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Old 12-12-2015, 6:39 AM
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Not sure if the correct forum but probably the best. Cheapest body armor available? Full plates for a carrier or with carrier? Thanks
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I don't like "cheapest" in the same sentence as "armor." It defeats the purpose? I'm envisioning some garbage made in China.
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Yeah, bad description. Strongest steel plates . Made in US.
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http://www.ar500armor.com/ar500-armo...l#.Vmw-InqIbqA
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cheapest may not be what you are wanting

the cheapest will be going down to the local steel supply shop and getting a couple of pieces of 1" cold roll plate cut to your specs.

it will stop most calibers short of 50 BMG but will be so heavy that you will never wear it
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Depends on what type of ballistic protection your looking for. If you want to buy cheap and have some rifle protection you could go steel, but the biggest con is ricochets towards your junk/femoral artery (especially if you lean slightly forward like your supposed to), heavy 7 lbs each, and you will get spall/fragged to the neck/face even with ANY spall guard or wonder coating out there.
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What is a good way to limit spall damage ?
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Most companies offer a anti spall coating on plates.
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I have a set of Targetman Spartan Armor, and AR500 armor. Both have very good reviews, and both are affordable.

The Spartan Armor has a thick anti-spall coating on it.
The AR500 is thinner, with a thinner coating.

For the AR500, it took nearly 10 weeks to get my order. But in the meantime they were sending emails selling armor and carrier sets with next day shipping. So I think unless you order inventory they are trying to move you may be waiting a while.
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Is there a need to pay extra $50 for a second or thicker coat?
http://www.ar500armor.com/sentry-pla...l#.Vmx_WPkrKUk
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Is there a need to pay extra $50 for a second or thicker coat?
http://www.ar500armor.com/sentry-pla...l#.Vmx_WPkrKUk
I paid for the added paxcon build up. I figured I would do it once because of the wait.
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You might look at the lvl 3a plates. I watched it stop a slug an it weighs less an a lb each. I thought those were cool but I bought the lvl 3+ plates. Wait time was approx 8-9 weeks. A lot of good options out there though.
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Is the 3a soft , reusable? I mean , do you have to throw away after being stuck?
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Can someone please recommend a cheap open heart surgeon and discount lasic eye surgeon? Preferably a doctor that does both so I can get a coupon for multiple procedures.
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Is the 3a soft , reusable? I mean , do you have to throw away after being stuck?
Yes I assume so. Just a lighter weight option. If you click the link a video is near the bottom. I bought the 3+ for m193 at close range and multiple hit protection.
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Can someone please recommend a cheap open heart surgeon and discount lasic eye surgeon? Preferably a doctor that does both so I can get a coupon for multiple procedures.
Wow such good input! Why don't you just move on unless you have something beneficial to say.
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Very cool guys. Thanks for the links and info. I will start comparing.
InsanePropane do you know anyone who bought from that vendor?
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Very cool guys. Thanks for the links and info. I will start comparing.
InsanePropane do you know anyone who bought from that vendor?
3336 people at 99.6% positive, lol.
yes, i do, but they haven't been shot. thats the funny part, so many variables, your body size, what kind of carrier you'll buy, how heavy you'll go,etc.

I have XL Ceradyne plates, but those are hard to come by for cheap

i don't wear body armor much, almost crippling for a guy my size, I'm big
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/AR500-Steel-...3D221566312943

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I saw their rating. Pretty impressive. Im not very big. 5'10' , 170 maybe. They have plate carrier sets as well. Do you wear the side plates as well?
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Is the 3a soft , reusable? I mean , do you have to throw away after being stuck?
Once compromised you will loose integrity. Is it usable depend on how much risk you want to assume. I'd hate my last thought to be whish I wasn't so cheap.
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I saw their rating. Pretty impressive. Im not very big. 5'10' , 170 maybe. They have plate carrier sets as well. Do you wear the side plates as well?
Naw, At some point you have to call it enough. You sacrifice mobility.

Ive taken courses where shooters are wearing full kit and the instructor (high speed) would go down the line and take **** off everyone.

won't need this, don't need that, this is slow, you're too big, you're too slow, you'll get shot anyhow, you'll get me killed, etc
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Naw, At some point you have to call it enough. You sacrifice mobility.

Ive taken courses where shooters are wearing full kit and the instructor (high speed) would go down the line and take **** off everyone.

won't need this, don't need that, this is slow, you're too big, you're too slow, you'll get shot anyhow, you'll get me killed, etc
Yeah you don't know what you need or don't need till you try it out. Things will be moved or taken off.
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I got the steel plates from targetman. Good deal. Not the lightest but will be fine if I ever put them on.
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Take a look here. They also have other offerings.

https://www.maingun.biz/Condor_Sentr...2vest10x12.htm
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I havent done it yet but I am going to go through member d-r here when I do kit up. my "plan" which changes often, is for a soft armor "executive" or "conceal" which can be worn under street clothes or when at the range, and a plate carrier withe the steel plates backed by soft armor inserts.

For my wife who works in SF financial district I am getting her a soft armor vest and an armored "laptop bag" or briefcase sort of thing. A plate carrier is just not practical for her to wear into the office, and even soft armor will not be practical with all outfits. I myself am considering an armored backpack.

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I havent done it yet but I am going to go through member d-r here when I do kit up. my "plan" which changes often, is for a soft armor "executive" or "conceal" which can be worn under street clothes or when at the range, and a plate carrier withe the steel plates backed by soft armor inserts.

For my wife who works in SF financial district I am getting her a soft armor vest and an armored "laptop bag" or briefcase sort of thing. A plate carrier is just not practical for her to wear into the office, and even soft armor will not be practical with all outfits. I myself am considering an armored backpack.

D-r seems to make or deal in the stuff and has been a real wealth of knowledge.
For your wife you may want to consider a BlackHawk quick plate carrier. It's basicly a single bib type carrier that you can either use a single plate with a soft backer or just use with level II/IIIA 10x12 stand alone soft armor. It looks like your looking for something that will not stick out and also to be light/portable so I'd recommend going with a LII stand alone insert which will stop most common pistol rounds, it's also thinner and lighter/thinner than LIIIA. Also BAO Body Armor Outlet has LIIIA stand alone 10x12 panels for 80.00 advertised on EBay. BAO is a well established company based out of the east coast and specializes in used and new armor.
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I have a set of Targetman Spartan Armor, and AR500 armor. Both have very good reviews, and both are affordable.

The Spartan Armor has a thick anti-spall coating on it.
The AR500 is thinner, with a thinner coating.

For the AR500, it took nearly 10 weeks to get my order. But in the meantime they were sending emails selling armor and carrier sets with next day shipping. So I think unless you order inventory they are trying to move you may be waiting a while.
I also went with Spartan Armor over AR500. Price difference was almost nothing (when I ordered, dont know prices now) and although AR500 was more well known, the reviews that included both showed Spartan to be the superior choice so I coughed up the extra $10 or whatever it was and went the Spartan route.

I have two sets, one for me and one for the Ex-wife that I kept after the divorce.
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For my wife who works in SF financial district I am getting her a soft armor vest and an armored "laptop bag" or briefcase sort of thing. A plate carrier is just not practical for her to wear into the office, and even soft armor will not be practical with all outfits. I myself am considering an armored backpack.
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If your looking into steel which I don't recommend you may want to consider Mil A 46100. It has more ballistic protection vs AR500. You should really look at the overall weight kitted then mock it up and use it in your type of scenario. Try hiking up a hill with uneven terrain for an hour to see how it'd be. Pounds do equal pain. Side plates are nice doing vehicle Ops or when you have a risk for side shots, but an extra 5-8 lbs is quite a bit if you looking for this to b a bug out choice. For hunkering down side plates make sence. Thinking high speed low drag is a good way of thinking especially when it comes to gear.
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If i were going to buy body armor, i would buy straight from manufacturer. Ebay cant be trusted....had a AR500 that was a mild steel...not cool.
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Civilian body armor is STUPID. Having wore it for years on deployment I can tell you it is heavy, hot, slows one down, limits mobility, chafes, and in SHTF is useless. Body armor is intended for warriors who are prepared (seek) to engage in kinetic contact. In a SHTF scenario one would be an idiot to run toward "bangs". Save your money, run in the opposite direction. If you choose to get in a shootout you will get wounded. Whether that is fragments, or GSW either of these = infection and delayed death. Preppers have this fascination with wanting to be some special forces commando. You are not and NO AMOUNT OF GEAR will make you one.
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Civilian body armor is STUPID.
With all due respect, how is civilian body armor stupid?
Maybe you could argue against SHTF case, but certainly not all civilian applications.

Police/Security wears it everyday, or people in risky occupations; Some CCWer as well.
How about home invasion scenarios?

And even in SHTF case, how do you know there won't be medicine at all?
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