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Old 10-13-2013, 7:59 PM
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Great information! Thanks for the write-up. I just ordered my dissipator barrel from Del-Ton a few days ago, they have them on sale right now! I can't wait to finish my build.
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FYI, in stock here:

http://grabagun.com/bushmaster-moe-d...-223-30rd.html (not sure if they are CA friendly)

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp....html?Itemid=0
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Why isn't this thread a sticky? Make it a sticky please.
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Now try it with some wolf .223 and let's see what happens.
Since you said it, I had to double check what I shot. Guess it was Wolf, the Tula was 7.62x39 for my AK.



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Can’t buy these in CA - The roll mark is "AR-15xx" thus banned by name.

FWIW, those uppers are also mid-length, not rifle length.

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Canít buy these in CA - The roll mark is "AR-15xx" thus banned by name.

FWIW, those uppers are also mid-length, not rifle length.
Damn, bad post on my part. You're right, banned! I looked at the front sight and don't see a roll pin for a gas tube, so yeah, carbine gas length too.
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i can finally add to this thread. build is on an addax dissy barrel with a surefire m500 rifle length handguard, A1 upper, eotech 517 (shouldve gotten a 512 for cowitness :{ ) on a BCCAM mount, ares effin-a tuneable comp, JP clamp on adjustable FSB, and a stock NFA polymer lower. a tad front heavy but the plan is to have my regular lower built out to be more modern with an A5 system so i'm not too worried.



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i can finally add to this thread. build is on an addax dissy barrel with a surefire m500 rifle length handguard, A1 upper, eotech 517 (shouldve gotten a 512 for cowitness :{ ) on a BCCAM mount, ares effin-a tuneable comp, JP clamp on adjustable FSB, and a stock NFA polymer lower. a tad front heavy but the plan is to have my regular lower built out to be more modern with an A5 system so i'm not too worried.

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I like the MOE handguard on there, it makes it look shorter than what it really is. I'm rocking one too. Plus you can always switch to different configs later, as it looks like you've done. Nice build!

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I just stumbled onto this thread. I love my Spike's dissy . It is an incredibly accurate and soft shooting rifle!
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Long story short:

I built a dissy over the past month or so... Everything went smooth until I took it out to shoot it. Every few rounds, I would have a failure to feed due to short stroking. I tried a few different things (buffers/buffer tubes, springs, etc.) and couldn't get it figured out. Wednesday night, I milled my gas port from .087" (if I remember right) up to .110" put it back together, and took it out today to test it out. It worked FLAWLESSLY!!

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Default Dissipator ~ Pair

1) PSA barrel/upper with mid-length gas, Magpul furniture, Umbrella grip.



2) Del-Ton barrel/upper with rifle length gas, A2 furniture, Umbrella grip.


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I'm interested in turning my AR into a mock Dissipator. It's a 16" barrel with a 12" MI free float forend. I'm considering just putting an A2 style front sight on.

My barrel is .750 up until close to the end, and then a little bit at the end is around .690. How long is a standard fixed sight? Any suggestions on which one to get?
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My BCM MidLength Dissipator. Work gun.
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Question guys ? there is a used dissipator (PSA) listed here for sale for $380.00 + shipping , w/o BCG or CH...

good buy ? how are PSA's compared to say DPMS ($432.00 w/bcg/ch + shipping @ Midway)

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Seems high to me. Not saying it's a bad upper just expensive... and not a real dissipator.
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Finally finished my first dissipator. I ended up with a Delton upper with HBAR barrel. Took her out last week ended up with stove pipes and FTF. Since the barrel was so darn heavy anyway, I shipped it off to Randell today to have the gas port opened and barrel profile changed. On a side note I'm never doing business with FedEx again.

Here is what she looked like before I shipped her off.


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Seems high to me. Not saying it's a bad upper just expensive... and not a real dissipator.
non rifle length gas system + Rifle FSP +16" Barrel= real Dissipator

"Dissipator" was originally coined by Bushmaster and had a carbine system.

Colt Model 605/601 had rifle length system on 16" barrel but they were never called Dissipators.
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Wow can't believe I haven't seen this! Just got a idea what to do next! Was going to build a M16A2 clone, I already have the a complete M16A2 lower but now instead I'm going to do a dissipator instead!!


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Can someone comment on the following assertion (in reference to the Spike's GMP Dissipator upper offered by AIM):
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...it utilizes a mid-length gas system that is reliable, soft shooting, and overall a better fit for the characteristic of a 16″ barrel.
I see a lot of rifle length gas systems here and am wondering what the "original" dissipator gas system was and if there's a benefit to mid vs rifle length.

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Og gas system was rifle length.... But i read there is reliabily issues with using that in a 16" barrel....now many companies offer a "mock" dissy with low pro gas block mid length gas system under handguards while still using a fsb in the rifle length position....therefore functioning just like a mid length with rifle length sight radius...cons is that dissys are somewhat nose heavy with this set up....i have this same setup....while accurate the balance of the rifle is a tad off.:.



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I just realized I missed some posts due to my posts-per-page setting being different than the default.

So sounds like the mid-length gas system is more front-heavy, but more reliable. It seems not many people are having issues with the rifle-length gas system if the port is sized appropriately... maybe an adjustable gas block in that situation makes the most sense.
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When we're talking about being nose heavy, it isn't much. A typical lopro gas block weighs maybe 1.5-2oz.

You also see carbine length gas systems on some of them.


What I'd somewhat like to do is fine an aluminum "FSB" and run a mock Dissy, as the standard FSB isn't light - mine weighs 5-6oz. Aluminum is about 1/3 the density of steel, taking 3-4oz off the very front of the rifle would be nice.
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Og gas system was rifle length.... But i read there is reliabily issues with using that in a 16" barrel....now many companies offer a "mock" dissy with low pro gas block mid length gas system under handguards while still using a fsb in the rifle length position....therefore functioning just like a mid length with rifle length sight radius...cons is that dissys are somewhat nose heavy with this set up....i have this same setup....while accurate the balance of the rifle is a tad off.:.



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No, original gas system was a carbine system and not a rifle system. Colt 605s had rifle systems but weren't dissipators. Original dissipators were made by Bushmaster.
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Had some spare parts lying around from an old 20" and thought I would build a Dissipator. Great info and great guns on here guys will be ordering my barrel tomorrow to complete my Dissipator..
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I'm interested in turning my AR into a mock Dissipator. It's a 16" barrel with a 12" MI free float forend. I'm considering just putting an A2 style front sight on.

My barrel is .750 up until close to the end, and then a little bit at the end is around .690. How long is a standard fixed sight? Any suggestions on which one to get?
To bump this thread and second this question ^:

Im thinking of making my latest build into a mock dizzy, its a 16" 300blk with carbine gas. I was going to re-use an old YHM FF rail I have lying around and want to put one of the clamp-on A2 FSB's on so -

Does anyone know how much room the clamp-on ones have to clamp onto a smaller profile part of the barrel?
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Does such a thing exist as an aluminum clamp on FSB? If you aren't using it as a gas block it doesn't need to be steel, and aluminum would save significant weight in one of the worst places for it to be.
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I built a rifle for a charity raffle a few months back....a 16 inch barrel with a midlength gas system...REALLY smooth shooter.....and it had a rifle length Samson evolution on ithas anyone ever considered doing a barrel with a non functional (gas wise) FSB and a mid length gas system under rifle handguards....would only take a couple hours to turn one out on the lathe.......
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Og gas system was rifle length.... But i read there is reliabily issues with using that in a 16" barrel....now many companies offer a "mock" dissy with low pro gas block mid length gas system under handguards while still using a fsb in the rifle length position....therefore functioning just like a mid length with rifle length sight radius.
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No, original gas system was a carbine system and not a rifle system. Colt 605s had rifle systems but weren't dissipators. Original dissipators were made by Bushmaster.
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Colt came up with the model 605 - 16" rifle gas, as a carbine
What is a carbine

Some 605 history

some more


Now also remember that the Model 605 was part of Colt's "CAR-15" family. But as history has shown the 605 had reliability issues so it was scrapped.

The term "Dissipator" was never used till bushmaster resurrected the looks of the 605, but went with a carbine gas system to improve reliability. Bushmaster is who coined it a "Dissipator"

So in reality we have two carbines in this thread...

- Colt Model 605 clones (16" barrel, rifle gas system)
- Bushmaster Dissipator clones (16" barrel, carbine gas system) (lumping middy's in here too)
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Got it together last night as I have been busy with work. Went with a DPMS heavy barrel full length rifle gas tube set up. I will get it out this weekend to see how functions..





Thanks guys for all the info. It really helped me in deciding what to do with this build.
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Very nice. Pretty much what my 300 build will look like if the barrel nut assembly ever shows up, only Im using a fixed iron rear instead of a carry handle.

Also - I answered my earlier question about the clamp-on FSB fitting further up on a Carbine barrel - it works, theres a bit of room for the FSB to adjust, but my barrel in wasn't much smaller than the GB area like I thought it was
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Just as an update with my build, using std carbine buffer and spring with an addax barrel I could not run any less gas on my adjustable block. Disappointed I sent extra on it only to not use it but we'll see what happens if I can get a lmos bcg in it
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My 300blk mock dissy. Waiting on the rest of my lower parts and then I'll paint her up for hogs this year
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