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Old 02-21-2007, 7:03 PM
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Default best current 223 ammo deals

What are some good deals out there right now excluding wolf(I have plenty of that already). Canned heat has been reliable for me, and the Hunting Shack seems pretty reasonable...what else is out there right now?
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180.00 for a 720 round can and 28-30 UPS shipping to the west coast.

Disregard the 160.00 price on web page.

http://www.iscnetwork.com/patsreloading/ammo.htm
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I'm glad I just picked up my 223. I bought it from pats a few weeks ago and got 4 cans for $180 per can shipped. Make sure to order in increments of 2 cans because the shipping on 2 cans is just over 40 bucks.
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One of your best bets would be to stock up when the gun show comes into town. You usually get a fairly decent price without paying shipping. The GS comes to Del Mar about every three months, this is the only time I purchase ammo. I have not found better prices locally in San Diego county.
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I just bought some Wolf 55gr. HP for $105.00/1000(unbelievable I know, but I can still get it at that price), I just wanted some different options...any good sources out there right now for Guatemalan?
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OK deal but no strippers and bandoleers. thats equal to .26 cents a round not inc shipping.

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Ammo bros had 55gr reloads for $109.00/500 at ontario.
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Yep... Ammobros is the best deal in town, when they can get projectiles. Lately, that's been an issue for them.

Anyway, in the local SD area, probably your best bet is the Federal that American Shooting Center seems to have on sale whenever I'm in there. The price isn't too bad on it.

Of course, if you reload, you can make plinking ammo yourself for about 8.7c/rd...
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Of course, if you reload, you can make plinking ammo yourself for about 8.7c/rd...
but...only if you already have the brass. I like to stock pile....so it costs me about 18 cents a round including brass.

but your right...for my revolving plinking supply 8 cents is doable....
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OK deal but no strippers and bandoleers. thats equal to .26 cents a round not inc shipping.
i make no claims for this being the best stuff out there. I personally would take this stuff over wolf and Radway Green though. Luckily i still got a 1000 rounds of some guatamalan...
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I guess we should be happy we can buy ammo at all.

Have a look at this thread from NorthEastShooters.com

I have a feeling it will be this way all over the country in the next 5-10 years or maybe even sooner.

I have a feeling I will find alot better deal on the ammo at a local Gunshow or even The Big Reno Show.

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbu...ad.php?t=16785
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If I *had* to shoot someone else's reloads, it would either be:

Black Hills blue box
Hunting Shack

If this guy is still selling Hornady Remanufactured ammo, I would also get this:

http://www.radomski.us/njhp/major.htm
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If I *had* to shoot someone else's reloads, it would either be:

Black Hills blue box
Hunting Shack

If this guy is still selling Hornady Remanufactured ammo, I would also get this:

http://www.radomski.us/njhp/major.htm
Do you think the major's stuff is as good as Black Hills blue box?

Seriously thinking about order 1K... Have you tried it?

Also, what is the highest (loosest?) twist you'd shoot this stuff through -- 1:8? 1:9? ?
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but...only if you already have the brass. I like to stock pile....so it costs me about 18 cents a round including brass.

but your right...for my revolving plinking supply 8 cents is doable....
All I've got to say is, indoor ranges...

Some ranges don't mind if you pick up rifle brass, as long as you don't touch the handgun brass that they reload. I frequently leave with a hundred or so extra 223 casings from my range.

BTW, http://www.brassworldonline.org/ - once fired 223 brass for about 4 cents apiece. Flat rate shipping... and occasionally they get in 6.8SPC brass.
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Do you think the major's stuff is as good as Black Hills blue box?

Seriously thinking about order 1K... Have you tried it?

Also, what is the highest (loosest?) twist you'd shoot this stuff through -- 1:8? 1:9? ?
From what I've read on the National Match forums, this stuff is good. A year ago they did have a couple bad rounds reported where the case split on a competitor, but out of how many hundreds of thousands of rounds sold, a few bad rounds is expected.

Anyway, I've never tried any of it, but from what I understand, 24.0gr of Varget and a Hornady 75gr BTHP will duplicate the Hornady remanufactured ammo the Major sells. For those that don't reload, this is a good solid recipe and should work in almost any rifle. As far as twist rate, Hornady themselves claims that you can shoot their 75gr BTHP in a 1 in 9" twist. I think that's a "Your Mileage May Vary" situation. I know it will shoot in 1 in 8" or better. One of the guys at my range bought some 75gr A-Max bullets off me to load for his Savage in .223 which has a 1 in 9" twist, and he got good groups with it. But again, you may want to test the bullet if you have a 1 in 9" before you go buying 1000 rounds of it.

If anyone is interested in it, you should give the Major a call. Not sure how accurate that webpage is, if it's still up to date, etc.
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From what I've read on the National Match forums, this stuff is good. A year ago they did have a couple bad rounds reported where the case split on a competitor, but out of how many hundreds of thousands of rounds sold, a few bad rounds is expected.

Anyway, I've never tried any of it, but from what I understand, 24.0gr of Varget and a Hornady 75gr BTHP will duplicate the Hornady remanufactured ammo the Major sells. For those that don't reload, this is a good solid recipe and should work in almost any rifle. As far as twist rate, Hornady themselves claims that you can shoot their 75gr BTHP in a 1 in 9" twist. I think that's a "Your Mileage May Vary" situation. I know it will shoot in 1 in 8" or better. One of the guys at my range bought some 75gr A-Max bullets off me to load for his Savage in .223 which has a 1 in 9" twist, and he got good groups with it. But again, you may want to test the bullet if you have a 1 in 9" before you go buying 1000 rounds of it. Or better yet, build another rifle with a 1 in 7" if it doesn't.

If anyone is interested in it, you should give the Major a call. Not sure how accurate that webpage is, if it's still up to date, etc.
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Heh. That'll work.
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Yeah, I have a 1:7 so I'm good to go. But my buddy has a High Standard carbine-style upper that he's not sure what the twist is on it...

I just wanted to know if he could shoot this stuff through his.

Ocabj, as always man -- you are the source of some of the most useful info on this board (for me anyway).
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1 in 9" is not ideal for heavy bullets, specifically 77gr and higher, which are primarily used for competition shooting (NRA/CMP high power), and in limited numbers by military special operations (77gr ammo via MK262).

1 in 9" for some reason was picked by most of the commercial AR manufacturers. Perhaps they thought it gave the best balance as far as light bullets are concerned. You could shoot a wide range of bullets from 40gr on to 69, and possibly (according to Hornady), 75gr.

For some reason, complete rifles from commercial manufacturers are very rare with a 1 in 7" twist. Colt is still the only company that really pumps out rifles in 1 in 7" for the commercial market.

Some will argue that 1 in 7" is too fast. As long as you shoot 55gr or higher, you're ok. Some will claim that 55gr won't shoot accurately in a 1 in 7". My question to those that make this claim is why won't it? You need a higher twist rate to stabilize longer bullets. So if you have a fast twist rate, there's not reason why it can't stablize a lighter bullet. It's not like you can overstabilize a bullet.

The only reason you would want to stay 'heavy enough' for 1 in 7" is in the rare chance that you tear the jacket off the bullet. There is a possibility that the jacket will separate from the core if you shoot a light round in a fast twist rate barrel at a fast enough muzzle velocity. 55gr is more than heavy enough in a 1 in 7" to avoid this. I even shot 52gr out of a 1 in 7" with no problem. 40gr on the other hand might be an issue...

That's why you don't really ever see 1 in 9" ARs on the firing line at any service rifle high power competition. Everyone's either got a 1 in 8" or 1 in 7" (or a weird variation like 1 in 7.7"). Heavier and better bullets for 22cal that came out in the 1990s is the reason why ARs now dominate service rifle high power. The rifle itself was accurate; the ammo wasn't.

But, 1 in 9" is perfectly fine for the regular, non service rifle high power shooter. Most people shoot 55gr or 62gr surplus at the range and that's it. Even 3 gunners may go as high as 69gr Sierra Match Kings, but that's it.
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Natchezss has some AE FMJ 55gr for 5.25/20rd box, cheapest I can find online.
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Ok, Gentlemen. Would somebody share the recepy for 8 cents per round reloads? I spend 3-4c/round on primer, 10-12 c/round bullet, plus undetermined yet ammount on powder. What am I doing wrong? Oh, and I don't want to cast my own bullets. The Sportsmans Warehouse got some ULTRAMAX remanufactured ammo for 13.99/50 rounds.Thank ya'll.
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out of curiosity whats bad about my 1:9 thats what my bushy is.
It probably will not stablize the heavier bullets.... ie. 75gr or 77gr...which are the rounds the you would want to you if you want to shoot "further" with your AR platform...

Look on ammo-oracle.com for more info.
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So, nobody wants to give me the recepy for 8 cents/round reloads for .223?
Natchez http://natchezss.com/ammo.cfm?conten...re=&startRow=1 got some affordable ammo. 55gr. Nato (Federal) and 55 gr. S&B, for $5.99/box of 20, or $5.59 for 10 boxes.
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8 cents a round? Where are you getting this number from? I don't think anyone can reload .223 for under 10 cents a round.

Golden West Brass has 55gr FMJ for $128 per 2000. That alone is 6.5 cents per bullet.

Even with WC844 at $100 per 8lb keg, and at 25.0gr per round, that's 4.5 cents per round.

Make it 2 cents per primer and you've got 13 cents per round not counting brass.
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I just bought some Wolf 55gr. HP for $105.00/1000(unbelievable I know, but I can still get it at that price), I just wanted some different options...any good sources out there right now for Guatemalan?
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is this a decent deal?

360 rd. battle pack - $65
720 rd. can - $150

i think they may be radway green. oh, are boxer primed cases reloadable or was it berden?
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Thats a good deal...I think the Radway green is one of the best deals out there.

I havn't seen it as cheap as those prices in a few months though....can I ask who has it at that price?
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what about this one:

guatamalan 1560rd. @ $343 any good?

how about some .308 prices

aussie f4 - 160 rd. pack @$30
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Yep... Ammobros is the best deal in town, when they can get projectiles. Lately, that's been an issue for them.

Anyway, in the local SD area, probably your best bet is the Federal that American Shooting Center seems to have on sale whenever I'm in there. The price isn't too bad on it.

Of course, if you reload, you can make plinking ammo yourself for about 8.7c/rd...
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aussie f4 - 160 rd. pack @$30
If that's the Aussie .308 surplus that dried up a long time ago, I seriously doubt that price (or even that it's available, at any price).
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If that's the Aussie .308 surplus that dried up a long time ago, I seriously doubt that price (or even that it's available, at any price).
i'll try to order it and see if it goes through.
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Just running the numbers, it does not seem possible to reload for $0.08/round at current prices. Perhaps a year ago, when bullets were cheaper...
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what about this one:

guatamalan 1560rd. @ $343 any good?

how about some .308 prices

aussie f4 - 160 rd. pack @$30
Please PM me with the location of this aussie 308 for 30/160rds. Thanks
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i'll try to order it and see if it goes through.
Well, if you're not joking, I'd also appreciate a PM for that source. I would like to buy a few hundred rounds.
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i'll try to order it and see if it goes through.

Please PM me the details as well.
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Old 02-28-2007, 8:50 AM
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Ok.. I'll chime in with what I have..

I purchased some WC846 ball powder for $10 a pound, 8# total some time back. Let's call it 26 gr per round = $.0371 per cartridge. I picked up 6k of the Pulled and sized 55 gr FMJ's from an online source. They were $93/3k add $9 shipping for a total of $102/3k or .034 per bullet. I use Winchester Small Rifle primers, call it $22 with tax or .022 per primer. so all total $.0371 + $.034 + .022 = $.0931 per loaded cartridge. I get my brass for free so I don't add in that cost, but if you wanted to you can get it for probably a $.05 each, $.1431 each round.

Now when I run out of WC846, I can no longer find it for this cheap and it is currently going for about $100 per 8 pound keg. So my cost will go up but I have an adequate supply of inexpensive projectiles. I've tested the pulled bullets and they are accurate enough for blasting at close range and good enough for 8" targets out to at least 200 yards (out of my heavy barreled Mini-14). I'm just happy I took the plunge on the bullets before they sold out.

Vince
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