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Old 01-13-2018, 6:04 PM
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So imagine waking up to an alert from the government announcing that a ballistic missile was inbound and this was not a drill.

How would you spend the next 38 minutes until they announced it was a false alarm?
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Old 01-13-2018, 6:22 PM
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If I thought that an impact was imminent, the only thing I could really do is shelter in place (at my house) and hope I'm far away from ground zero.

I have enough food and water for about a month and try to keep my vehicles topped off.

I'd be listening to my battery powered AM/FM radio and ham radio for the latest news. Who knows how long internet access would last.
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Old 01-13-2018, 6:29 PM
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My garage is partially underground with CMU construction. I would likely shelter in place. If the naval base at San Diego/North island was the target I would likely survive the initial blast.
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On a related note, a ballistic missile launched from North Korea would reach Hawaii in about 20 minutes. So, maybe 30-40 minutes to reach California?

I'm not sure how long after launch detection an "incoming missile" warning would come be issued but I'd expect at least a 5 minute delay.

Bottom line is that you need to be prepared and have a plan already in place and then execute per plan.
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I think the most likely scenario for Little Kim launching a nuclear-tipped ballistic missile at the United States would be if he felt his own demise was near. I'm not a psychologist but he doesn't strike me as a suicidal guy. He's a dictator so his main goal is to stay alive and in power.

So, I'm thinking if he felt HIS end was near, he'd try to kill as many Americans as possible and aim missiles at major population centers in Hawaii, Guam, or the US mainland Pacific coastal states. I would expect Los Angeles and San Francisco to be on his target list.

Scary when you think about it!
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So imagine waking up to an alert from the government announcing that a ballistic missile was inbound and this was not a drill.

How would you spend the next 38 minutes until they announced it was a false alarm?
Oh Oh Oh, back in the day we were tough this in school.


Remove any glasses.
Bend over and place your head between your knees
And kiss your *** good-by.

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I think the most likely scenario for Little Kim launching a nuclear-tipped ballistic missile at the United States would be if he felt his own demise was near. I'm not a psychologist but he doesn't strike me as a suicidal guy. He's a dictator so his main goal is to stay alive and in power.

So, I'm thinking if he felt HIS end was near, he'd try to kill as many Americans as possible and aim missiles at major population centers in Hawaii, Guam, or the US mainland Pacific coastal states. I would expect Los Angeles and San Francisco to be on his target list.

Scary when you think about it!
Not really scary at all. He doesn't appear to have the capability or the will, in spite of the fear mongering and press to the contrary.

Should LA face just such a "warning," I'd go about my business with great cynicism to a real threat.

Should it occur, it's out of my hands. I'm not jumping in my truck and sitting in traffic because of a text.



*side note, we had a full day of "hysteria" over Trump's alleged "****hole countries" comment, then the Uranium 1 indictment comes down, and suddenly we awaken to an erroneous threat via a device from a tech. company of questionable character and motive, and from the home state of the prior president, and the one that couldn't find his birth cert., at a time when the press, google, twitter, et. al. have been demonstrably proven to be in bed with the political opposition and allied with the previous administration. It looks to be a canard, a red herring, misdirection.

Considering the totality of the circumstances, I'm not wetting my bed over an "Amber Alert." Maybe if the warning had some credibility I'd take it more seriously. Like I'd order a pizza and board my windows or something.

This guy ain't got a rocket, neither do the Iranians.
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Anybody who believes the story that a guy changing shifts accidentally hit the "button" is either high, delusional or both.

You know, just like the guy in Yuma, who flipped the wrong switch a couple of years back and shut power off to southern California, western Arizona, southern Nevada and northern Mexico, putting over 12 million people in the dark.

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What about the remaining 37 minutes?
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Hmm... at 39 minutes, I'd apologize profusely to the hot 19 year old in yoga pants, and explain that I just thought we were all about to die in a nuclear fireball.
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Afterglow ~ Scratch that / cleanup!!!
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Hawaii and from Sacramento to the Mexican border California is disposable . In fact many would chip in for the gas to run the rockets.
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I'd find a nice white wall and work on a really cool pose to have for my shadow to be burned onto it.
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I'd find a nice white wall and work on a really cool pose to have for my shadow to be burned onto it.
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As the probability of a NK launch is unlikely but not insignificant, Hawaii folks should have already been thinking about an appropriate action plan. An NK missile to Hawaii has about a 35 minute ETA. Assuming:

- the launch is successful and has a semi-accurate trajectory;
- the DoD and civilian warning systems are quickly activated;
- a decision to launch countermeasures has been made and countermeasures fail to stop missile;
- the missile accurately impacts it's intended target (likely Pearl Harbor or maybe Honolulu for civilian casualty effect);
- your house/location isn't in the immediate blast radius;

Then all you really need to be prepared for is safely staying away from the radioactive fallout and hunkering down until Federal aid arrives. That said, there's a lot of 'must-happens' for that risk to be realized.

The family has already had a plan even before this false alarm took place, should something similar happen to us here on the West Coast.
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So imagine waking up to an alert from the government announcing that a ballistic missile was inbound and this was not a drill.

How would you spend the next 38 minutes until they announced it was a false alarm?
don't need to imagine.
calmed down wife, looked for indications the warning was real, found none.

sat on couch, drank cup off coffee, watched a Youtube video of Scott Manley doing a Kerbal Space Program video.
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Oh Oh Oh, back in the day we were tough this in school.


Remove any glasses.
Bend over and place your head between your knees
And kiss your *** good-by.

What did I win?
LMFAO!!!! don't forget to drop and cover...
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Run into the streets screaming and waving my arms like a muppet on fire.

I suppose I would go watch the skies.
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Get to loved ones and tell em I love em... no panic or trying to hide, wouldn't make a difference anyway
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This could be a bunch of crap from my highschool teacher, but I've heard that during the cold war it was determined that Roseville is a prime target for nuclear strike.

Idea being you would take out multiple military installations and poison the water supply for the largest agricultural producer in America.

So if it's Roseville getting hit... I'm toast
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So imagine waking up to an alert from the government announcing that a ballistic missile was inbound and this was not a drill.

How would you spend the next 38 minutes until they announced it was a false alarm?
Regardless of location- incoming missile 2 mile radius (per megaton) = instant death.
Fallout and contamination would doom folks several miles out.

I think, while NK is a concern, the under the table shipments and payments to NK will keep them cool.
IMHO bigger concern is nuke capable mid-east countries, rouge "scientists" looking to make a quick buck from some jihad nut, and of course the showdown over dwindling water supply -pakistan/india
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I would pray they hit Sacramento first....

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We're pretty much all toast in CA. If the blast doesn't get you, the fallout will.

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A story I heard--
Wife was panicking "What do we do? What do we do?"

Husband told her to go back to sleep. If she wakes up later, she'll know she's okay.

I think that is the best way to handle the situation.
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For HI I would assume he would target Honolulu/Pearl Harbor.. of course his stuff isn't very accurate.

I would also assume an airburst since it's easier and causes more damage (but less fallout)

His biggest tested nuke was around 150kt .. which is big, but not crazy big. If he nuked Honolulu it would be bad, but the other islands would be fine for the most part.

You can nuke HI with any nuke you want on Nuke Map:

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&...st-50,35&zm=11

Hitting places with the 500 MT Russian TSAR is nuts.. blast radius from LA to past Barstow!
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I know this is "thinking outside the box"

But what would the retaliation be for such a strike? Would the president get the greenlight for a return strike or would the US consult it's allies 1st?

I know we all assume immediate nuke strike, but since China and Russia are close by, I find that a little less likely.

More like a conventional strike with perhaps tomahawk. This of course can also quickly escalate. Either way it is a lost situation for anyone involved.
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I know we all assume immediate nuke strike, but since China and Russia are close by, I find that a little less likely.
The proximity of China and Russia are two (of the many) reasons why this could never happen.

Because of our retaliation having negative effects on their nations, both those countries will do all they can to prevent Kim FatArse from launching at us in the first place.

China probably has thousands of spies and moles on payroll throughout NK. Russia of course does, too. If Kim actually did try to launch at us "for real", he'd find the missile "malfunctioned" or "was shot down by unknown forces" or "accidentally aborted" or simply missed its target by 1000 miles.
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Loot a 12 pack - hit the beach - watch the incoming

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Better for them to not know it's coming.
No where to run, no where to hide. It's a series of islands so...

I'd hope some U.S.N. boomer is out there spinning up their missiles for some "lex talionis".
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I was just at the small, local post office and a elderly gentleman was there collecting his held mail.
The gal behind the counter asked him how was his trip to HI.

He went on to tell her how crazy things went when that notice was posted. He said people were running stop lights, running around in the streets in their PJ’s, some were praying, etc.

He said he and his wife looked at each other and said, well this is the end. Exchanged I love you’s. And then sat back and waited for it.


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I saw a chart posted from one of the major porn sites showing their traffic in HI that morning. Warning came out, traffic dropped off big time. But once it was shown to be false, huge increase in visits! Took a couple hours to get back to normal...
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I saw a chart posted from one of the major porn sites showing their traffic in HI that morning. Warning came out, traffic dropped off big time. But once it was shown to be false, huge increase in visits! Took a couple hours to get back to normal...
One would almost think it would be the opposite. "F*** it, I'm going to get in one last wank!"
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My conversation with my dad who lives on Oahu that morning. My dad is 76
Me: eh howzit
Dad: good brah. Got cigarettes, beer and toilet paper. I stay fine.
Me: K love you dad. Take care.
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