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Old 11-21-2011, 10:23 AM
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I don't know the story here, but having just moved from NM, where Open-Loaded carry is legal. Wal-Mart makes it very clear by posting at the entrance that firearms are prohibited. I support their right to carry (at least until 1/1/2012), but this was a stunt to get publicity and provoke a response and borders on the kind of irresponsibility that will set carry laws in CA back further.

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Old 11-21-2011, 10:28 AM
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Old 11-21-2011, 10:38 AM
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I want open carry. But, I want LTC more than OC. Ideally, it would be the best to be able to have both and all.

I trust Gene and CGF's litigation where they seem to put less emphasis on UOC and encourage people to rattle the cages of trying for an LTC, no matter what county. I whole-heartedly support the latter action, and although it pains and angers me immensely to see our Socialist state clamp down on OC, I do see a silver lining, a fighting chance to resolve the injustices that we face every day here in regards to our gun rights, and get LTC for the whole state.
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Old 11-21-2011, 2:16 PM
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WTH were they thinkin'? Don't they know that only CSACannoneer is allowed to exercise open rifle carry (cuz he lives in the sticks and he alone has good reason enough to exercise 2nd amendment!) Silly Americans!

Remember, per CSA's logic, any actual exercise of a civil right will result in loss of said civil rights, So DON'T EXERCISE YOUR rights, it annoys the special people!
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Old 11-21-2011, 2:33 PM
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Better call the cops, and complain about them messing with our 2A rights, right? Oh wait...these pictures all involve either Israeli's or Swiss citizens.

More Israeli girls open carrying here:
http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/pictu...reactions.html

Yet here in the United States, supposed gun rights activists will try to beat up an OCer or call the cops on them? Make sure you never leave California or your ignorant precious sensibilities will be offended when in NC you roll through police checkpoints with no permit and your loaded 13 rd XD on the dash of your car. Walking through Arizona where pistols are loaded and openly on display you might suffer weak knees and break into fear induced sweat.

I don't think the UOC helps the 2A movement, but I do support open carry.
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Old 11-21-2011, 3:32 PM
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You can tell from the videographer's tone of voice that this is an intentional provocation, and not carrying for self-defense.

Which is it OC-ers? Are you carrying to make a point? Or are you carrying to defend yourselves if need be?

I suspect it's the former. Sigh.
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That is an ignorant statement. Getting a CCW is almost impossible in Los Angeles and Orange county.
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Old 11-21-2011, 11:20 PM
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If you have a CCW you have no dog in the UOC fight. I am pretty sure that if the UOC'ers could obtain a CCW they would and would not UOC anymore.
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hmmmm so you also support mandatory military enrollment ? those are IDF mandatory at age 18..
actually, yes I do.
I'm sure that offends you.
Swiss also have a mandatory enrollment.
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Old 11-22-2011, 1:06 AM
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Seriously, I would hope those girls at the top would let me search them....just for...uuuhhh...safety.

When I was in Israel a while ago it was an interesting feeling how guns were just a natural thing in their community. Since all their citizens are mandated to spend two years in the military (not sure if this is still current), then their whole society is familiar with guns, namely the AR-15 platform which they use mostly.

It would be nice for things to be that way here, but we are now in the age of Columbine and numerous other "mass shootings" that have put a fear of a "Man with a gun" into society. I don't blame PD for responding the way they do to any such call. Anyone who says it's an "excessive show of force" is being completely unfair and uncaring to the LEOs who risk their lives to protect the public. The day cops show up to a MWAG call by just sending one guy armed with just a handgun will be the day that officer gets dropped by a criminal who can now blend in under the guise of UOC.

In no way am I against UOC as a concept, though I'd never do it. Carrying an UNLOADED weapon would just seem to make you the target for any criminal with a loaded weapon and make you vulnerable to having your weapon stolen before you could possibly load it and defend yourself. By our rights we should carry a loaded firearm for self-protection as they were intended. The logical path for this would mean promoting CCW for the time being as well as educating the public about guns to the point where they wouldn't fear true open carry.

The idiots in this video are just idiots grasping for attention. A group of people going to shoot up a Walmart would be indistinguishable from this group of "demonstrators" if they tried, and that's not a good trend to set. Open carry should use COMMON SENSE. Walking into a Wallmart with a group of others carrying rifles and handguns will obviously cause a stir. Pretending like you didn't expect it would be like pretending that having a 99% rally march in Oakland wouldn't lead to violence and vandalism. Being extreme to one side or another doesn't get anyone anywhere good. I never even had a chance to open carry and it's already been banned (personally I would have open carried on hikes, mountain bike rides, etc).

The second video posted seemed a lot more reasonable to me and the initial cops involved just seemed unfamiliar with the situation. Still, logic should dictate that if your open carry makes businesses uncomfortable, then they will start posting signs barring it which is within their rights (since rights are the topic of the hour).
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Old 11-22-2011, 2:08 AM
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I found this video interesting. Since being stationed in Wisconsin, its a normal everyday occurence to see 5-6 different people open carrying at any given moment at the mall or wal mart or Target, or wherever. Now that CCW has come to the state, Im sure I will see less and less, due to folks getting a ccw, but its treated as a non-issue here. Nobody calls the cops, nobody gets kicked out, nothing. It truly does seem like Kalifornias gun rights have eroded past the point of asinine.
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Arizona rights to carry open and/or concealed statewide in California is the ultimate goal. But in my humble opinion, it will take a long list of court decisions to achieve. CGF, NRA, CRPA and other pro-gun organizations, will have to fight the fight, one issue at a time.
Then the public will need to be "slowly" won over to the pro-gun stance based on our guaranteed 2A rights. Winning court cases in a stealthy manner, that tends to produce forward momentum and avoid creating roadblocks towards the ultimate goal. You go Gene and the Calguns Foundation!
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Old 11-22-2011, 7:48 AM
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I think that some have lost sight of what I think is the real issue. I firmly believe the LOC should be the norm, UOC adds steps to the self-defense process that could get you killed. Now having stated my POV, here is why I disagree with what these people did and why I view it could have a negative impact to all carry laws in CA.

The best OC is one that is done discreetly. It is better for someone to think, OMG that guy has a gun and I didn't even notice the whole time I was talking to him or standing in line behind him.

OC of an AR, although legal, is not something that will go unnoticed and raise fear of the "common" person. The first thought here is holy ****, I better get out of here before the **** hits the fan.

I think that 20% if the population is strongly pro-LTC, pro-OC etc, that problably 20% of the populaiton that is anti-everything gun related. We will never change their minds, as they will never change ours. What we do to influence the middle 60% will decide the fate of our carry rights.

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Old 11-22-2011, 7:53 AM
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If you have a CCW you have no dog in the UOC fight. I am pretty sure that if the UOC'ers could obtain a CCW they would and would not UOC anymore.
As the rules are now, your right, if I had a LTC (a pipe dream in CCC) there is no way I would UOC. But if I could LOC, I probably wouldn't bother getting the LTC or would probably LOC more than CC. Seeing a gun in a greater deterent than wondering if a potential victim has one. That is why uniformed armed security guards are used in banks.

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Funny, the Upland cop that is currenlty getting sued for harrassing 2 open carriers that were peacefully handing out flyers on the subject while OC'ing handguns said the EXACT same thing on his belt recorder! WOW....
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I'm not going to get into the debate of OC, but think about this.

Walmart used to sell rifles, and in some states they're selling rifles again. California may be next on their list of states where they will sell rifles. If they do this, what happens when you buy your rifle, sling it over your shoulder, and finish your shopping before you leave?
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good bye rifle OC.... GOD BYE more gun rights
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good bye rifle OC.... GOD BYE more gun rights
If you live in California, you already have been deprived of your gun rights.
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maybe there's more story here than i know about but...
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The responses in the thread make me sick. And offer and obvious explanation as to why our 2A rights get trampled in this state. Everyone of you negative posters sound exactly like our goddamn legislators passing laws that infringe on OUR rights. It doesn't ****ing matter WHY they are carrying. May be they wen't into the bathroom to, i dunno, ****ING GO TO THE BATHROOM. Why does open carrying have to be an EVENT. Perhaps they're trying to just normalize it(like it should be). There was a time when an interracial couple holding hands would have gotten a similar or worse response. Did they do it because they wanted attention. No they did it cause the can. If you want to make a simple statement that you believe open carry is not constructive to 'the cause' that's fine. You can make that logical argument ( your wrong IMO but that's ok). To simply sit here and insult people who are exercising a right you claim to support is just sad.
"...to KEEP and BEAR arms..." Seems really straight forward to me.
I'm tired of seeing posts like this. WE THE PEOPLE are the only ones to blame, we elect the jackasses that make these laws again and again and again. Public awareness is the only way this fight will ever be won. The courts will help, but if we keep putting the same people in office, it will never end.
To all the "you don't need to____ to ____" seriously STFU unless you don't need any of you other rights either.
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maybe there's more story here than i know about but...
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The responses in the thread make me sick. And offer and obvious explanation as to why our 2A rights get trampled in this state. Everyone of you negative posters sound exactly like our goddamn legislators passing laws that infringe on OUR rights. It doesn't ****ing matter WHY they are carrying. May be they wen't into the bathroom to, i dunno, ****ING GO TO THE BATHROOM. Why does open carrying have to be an EVENT. Perhaps they're trying to just normalize it(like it should be). There was a time when an interracial couple holding hands would have gotten a similar or worse response. Did they do it because they wanted attention. No they did it cause the can. If you want to make a simple statement that you believe open carry is not constructive to 'the cause' that's fine. You can make that logical argument ( your wrong IMO but that's ok). To simply sit here and insult people who are exercising a right you claim to support is just sad.
"...to KEEP and BEAR arms..." Seems really straight forward to me.
I'm tired of seeing posts like this. WE THE PEOPLE are the only ones to blame, we elect the jackasses that make these laws again and again and again. Public awareness is the only way this fight will ever be won. The courts will help, but if we keep putting the same people in office, it will never end.
To all the "you don't need to____ to ____" seriously STFU unless you don't need any of you other rights either.
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Any how. Have a great day everyone!
I'm pretty sure that most people on here think that these guys should have every right to do so. However, it's not about being able to right now. It's about advancing rights in a strategic manner. There are multiple ways to get rid of your bee infestation. You can call the pros, and they will put on suits, and smoke them out, and remove the hives without a single person being stung. Or you can run around with a baseball bat in your boardshorts and sandals, invite all your friends to watch, bash in all the hives, and make sure to record the whole thing while everyone gets stung.

Saying not to open carry isn't about the people here not wanting the rights to be used. It's about strategy, so that everyone will be able to enjoy greater rights sooner. Stirring up the bees nest only leads to more laws that need to be taken to court.
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Eventually, I think we'll have a decent court-supported right to bear arms in public.

Which will be completely useless if a bunch of attention-seekers induce half the private businesses in the state to put up "No Guns Allowed" signs to avoid showing up on youtube once a month.
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My issue is they went into Walmart knowing they were going to get this reaction. They did it for the reaction. It accomplishes nothing but making them look like tools. By making themselves look like tools people start thinking most gun owners are tools cause that is all they see.
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and i expect the same response from LEO every time,if i was there i too would have called it in,how would i know they are not "bad guys" under the guise of being OC ... its just stupid when they put in that vid that LEO "overkill".....
Quite a few times when I've UOC'd my handgun the police only asked if it was loaded and didn't check for themselves. They're not even required to do the "e" check at all. Cops here in CA are too f***king scared of people exercising their rights without giving reason whatsoever to believe they might attack the police. Cops in other states like Arizona don't care if you have a gun on...they treat you like real Americans, unlike they do in CA.
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Im all for UOC. But why AR's in a walmart??? And there was way too much bratty talk. Just be quite and let the police check the guns. If they violate your rights then sue em all...
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That Walmart was the best handler of the situation.
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Walmart used to sell rifles, and in some states they're selling rifles again. California may be next on their list of states where they will sell rifles. If they do this, what happens when you buy your rifle, sling it over your shoulder, and finish your shopping before you leave?
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My issue is they went into Walmart knowing they were going to get this reaction. They did it for the reaction. It accomplishes nothing but making them look like tools. By making themselves look like tools people start thinking most gun owners are tools cause that is all they see.
Am I the only one who has this thought regarding the ending of that video? The LEO's left, the OCers continued their shopping. If those two actions in combination do nothing else, they clearly educate the small portion of the public in that Walmart that nothing wrong was happening.
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There is a huge different between carry concealed a handgun on you while buying a cheeseburger vs. open carry an unloaded rifle on your back inside walmart while trying to buy soap. I support the 2nd amendment and the right to CCW. There is always a handgun on me every time I step outside the house. These kids just want to be on youtube. Do you actually think these kids in the video care about the 2nd amendment?
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This is the kind of response that i would expect if the video was posted on facebook.
I thought this was a forum for people who support our 2nd amendment rights?
Those people are just stupid and are hurting more then helping.

In a perfect world, I'm all for everyone walking around armed with whatever the they to carry including RPG's, flamethrowers, bazooka's, whatever.

These clowns are doing nothing for the cause. a few kids in Wally world are not going to desensitize the general population into not caring if the rest of us who want to carry, do.

Open carry as a strategy failed when they tried it with hand guns. You think its going to succeed with long guns?

What are they going to do when long guns are banned too? Carry their d&^ks in their hand and say "whaaaaaaa now i can't open carry anything"?

i believe a freedom not exercised is a freedom lost, but those folks are just plain stupid.
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My issue is they went into Walmart knowing they were going to get this reaction. They did it for the reaction. It accomplishes nothing but making them look like tools. By making themselves look like tools people start thinking most gun owners are tools cause that is all they see.
Really? You're absolutey certain they "did it for the reaction?" You have the power to see into their hearts and minds and know their motivations? There's no possible chance whatsoever that they did it because they wanted to have a means to defend themselves and this is the only thing that is left to them? That isn't a possibility at all?
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You might as well paint a target on you. I like to see a video of them cashing a check at the bank. Let's see how that goes. I support the 2nd amendment but geez that was painful. This video just made 50 more laws. Thanks real good!!
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There's no possible chance whatsoever that they did it because they wanted to have a means to defend themselves and this is the only thing that is left to them? That isn't a possibility at all?
They could have OC'd handguns and some in their party were, in fact, doing so. So, no it isn't a possibility that this "was the only thing... left to them."
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They could have OC'd handguns and some in their party were, in fact, doing so. So, no it isn't a possibility that this "was the only thing... left to them."
Some people aren't 21 yet, so a rifle is their only firearm.
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Basic morbid curiosity aside, the general public does not view a gathering of more cops than they would normally see at a doughnut shop as a good thing. Seeing numerous officers, some with weapons drawn, detaining and questioning suspects, leaves the impression that a crime has occurred. Intentionally or not it generates negative publicity that damages public sentiment against ALL firearm owners.

Citizens unfamiliar with firearms are not influenced in the positive by dramatic exposure, so it should be avoided. That is not obvious to some people and it is likely because they lack the ability to put themselves in the other guy's shoes. Unfortunately, the latter is not something that can be taught, though luckily it is a wisdom that sometimes comes with age.
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Some people aren't 21 yet, so a rifle is their only firearm.
That does not appear to be the case here. Also, being under 21 does not disqualify one from possessing or carrying a handgun.
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