on one of their lower end models I dont expect them to be 100% i expect them to to be what they are a work horse.

and lastly you have posted pics of internal moving parts ( the charging handle ) that are subject to wear do you really expect it not to be a little marked? also along the same line you also posted a pic of where the troy ( an expensive part to add to the over all expense of the "expensive" upper ) rests/sits/rubs on the receiver. I would be willing to bet that all uppers that have a troy mounted have that same mark.

so call them if you want I would go shoot it
or change what pretty things i would invest my money in maybe gold it doesn't rust or tarnish and its shiny
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I'm with ya, hyperion...

My Spikes looks nicer than that and I am sure you paid at least double for yours. I would want a first quality rifle (fit, finish and performance) for the top quality dollars you paid.

You can always scrape, ding, dirty the rifle yourself...if thats what you want to do. My two Lincolns.

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That too is what i want. I only ask for a quality AR15 for the price i paid. This will be my first ever AR ever. When im old i want to remember this gun, my first gun build and knowing that i put it together myself i will carry the memory like its a piece of me. Thank you for understanding Robert.

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As an appreciator of finely crafted objects, I get your concerns. That dust cover, yes, they all look like that. The barrel. Well, it's a parkerized finish. If it were a nice colt or S&W deep blue, high gloss finish, I'd say you would have a very valid complaint. On a parked finish Ar, I'd say it is acceptable. You'll notice finish imperfections on Acog and Elcan optics too. 50 dollar chicom optics have a nicer looking finish out of the box than a 2000$ Elcan. That's not where the "quality" lies in either of these objects. The quality is in performance. The reliability. My knights SR 15 upper, which was certainly not cheap, has a few handling and testing marks out of the box. No biggy. It'll get a bunch more getting used. Not abused thrown in the gravel, just shooting, cleaning, the occasional bump into something. I'd just shoot it, enjoy it, and appreciate the fact you own a very reliable and accurate Ar.
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I dont really know what to say but here goes my story...

My glass heart shattered toda. It was about 3 months ago when i found out about the Black Rifle Disease (BRD) and right at that moment i knew i had it in me. I've done my research on what is good and what is to avoid, i really have a passion towards owning/collecting and shooting guns and all the things that comes in between. Im a quality over quantity kind of person, i would rather own a few but great quality guns. with that said i dont think this one pass the test...


This is a Noveske upper, are they suppose to come like this brand new? People and my research tell me Noveske is the superior quality in the name of AR and no one comes close. I worked hard and paid serious $$$$ for this. i didnt care how much it cost i just wanted to have a really good quality firearm am i asking for too much?

The barrel had blemishes and imperfection, believe me i tried hard to get that off i thought it would go away with oil i rubbed and rubbed but never went away. I believe its a cosmetic defect / discoloration. The bullet extraction door was badly scratched up too and had nicks showing the blue finish came off.





You may as well junk that thing, there's no way in hell it's gonna hit the broad side of a barn now!
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Funny how people react because if this was a cheaper upper (DPMS, etc.) people would say thats typical quality and how you get what you pay for. Oh but when its a Noveske its not a big deal and just a tool.

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If i paid that much for a rifle it better come to me in perfect unblemished condition. If anyone is going to dent it, drop it, scratch it, piss on it until it changes colors it's going to be me.

Would you guys buy a brand new car with scratches from the factory? Because lets face it scratches and dents happen to automobiles anyways right?
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if I paid that much for a xmas tree ornament I would be worried.
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Funny how people react because if this was a cheaper upper (DPMS, etc.) people would say thats typical quality and how you get what you pay for. Oh but when its a Noveske its not a big deal and just a tool.

Ignorance....
+1, that seems to be the mindset
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Old 11-29-2011, 7:15 PM
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Funny how people react because if this was a cheaper upper (DPMS, etc.) people would say thats typical quality and how you get what you pay for. Oh but when its a Noveske its not a big deal and just a tool.

Ignorance....

Your right.
I sound rough, tough, cool and have all the experience by saying it's a "tool".

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I'm not gonna lie, if it was a DD, LMT, BCM, etc I wouldn't care. They're top notch tools meant to be used and abused. But a Noveske, I'd pamper it. (Don't own a Noveske, only DD and some other stuff). IMHO, Noveske is the BBQ gun of AR's.
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Man, your really going to hate it once you start shooting it. Cant wait for the "Why is my shell deflector discoloring?" thread.
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Did you purchase that directly from Noveske? You purchased this directly from a retailer or from an individual?

Could be that someone shot it, returned it and it was sold on to you as "NIB" when it really wasn't.

The dust cover on all of my AR's came like yours, all scratched up. If it were only that I'd just replace it with one of those fancy one's that have messages on them.

I understand the whole "my gun is a tool" mentality but when you pay $2K+ for a Noveske, you expect to use it and abuse it yourself and for it to not come like that from factory.

I've dealt with Noveske customer service many times. They're great, in my opinion they were either extremely busy today or maybe they weren't even in the office? Give them another call tomorrow.

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So return that way overpriced upper and go buy a Spikes, CMMG, BCM, etc. Half the cost and the finish will be at least that good that you got.

If you really want something cool and pretty to look at, look into a Yankee Hill Machine upper with their diamond fluted barrels. Same high quality like Noveske, but without the whore house prices.
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Man, your really going to hate it once you start shooting it. Cant wait for the "Why is my shell deflector discoloring?" thread.
Y'know, I said the same exact think after I ran my Novekse in a two gun course. "Why is my shell deflector discoloring?"

Seriously, the OP should really try to contact John Noveske and let them know about the blemishes to at lease make ammends with you (fixing it/replacing it) and improve on their own quality control.

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If i paid that much for a rifle it better come to me in perfect unblemished condition. If anyone is going to dent it, drop it, scratch it, piss on it until it changes colors it's going to be me.

Would you guys buy a brand new car with scratches from the factory? Because lets face it scratches and dents happen to automobiles anyways right?
My thoughts exactly.
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