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Old 10-12-2011, 7:41 PM
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...=255000517#PIC

Note image No. 8.

It says: M4 Carbine and that's it...

Is Colt finally realizing they can sell in Calif. again?
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That's a pretty sweet colt. Nice!
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I wouldn't want one with that anti-sear webbing. Its not that I would install a DIAS or a third hole, I just don't agree with Colt producing lowers where they force laws on honest people as if we can not be trusted.

Yes the roll mark is legal. Its not for CA, its a trend to limit multiple manufacturing lines.
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The Colt M4 Carbine is nice, however I don't think its worth the lost of your 2nd, court case, and cost of rifle 15X (legal defense). Beside even if you were to win your case again the county DA, $1150 is worth the cost in losing your job, car, and home.

If you want an AR15 that bad buy a LMT, Daniel Defense, LWRC, STAG, Noveske or Many other Off List Rifle

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Have bad Credit Rating for 10 years, losing all personal properties: = -$40000 or more

In Jail and not bailing out, get cold food, where other people cloths that don't smell clean, sleeping on a thin 2 inch mattress, smelling other people take that you don't want to smell, have other people butt naked and strip searched at anytime, losing your manhood in jail because you had a stupid idea of buying a Colt AR15, and sleeping in your own place because you bought a Off List Lower Receiver ====== PRICELESS!!!!!!!

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You should be fine - it's not the first Colt to be off list. It is a little more aggressive vis a vis LE contacts than an off list brand, but it is legal, and more Colt AR's in California is a good thing. Go for it!
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lol 1200 for a colt with magpul swag.
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Note image No. 8.

It says: M4 Carbine and that's it...

Is Colt finally realizing they can sell in Calif. again?

No, SP denotes the "SPORTER" line, which is banned by name. The only readily available Colt to Californians now is the LE6940, which will soon be tough to find at a dealer near you.
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You should be fine - it's not the first Colt to be off list. It is a little more aggressive vis a vis LE contacts than an off list brand, but it is legal, and more Colt AR's in California is a good thing. Go for it!
+1 on that, also coming out later is the Colt 9mm carbines, labeled COLT SMG, that is just too cool. imho.
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The Colt M4 Carbine is nice, however I don't think its worth the lost of your 2nd, court case, and cost of rifle 15X (legal defense). Beside even if you were to win your case again the county DA, $1150 is worth the cost in losing your job, car, and home.

If you want an AR15 that bad buy a LMT, Daniel Defense, LWRC, STAG, Noveske or Many other Off List Rifle

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Have bad Credit Rating for 10 years, losing all personal properties: = -$40000 or more

In Jail and not bailing out, get cold food, where other people cloths that don't smell clean, sleeping on a thin 2 inch mattress, smelling other people take that you don't want to smell, have other people butt necked and strip searched at anytime, losing your manhood in jail because you had a stupid idea of buying a Colt AR15, and sleeping in your own place because you bought a Off List Lower Receiver ====== PRICELESS!!!!!!!
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No, SP denotes the "SPORTER" line, which is banned by name. The only readily available Colt to Californians now is the LE6940, which will soon be tough to find at a dealer near you.
Isn't that the serial number?
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Isn't that the serial number?
SP6920? No, that's the model of the rifle...sorta like LE6920/LE6940, etc.
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The Colt M4 Carbine is nice, however I don't think its worth the lost of your 2nd, court case, and cost of rifle 15X (legal defense). Beside even if you were to win your case again the county DA, $1150 is worth the cost in losing your job, car, and home.

If you want an AR15 that bad buy a LMT, Daniel Defense, LWRC, STAG, Noveske or Many other Off List Rifle

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Bailing out of Jail because you're locked up and about to lose you job: = -$15000 or more
Have bad Credit Rating for 10 years, losing all personal properties: = -$40000 or more

In Jail and not bailing out, get cold food, where other people cloths that don't smell clean, sleeping on a thin 2 inch mattress, smelling other people take that you don't want to smell, have other people butt necked and strip searched at anytime, losing your manhood in jail because you had a stupid idea of buying a Colt AR15, and sleeping in your own place because you bought a Off List Lower Receiver ====== PRICELESS!!!!!!!
FUD.
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SP6920? No, that's the model of the rifle...sorta like LE6920/LE6940, etc.
Nope, check the picture again. The serial number is SP 500 etc. There is no model number on the receiver other than M4.

I would think that unless Colt says the SP at the beginning of the serial number stands for Sporter it may well be legal.
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Ok if you are that brave and free, find a FFL dealer in California that is willing for them to DROS a "Colt" marked lower receiver. 9.95 out of 10 dealers will not DROS this receiver just because it say "Colt" it does not matter if it a "Colt Sporter" or not! You can do the "Colt" upper receiver all day. Did you forget, one technical word can be undone and cost you big time. Do you think a FFL is willing lose their license and face a court case themself?? If you if FFL dealer with radioactive nutz and ballz of steel to DROS this item, them you're lucky!

Don't get judge by 12 of 18 by the people of California.

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When in doubt, check will the FFL and see if they will DROS it. If it's "No" by sereval FFL's, then you have your answer!!

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Ok if you are that brave and free, find a FFL dealer in California that is willing for them to DROS a "Colt" marked lower receiver. 9.95 out of 10 dealers will not DROS this receiver just because it say "Colt" it does not matter if it a "Colt Sporter" or not! You can do the "Colt" upper receiver all day. Did you forget, one technical word can be undone and cost you big time. Do you think a FFL is willing lose their license and face a court case themself?? If you if FFL dealer with radioactive nutz and ballz of steel to DROS this item, them you're lucky!

Don't get judge by 12 of 18 by the people of California.

If you get arrested because somebody is trying to make example of you, I promise to put $10 dollars on your books. DA's don't have a 95% conviction rate for nonething!
More FUD.

There are numerous FFL's that will DROS a Colt receiver without hesitation, and without a single problem.

I own a Colt M4 (6921), and there are several in California. With this model in particular, no one is going to be arrested and have their weapon confiscated for simply having a Colt rollmark on a receiver. In fact, mine would be subject to more scrutiny by LE than this one.

DA's pick cases they know they can win, and the monetary value you place on avoiding prosecution could be argued and won by a Public Defender armed with a copy of the Kasler List. Of course, I can only speak for the Colt M4 that I own.

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Nope, check the picture again. The serial number is SP 500 etc. There is no model number on the receiver other than M4.

I would think that unless Colt says the SP at the beginning of the serial number stands for Sporter it may well be legal.
The seller explicitly states SP6920 in the auction title and the documents that come with the rifle are bound to say Sporter. Colt puts it plain on their site:

http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/Colt...tSporters.aspx

Colt effectively made it harder for CA folks to own one of their rifles.
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=447774

Can I QED this yet? Or do you prefer the square with the dot in it?
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EBR Works and OC Armory immediately come to mind.
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No, SP denotes the "SPORTER" line, which is banned by name. The only readily available Colt to Californians now is the LE6940, which will soon be tough to find at a dealer near you.
Hmmm, everything I've ever read here says it's all about what the receiver says. If they rolled Spoter by accident, it would not be a named receiver (as long it doesn't say AR-15 either.)

But I do agree with everyone that says its better to be cautious and I suppose they could jam you based on what the box it comes in says too: it says SP6920MP B. Since 6920 is named, this would not be good. But the receiver says nothing of the sort.

Here is a pic of the box it comes in.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_29/20...___help__.html
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It's not about FUD, it's about being cautious. Why buy something that can get you in deep **** that can be very easily avoided? An LWRC, LMT, Noveske are considered higher up than Colt AR's.

If Colt was the BEST AR manufacturer I would understand people wanting one so bad, but there are better options.
There are people who would honestly take a Colt over an LWRC, LMT or Noveske.
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That's a tough one. It says it's a 6920 which is totally banned, but it doesn't have any of the banned markings. Call the OC armory guys. They should give you an answer. The same people selling that gun sold me a 6933 lower. It's ca legal and I got it no problem in ca. They didnt even have to put a bullet button on it. That one is ca legal for sure.
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It's not about FUD, it's about being cautious. Why buy something that can get you in deep **** that can be very easily avoided? An LWRC, LMT, Noveske are considered higher up than Colt AR's.

If Colt was the BEST AR manufacturer I would understand people wanting one so bad, but there are better options.
Considered a better option by whom?

As soon as the U.S. Army or Marine Corps award a defense contact to Noveske, LMT or likewise manufacturer, that statement might hold some merit. Until then, I'm not entirely sure that I understand the comparasin, or why the comparasion is even being made.

FUD is the unfounded assertion that a Colt rifle will be confiscated on sight, or that an FFL will not DROS a Colt rifle.
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That's a tough one. It says it's a 6920 which is totally banned, but it doesn't have any of the banned markings. Call the OC armory guys. They should give you an answer. The same people selling that gun sold me a 6933 lower. It's ca legal and I got it no problem in ca. They didnt even have to put a bullet button on it. That one is ca legal for sure.
Do you have put a button on a lower if there is no upper, receiver extention or grip?

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The Colt M4 Carbine is nice, however I don't think its worth the lost of your 2nd, court case, and cost of rifle 15X (legal defense). Beside even if you were to win your case again the county DA, $1150 is worth the cost in losing your job, car, and home.

If you want an AR15 that bad buy a LMT, Daniel Defense, LWRC, STAG, Noveske or Many other Off List Rifle

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Lost you job and fight a court case by the county DA: = -$25000 or more
Bailing out of Jail because you're locked up and about to lose you job: = -$15000 or more
Have bad Credit Rating for 10 years, losing all personal properties: = -$40000 or more

In Jail and not bailing out, get cold food, where other people cloths that don't smell clean, sleeping on a thin 2 inch mattress, smelling other people take that you don't want to smell, have other people butt naked and strip searched at anytime, losing your manhood in jail because you had a stupid idea of buying a Colt AR15, and sleeping in your own place because you bought a Off List Lower Receiver ====== PRICELESS!!!!!!!
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Ok if you are that brave and free, find a FFL dealer in California that is willing for them to DROS a "Colt" marked lower receiver. 9.95 out of 10 dealers will not DROS this receiver just because it say "Colt" it does not matter if it a "Colt Sporter" or not! You can do the "Colt" upper receiver all day. Did you forget, one technical word can be undone and cost you big time. Do you think a FFL is willing lose their license and face a court case themself?? If you if FFL dealer with radioactive nutz and ballz of steel to DROS this item, them you're lucky!

Don't get judge by 12 of 18 by the people of California.

If you get arrested because somebody is trying to make example of you, I promise to put $10 dollars on your books. DA's don't have a 95% conviction rate for nonething!

When in doubt, check will the FFL and see if they will DROS it. If it's "No" by sereval FFL's, then you have your answer!!
You just don't get it. The M4 IS AN OLL! Many FFLs would not DROS ANY OLL just a few years ago. That doesn't make it legal or illegal. The FACT is that the Colt M4 is NOT LISTED and therefor is 100% legal in California if configured properly. If your FFL is a putz, find a new FFL who understands the laws in the state. But, whatever you do, please understand the laws BEFORE you give legal advise. The advice and reasoning you've given so far clearly indicates that you don't know what you are talking about.
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If you go through a FFL and he processes it trough CA DOJ and nothing is rejected and you have it documented, then what is the issue? Why would anyone get in trouble? Colt or not?
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That is the million dollar question. No one knows why... but for whatever reason... people get in trouble.
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The seller explicitly states SP6920 in the auction title and the documents that come with the rifle are bound to say Sporter. Colt puts it plain on their site:

http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/Colt...tSporters.aspx

Colt effectively made it harder for CA folks to own one of their rifles.
Thank you for the clarification.
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No, SP denotes the "SPORTER" line, which is banned by name. The only readily available Colt to Californians now is the LE6940, which will soon be tough to find at a dealer near you.
The CAR-A3 HBAR Elite is also CA legal.
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Colt is doing away with the sporter line and it will just be M4 carbine. Colt also currently has rifles listed at the major distributors with bullet buttons from the factory (presumably.) When I called the distributors about these they indicated that they should be available shortly. The trick is to make sure the inventory that you order doesn't have the old stock Sporter lower.
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No, SP denotes the "SPORTER" line, which is banned by name. .
FAIL. "SP" is just two characters in the serial #.

The receiver itself is off-list and is fine. Putting an R6500 upper on it would form an entirely legal Colt gun.

Now, this whole gun being termed in marketing materials as Sporter is at least problematic - and thus a
situation quite similar to that of the six or seven banned Rock River Arms guns being based on off-list LAR15
receivers.

Now, one could easily argue that with quite a bit of modification to upper that is not a SP6920 anymore;
Colt has a right to its model number designators as referring to certain configurations (regardless of evil
features).

What we DON'T need now is to have to fight Son-of-Harrott about applicability of sub-Series.
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I don't think people understand what "off list" means.

Off list is off list. That's it.

Where are all the doom and gloomers when it comes to the 6 models of LISTED Rock River Arms rifles? Why is this FUD only applied to Colt?

The rifle in the OP is off list. Off list means OFF LIST. That's a California-legal rifle if configured properly with a bullet button and 10rd mags or through going featureless.

It's just as off-list as a Rock River Arms, or an LMT, or a Noveske.
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The military is under a budget, they don't have an infinite amount of money to switch small arms when ever they want. LMT, LWRC, Noveske, Knights Armament aren't more expensive "just because", they obviously have something extra to offer.

NO the Colt will not be confiscated on sight and knowledgeable FFL's WILL dros it, however it will take an extra effort to convince some or find the guy who is willing to do it.

OP must be aware that this particular rifle could potentially(not definitely) bring him problems down the road. Were not saying DON'T buy an AR were just letting him know that particular rifle could quite possibly bring unwanted attention down the road.

In the end, his money, not ours, but buyer beware. He could end up being the "test case", if he's up to that, more power to him.

As another calgunner noticed, I lost interest as soon as I saw this image:


I don't need a gun manufacturer to be my nanny, shame on you Colt.



If that's what you want by all means take it. we just want you to be aware of the risk involved in possessing that particular rifle. In no way am I in favor of the banned list, I wished it never existed and we didn't even have conversations about off list lowers, which one's on the list and which one isn't.


Forgive me here, but are you looking at the block so as not to make it full auto down the road or what are you going after here?
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PS, the lack of machining in the lower receiver to accomodate a FA trigger should be the least of any Californian's concern.
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The seller explicitly states SP6920 in the auction title and the documents that come with the rifle are bound to say Sporter. Colt puts it plain on their site:

http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/Colt...tSporters.aspx

Colt effectively made it harder for CA folks to own one of their rifles.
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Illegal

Look at the AW Flowchart under Appendix B

Colt: Sporter (all)


From the Colt Website: "Colt’s Manufacturing Company re-introduces the renowned Sporter line of firearms with the SP6920 and the SP6940, carbines with all the features you would want on a modern rifle."
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