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Old 11-26-2011, 2:43 PM
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Arrow (UPDATED PIX from sac valley/click on sig) spencerk's Remington 700 Progression

So yesterday was black friday and i decided to go to bass pro shops for the first time and made the drive to stockton to check it out... There had to be 1000 people in that store. They were taking numbers just at the gun counter and were almost 100 behind. I had 30 and they were on 40... Time to wait for 3 hours just to hold a rifle... After looking at 5 or 6 blts and a handi rifle, i decided on the remington 700 in .243 with a camo stock for 520 after fees. Also got a one piece scope mount and a nikon prostaff 3-9x40mm scope. I almoat got the rifle in .308 because i have 500 rounds of brown bear ammo just sitting on my desk lol. But i really like .2xx series callibers. I have an easier time hitting steel plates at 800 yards with .243 than i so with .308 tho.
Plus if i ever wanted a .308 it wouldnt be hard to rebarrel it. Im going to be a gunsmith so ill be able to do this stuff at SCHOOL lol. Plus i want to use this for deer and coyote and a .308 will destroy coyote fur unless your using an fmj. And i love small game hunting for pest control (i dont like killing animals, i like the challenge of hitting a moving target and only do it to control rodents and pests in my buddies land. If it wasnt me doing it, it would be somebody else either way) and .243 seems to be the best all around cartrige in my opinion. At least for the amount of recoil it has.

Plus it came with a sling, and plano hardcase that fits a scoped rifle. Way nicer than the case i got for my mauser.

Did i pay for it? Nope. My dad did. He did it as a suprize xmas gift. He is the greatest. He almost insisted on me getting a $550 tikka t3, but i needed the 700 for gunsmithing school. But damn those beretta's are nice.

Now all i have to do is wait til the sixth... God this hurts. Lol
Heres the only pic i felt like taking. I had been awake for over 48 straight hours at that point, So i dednt really feel like waiting any longer. Paperwork took over an hour though which seems a little odd.... O well the rifle is mine

I havnt been this happy since the day i fell in love with my lady. Now it feels like i might be having a love affair with a new lady, Ms. 700:

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Lemme know what you think. I think im going to repaint and refinish the stock. It sadly has an airsoft gun looking seamline on its stock and it kinda bugs me. Lol. Other than that i love it.

Btw i dont get why my rifle has a matt finish on the bolt when the other 700's had a polished bolt. Is there any real reason for that other than looks?

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Old 11-26-2011, 3:06 PM
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If you are happy with it that is what is important! Enjoy the gun and good luck with your gunsmithing school!
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If you noticed the price of those rifles with the shiny bolts are probley a lot more than your sps. Remember the sps is the low grade of the 700. Not that their is anything wrong with the sps I own 4 of them
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Congrats.
Remington 700 is always a good choice (.243 is nice choice too)
You may want to try .22-250 for dedicated varmint shooting.
I have Rem 700 Varmint Special in .22-250 from early 80s that still shoots great.

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Congrats. Personally I like the matte black better on all my firearms (I ain't entering no beauty shows), but I might be in the minority.
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congratulations, and kudos to your dad.
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Congrats.
Remington 700 is always a good choice (.243 is nice choice too)
You may want to try .22-250 for dedicated varmint shooting.
I have Rem 700 Varmint Special in .22-250 from early 80s that still shoots great.
I was thinking about it but i like the added weight. I can use it as a trail gun for protection from cougars (i recently got attacked but got away with only being injuried from jumping off really high embankments and running straight through bushes to get to my car about 200 yards away it circled around because of my attempts at giving it obsticals to hinder its progress. It overshot me at first which is what saved my life i think. Ill give you more info if you want its just a long story). Im a good shot without looking down sights so im not worried about placement. Any good reccomendations for trail ammo and for plinking ammo too? Also what about a good bipod? Im not worried about the weight. Im 6'2 and pretty strong and when i first healed the rifle i assumed it woild be heavier and was amazed at how light it was. Very suprizing. Id feel more comortable with a heavier gun. Lol
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Congrats.
Remington 700 is always a good choice (.243 is nice choice too)
You may want to try .22-250 for dedicated varmint shooting.
I have Rem 700 Varmint Special in .22-250 from early 80s that still shoots great.
+1...i have the BDL in 22-250

wonderfully accurate rifle...
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Nice. How does .22-250 compare to .243? Like im talking along the lines of max range, energy, and kick
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243 is a great round. You will be happy with it. You can load it for varmint or deer. It is a very adaptable round! Good choice.
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.243 has heavier bullets which should translate to better range, energy, and kick. And bucks the wind better
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Nice. How does .22-250 compare to .243? Like im talking along the lines of max range, energy, and kick
.22-250 is primary used as a varmint cartridge for everything from crow to coyote.
It’s not suitable for larger games as most states have minimum caliber restriction limiting the use for larger games.
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Congrats.....Which scope??
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Old 11-27-2011, 6:54 PM
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Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40mm BDC in matte black. Ill definatly have a picture up the day i get it and hopefully some range results too. i honestly cant believe how light this rifle is tho. my arms lifted up when i picked it up for the first time because of the fact that i was expecting a heavier rifle and overcompensated lol.
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Congrats!

I pick up my 700 AAC-SD on Wednesday or Thursday...don't mean to rub it in. I've just been stoked a few days longer than you.
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Lol its all good. Just searched that up and that looks like a nice one! im starting to see why everybody loves the 700 series rifles, they are plain gorgeous and shoot twice as good as they look.
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Old 11-28-2011, 10:59 PM
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Anybody else wanna post some remington 700 porn for me to look at while im waiting for mine? Lol. I wanna see some "options" lol
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Congrats on your 700! Now for gun porn


Sps tac (alumahyde matte black), cheytac brake, egw hd 30moa base, hs precision stock with Hooper Ordnance DBM. Inletting/befding and barrel painting done by me. Brake and tac knob done by Ken Breda in Aptos.

These pics havent been updated, but it now has flush cups on the left side with a TIS slip cuff sling. Eagle stock pack and riser. stock is in Alumahyde Coyote (magpul shade). Timney trigger and Bushnell 5-15 tac scope with PRI rings and USO level.

It's a bit heavy, but I shoot Fclass more than I hunt. I need to buy another 700 so I dont have to lug this thing all day anymore



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Well i do kill a lot of rodents too, but most of the time i my laying down hehe
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i actually like the feel of heavier guns better. they just feel more solid to me and if worst comes to worst it makes for a great blunt weapon... (had to kill a squirrel with the but of a gun once. i was 100% out of ammo and i had shot it in a non vital area and it was un able to move, i didnt really feel good just letting it suffer).
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i need some new pics and to have my bolt handle threaded. You have some fun when you get it.


IMG_4984 by Tast101, on Flickr


IMG_4977 by Tast101, on Flickr


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Just got the rifle!!! Heading to san leandro to shoot it as i type this message. Ill let you know how it goes!
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Nice congrats, a remington 700 sps 308 owner here!
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Just got the rifle!!! Heading to san leandro to shoot it as i type this message. Ill let you know how it goes!
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hahaha i wasnt driving and texting. my father was driving. i was just sitting there feeling like the kid from a christmas story. lol

the gun shoots great. still trying to zero it in. i managed to get it from the left upper corner to the bullseye in 20 shots and this was my first time zeroing in a high end scope of any kind, especially on a real rifle. made one sub MOA grouping at 100 yards with 100 gr winchester super x. i couldnt be any happier with the rifle (unless i woke up tomorrow morning and it happened to grow a leaoupold 50mm scope with an MSR Chassis... now that would make me go crazy). its amazingly light and handles beautifully. theres some good kick to it but not really. lol. i cant really describe it. it feels like a pillow but has some real muzzlejump while on a rest. i seriously need a bipod though, i cant stand how much it slides around on the rest. i also grabbed a shellholder for it today at basspro. it was a real pisser to get on, but fits perfectly. probably the best $4 i have ever spent

ill get pix up asap. im about to eat dinner so ill get them up around 7 or 8 tonight.
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Congrats!
I have a PSS in 308. You going to Lassen Gunsmithing school?
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Yes i will be attending lassen gunsmithing school this coming august for my first year.. its my dream to be a master gunsmith someday...

heres a couple pix of the new rifle!!!!


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i took another picture at the range today. kind of a last minute decision to go. only shot off 20 rounds but the accurracy was awsome. had another 5 shot sub moa grouping, then my excitement got the best of me and i started shooting all over the place. im still zeroing it in though, so i cant wait to see how well it shoots once my scope is nice and perfectt. lol

i love what this rifle looks like. i never see any like it at the range, but thats probably because they are all out being used to hunt... i love what it looks like with the shellholder.

now all i need is a bipod... im sliding all over the shooting blocks.

o and heres the pic

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Hey everybody! Went to the range friday and had a really good expierence with some very unexpected results from the rile after I got the scope almost completely zeroed in. I had a couple of insane three shot groupings that really showed my skill i feel like. Especially since it was a windy day with gusts around 10 mph on friday.
A fellow calgunner that I met at the range witnessed a few of these groupings. he even let me shoot his mini 14 and the lady he was with let me shoot their mossberg 4x4 30-06, and i even helpe them get it shooting on the paper.

enough of the fun though, heres the suprizing results i had from my remington 700 adl. oh btw, i havnt cleaned it yet and the groupings only got better after every try. maybe it was just me....









man do i loooove that rifle. I think the pictures of the groupings speak for themselves... one is 3 consecutive and one is 4 consecutive. when the wind would pick up i would let it cool my barrel off. (seemed like it took less time to cool)

btw i do know shooting without cleaning can be bad for the rifle. i have since cleaned it and inspected everything and the bore looks perfect and everything else is exactly the way it should be.
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Old 12-11-2011, 9:38 PM
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any opinions on what i should do to it next? im thinking about chopping off 2-4" of barrel and threading it for a muzzlebreak to reduce muzzlejump.
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.243 shouldn't need a muzzle break....... I think you will find that it "jumps" more off a bipod than from a rest. Watch, try to observe how the gun reacts to recoil when shooting. Some movement when on the rest is good. The weapon has to react, it can go back, up, or a combo of both.

Post up the Mauser pics !!!

Congrats on the new rifle and I am sure you are looking forward to the Lassen school. If I may ask, are you local to Susanville or are you going to stay up there for a few weeks ?
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I am currently living in the bay area but the Gunsmithing program at lassen is a 2 year program so thats how long i will be up there... at least...

Heres a link to my mauser thread... its dead at the moment, but in a few months, i will begin work on the .45 acp conversion.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=498054


btw i dont remember even mentioning the mauser in this thread lol. but hey, i gta respect a guy who loves guns. lol.

Im looking at my 700 and i just noticed something disturbing but quite funny... the bore in my barrel is off center but the rifle is shooting like its $500 more expensive than it was. LOL. the looks might be a peeve of mine, but it shoots so well i could care less. btw Will chopping off some barrel length help fix that? it looks like when the barrel was put onto a lathe it wasnt done completely straight but it looks like it is further down the barrel, about 3 inches or so. should i cut off about 4 inches off barrel and make it 19"-20"? I was thinking it might squeeze a bit more accuracy out of it.

btw just measured some more of my groupings and holy crap i forgot to show you my best grouping apparantly. sadly i pasted it into my "secret" book (My personal firearms journal with my designs, calliber ideas, and firearms related things i think of in my dreams... i know, im obsessed...) so im not really able to take a pic of it. but it was a .15 MOA 3 shot consecutive group.
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I'm looking at the pictures of the targets you posted an I'm not seeing sub MOA anything... Just rounds all over and you picking some all over that are kinda close.

I'm not being a jerk. I love your enthusiasm! Just being honest but I doubt you or your rifle are shooting sub quarter inch groups out the box.

Do me a favor, go to the range again but shoot ONLY three shots at each target and re-post em.

Prove me wrong and I'll send you all my guns to work on

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5-shot group is more convincing to be honest.
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thats what i normally do, it was just windy enough that it made it hard to time my shots correctly so whenever the wind picked up and took a bullet away i stopped counting. if it was a more consistant day for wind i would have done 5 shot groups. next time hopefully. And i do understand why 5 shot is better for judging than 3 shot. less luck is involved.

ill be taking it out again this week, probably more than once, to see how well its shooting after a good cleaning.
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I'm looking at the pictures of the targets you posted an I'm not seeing sub MOA anything... Just rounds all over and you picking some all over that are kinda close.

I'm not being a jerk. I love your enthusiasm! Just being honest but I doubt you or your rifle are shooting sub quarter inch groups out the box.

Do me a favor, go to the range again but shoot ONLY three shots at each target and re-post em.

Prove me wrong and I'll send you all my guns to work on

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If u read the whole thread, you would have read that i was still zeroing it in. I was also low on targets. but i do get what you mean. All groupings were shot and counted concecutivly.

I was also letting other people shoot my rifle at my target who havnt even shot that calliber before. and how is a .17 in consecutive grouping not sub MOA? (legitimate question, not sarcasam). is it just because its not 5 shots? my largest consecutive grouping was .5 in.

i did NOT just shoot a bunch of rounds and pick the best groups. i counted every hole every time i shot and made a mental note of where each one was hitting. even the people who watched were suprized by the rifles accuracy.
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So you are going to college .. .. Moving to Susanville, Ca to attend the Mt Lassen Gunsmith school. Excellent !! Stay in touch here.
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You'll learn in gunsmith school that the bore is not and cannot be drilled concentric with a rifle barrel.

A good way to measure groups is to measure outside to outside of the furthest bullet holes. Then subtract the diameter of the bullet. Measuring 5 round group or larger is better to determine accuracy of the rifle.
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Thats the way i measured it then i set the calliper to the actual size. i looked for a formula online thinking it was more complicated than it is lol. But seriously, 3 groups all under an inch (some under .5") shot with a consistant 2-3 mph wind with gusts up to 10mph isnt sub-MOA? (im a seasoned offshore fisherman, i am VERY good at estimating wind speed and where its coming from because i fish in small boats and NEED to be goot at it)

Even Averaged together its less than an inch. those were the only groupings i completed (due to random gusts of wind i was usually stopped on the second shot) with a 3 round minimum baseline. i only tried 5 times and twice the wind gusted while i was attempting to pull the trigger to my heartbeat (not good at it yet. still learning to time it). each time i shot durring a gust. it would fly left and a little up or a little down depending on the speed. the larger group actually is an effect of me adjusting for windage and elevation with a scope for the first time. i messed up on the fifth shot because i twisted the windage knob the wrong way and shot wayyyyy to the right on the other side of the diamond about an inch away. operator error with my scope. if i dialed it correctly i believe i would have kept the same size grouping, but nobody, not even I, will ever know. thats why i called that one a four round grouping. add that in and its still around 1.5-7 moa if i believe. ive already chopped up the target for my range book so measuring is out of the question. 1.5 moa is still respectable in my opinion. good enough to hunt a deer with this calliber. so if you wanna call it 1.5 moa this time, go ahead, but im gonna just keep my confidence up and call it SUB MOA so i can feel good. lol. jk. but seriously i still think its sub moa. and so do a couple witnesses. Ive been shooting for a pretty long time (in terms of hours put into shooting. ive probably shot around 50-75k rounds in a matter of 12 years, most being shot in the last 4) And im still improving. ill prove it in the next few times i go to the range. i will be dialing in my scope a little better so im going to try and bring more targets if cash allows. a dollar a bullet isnt exactly cheap. lol.

anyways i love constructive criticizm (not even kidding, i love improving, especially my shooting) so hit me with what you got. lol ESPECIALLY on ideas for the rifle, like shortening the barrel by 4 inches specifically?
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