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Old 10-16-2011, 8:14 PM
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I have searched and googled like mad but I can't find the Jason Davis safe stickers about permission etc. Can someone post a link to where I can get some? Thanks.
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They aren't Davis, they are Michel and Assoc. If they don't have any more, drop me a PM, I believe I have a few extras.
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Calguns Foundation has some that will again be made available at our new storefront, which should be opening up next week.

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I have searched and googled like mad but I can't find the Jason Davis safe stickers about permission etc. Can someone post a link to where I can get some? Thanks.
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On Target has a stack of them. I think, free.
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You can get the Michel & Associates stickers hill billy is referring to (along with some other cool stuff) here: http://michellawyers.com/reference-m...er-free-stuff/

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Honestly, would these stickers be a good idea at all, or would they be just begging to attract attention and have LEA/O's fish and find an excuse for a warrant?

On a somewhat related note also, does Michaels & Associates (or any CGN/F associated law firm) have an iPhone app? I found one a while back that looked like it was from one of our friendly lawfirms, but couldn't be sure; and I didn't want to pay the money to fund someone I wasn't sure of and couldn't verify the validity of the legal advice.
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Calguns Foundation has some that will again be made available at our new storefront, which should be opening up next week.
I don't know if you already know this or not, but all the links in the store at the moment point to a "maintenance" page. That then gives a 404 error.
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New store? = More stuff yes?
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I have 2 magnetic on my smaller "safes" and 2 sticker type on my larger safes. These are thick and strong and well worth the money.
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I think so, they very similar to the gun case tags that we sell which are quite popular.
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Are these available yet?

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I used my lable maker to make a notice for my safe. It reads "No Farting Within 50 Feet"!!
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I have searched and googled like mad but I can't find the Jason Davis safe stickers about permission etc. Can someone post a link to where I can get some? Thanks.
We give them out for free at the range -- I "borrwed" the desigh from Chuck three years ago and try to keep them in stock -- they are free!
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Honestly, would these stickers be a good idea at all, or would they be just begging to attract attention and have LEA/O's fish and find an excuse for a warrant?

Does anybody have any ideas on this topic?
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In reality the stickers do nothing. Only a person can invoke a right or give up a right.

Simply this. If a LEO is at a place where your safe is and it's locked. just how would he get in?

The only way would be for you or someone with the combination to open it for him.

So he could ask for permission to look inside... Sticker or no your verbal response could give him permission to look inside if you opened it for him...

If you said no to his request you would not open it.

So the sticker had zero relevance.

Now if the LEO had a warrant which allowed him to search. The sticker would again mean nothing because a warrant gives him the authority to search, which includes using force if needed to open the safe.

So in effect the stickers are nothing but a novel way of advertising.

I have a few on my safes just for the humor factor.
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In reality the stickers do nothing. Only a person can invoke a right or give up a right.

Simply this. If a LEO is at a place where your safe is and it's locked. just how would he get in?

The only way would be for you or someone with the combination to open it for him.

So he could ask for permission to look inside... Sticker or no your verbal response could give him permission to look inside if you opened it for him...

If you said no to his request you would not open it.

So the sticker had zero relevance.

Now if the LEO had a warrant which allowed him to search. The sticker would again mean nothing because a warrant gives him the authority to search, which includes using force if needed to open the safe.

So in effect the stickers are nothing but a novel way of advertising.

I have a few on my safes just for the humor factor.
But isn't there also the possibility that they could have a warrant that WOULDN'T cover the ability to search the safe, but try to use it as a way to strong arm/lie their way in to doing so? Or what if they are already inside the house (for whatever hypothetical reason, say a B&E), and see that sticker there? Could that possibly cause them to fish for a reason to try and look inside the safe?
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But isn't there also the possibility that they could have a warrant that WOULDN'T cover the ability to search the safe, but try to use it as a way to strong arm/lie their way in to doing so? Or what if they are already inside the house (for whatever hypothetical reason, say a B&E), and see that sticker there? Could that possibly cause them to fish for a reason to try and look inside the safe?
Not really. The purpose of a search warrant is to search for evidence of the crime they are investigating. In every single warrant I have written or read there is the phraseology which allows the search of any and all containers.

Since a safe is a "container", this allows opening the safe for the search.

The container search request is pretty much "boilerplate" wording in any and all search warrants.

It would be real stupid to request a search warrant and NOT request permission to look in a safe, which is the number one place where people hide things they don't want others to see or have access to.........


As I said, absent a warrant only someone with the combination can open the safe. So the sticker is irrelevant. If there were a burglary and the safe was still locked afterwards it would be up to the person in control of the safe to decide if they wanted to allow a LEO access to it.
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New store? = More stuff yes?
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These are not just for the LEO - they are for the gun owner. We need to be reminded that we have rights. If, for some reason, you have an encounter with a LEO, there's a good chance that you may feel some pressure, and maybe forget your rights, this can prompt you to take a breath... and assert your rights.
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They're another form of possible insurance that you have to know how to use...or they're meaningless. My personal experience.

CHP seemed to struggle with the concept "I do not consent to a search". After finding the sticker on a safe, and claiming that the magazines being next to the unloaded pistol and not inserted constituted a felony charge - let alone the fact that the safe was in the passenger door (not permanently attached), they insisted on their fishing expedition. In their mind, "all roads / all codes" also means "ignore all rights". Finding a 30 round AR15 magazine after an "inventory search" gave them license, in their mind, for a fishing expedition asking "where's the rifle" multiple times and breaking into locked containers in the car. Of the dozens of long guns I own, not one was in the car...how did that happen?

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They're another form of possible insurance that you have to know how to use...or they're meaningless. My personal experience.

CHP seemed to struggle with the concept "I do not consent to a search". After finding the sticker on a safe, and claiming that the magazines being next to the unloaded pistol and not inserted constituted a felony charge - let alone the fact that the safe was in the passenger door (not permanently attached), they insisted on their fishing expedition. In their mind, "all roads / all codes" also means "ignore all rights". Finding a 30 round AR15 magazine after an "inventory search" gave them license, in their mind, for a fishing expedition asking "where's the rifle" multiple times and breaking into locked containers in the car. Of the dozens of long guns I own, not one was in the car...how did that happen?

Never underestimate an LEO's ignorance or disinterest in the laws they attempt to enforce.

So, basically this is to CYA for those "over zealous" LEO's?
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More CYA for you to remember your rights.....And a interesting conversation piece.

Remember it's just a sign on a sticker or magnet. Only people can invoke or give up a right.
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