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Old 09-16-2011, 8:16 AM
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Default Time to say goodbye to the military!!!

Have you ever worked your *** off to be the best at what you do to get screwed in the end because you are the best at what you do? This doesn't make any sense to me. I am an aircraft mechanic, I have worked on C-5's for about three years and have worked on C-17s for 5. My experience is priceless when it comes to keeping these planes in the air. Most people who have been doing this longer than me have moved on to office jockey jobs and would no longer know what to do with a wrench when handed one. Mainly because the aircraft have been modded with improvements involving more high tech avionics systems that would boggle their minds and cause confusion. Many of the individuals that would have the same amount of experience as I have are now seperated because they did not want to live on the road and spend the majority of there enlistments in the desert supporting what was OIF/OEF and is now New Dawn. I don't blame them a bit. But... I have stuck it out and so have a few others. I am a hydraulics specialist by trade, however I cross-utilization trained into the crew chief career field as well. I am now a flying crew chief. My job is to make sure that the aircraft I am flying on is safe and serviceable in between home station and en route locations, mainly flying to the desert and back from the states. Bringing our troops the equipment and weapons systems they need at the "front line." Also bringing them into and out of theater. Without us doing what we do, they would suffer... no one else. That is why I take my job so serious. But back at home station my shop(hydraulics) is suffering. They need more 7 levels(craftsmen). So they are possibly grounding me. The bad part about it is they will be replacing me with some young crew chief with half of the experience I have(if that). This is absolute crap. Nobody will benefit from this. I am not technically getting demoted, but it sure as hell feels like it. I am going to go back to a boring *** non-challengeing job that I have already peaked at. The air force is really F'n up on this one. I am not the only one who is suffering from these manning cuts, in the end the whole military is. We have too great a mission and too few individuals to do it. This is going to lead to losing qualified people. Not many second term airmen will be reenlisting. These are the subject matter experts that the airforce needs. First term airmen do alot of training. Second term airmen are the experts, while third term airmen are second line supervisors who rely mainly on the second term airmen to maintain the mission. Of course there are 4th term airmen but if you ask me they are seperated from us such a great deal that they do not know how to manage us and end up doing more harm than any good to the mission. Then there are officers, who make decisions reguarding how we support the mission based on the advise from the fourth term airmen. So the airforce is going to be losing many of the most important airmen supporting the mission. WTF! How come they don't see these things happening. I am not one to stand bye in life at idle and not be challanged. I have to move on, it was a long hard ride. I have enjoyed alot of my time in, have suffered through the rest, am proud of what I have done. But if there is no room for self improvement, then I must say fairwell. Thanks for listening, Haha
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Old 09-16-2011, 8:57 AM
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This is hilarious.

Why? Because itís the same thing everywhere else in life. Me: 39 year old finance professional for a bank/credit union the last 18 years. I got to watch the industry rise and fall the last 18 years. I worked for Wells Fargo when it was only a California bank. It is now 100 times larger (this is no exaggeration). Now I work for a credit union thatís only 1/1000th the size of Wells Fargo

I got to watch and do regulatory hoop jumping. I got to see that banks can invest in crazy instruments while credit unions cannot (where I work now), because credit unions have to show regulators they have the expertise on hand to handle complex investments, while it is assumed banks already have that knowledge base on staff.

THEN!!!!!! I got to see banks collapse under their size, and incompetence, and then say to regulators they simply are too big, and that management doesnítí understand the complexity of some of these derivative transactions THE VERY BUSINESSES THEY SAY THEY ARE QUALIFIED TO DO TO BEGIN WITH WHEN CREDIT UNIONS CANNOT ENGAGE IN CRAZY THINGS.

Prior to my current job I worked for a bank that no longer exits. My job there existed solely so my company could avoid paying income taxes in North Carolina. I had a window seat to the collapse of the financial industry in 2008

My current company lost $40M in my first here year, in the second year we lost $8M, and are only down $1M so far this year. My mentality is even a dead man stops bleeding.

Guess what, SCREW!!!!!!!!!!! THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

I joined the army reserves.

Today is the LAST DAY of my current job, and I WILL NOT be coming back to the world of finance when I get back from AIT. I will only apply for non banking related jobs, and hopefully can leverage my new training.

What I know now at least is I don't expect much ďpersonal reward" out of the military. I just know it won't be banking that drives me insane. Maybe the Army will, maybe they won't. The important thing is I really don't care, and I'm not naive enough to think it will solve my problems. It just gives me new opportunities I can only hope to leverage.
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Old 09-16-2011, 9:43 AM
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Sorry to hear about that brother. I hope you find something that you like to do.
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Old 09-16-2011, 9:52 AM
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i've always said this: the flightline is f'n murder.
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Maybe im being a little rash. I came home super pissed. I gotta seriously consider cross training or palace chase, but me and the family are getting a little tired of the military life. Who knows, I sure as heck don't.
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Maybe im being a little rash. I came home super pissed. I gotta seriously consider cross training or palace chase, but me and the family are getting a little tired of the military life. Who knows, I sure as heck don't.
Change is good, just don't go about it too rash. I just didn't up and quit my career. I was fed up 4 years ago, and just eventually got to this point through a series of attempts to change things.
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Old 09-16-2011, 10:51 AM
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Never make a career decision while your emotions are high. Give it a few days or a week, then come back with clear head and involve your family in the decision about what to do next. Sounds like a big part of your job satisfaction is knowing that you are serving a cause, and that other people rely on you doing your job for their very lives. You take a civilian job somewhere and you won't have that, and more money doesn't necessarily make you happier (although it does help buy that next AR-15).

Also, talk to your superiors and share your feelings about the situation, but do so in a neutral or constructive manner - don't go in *****ing and moaning, no boss wants to hear that. You may find they are more receptive to constructive feedback than you think.

Good luck and thank you for your dedicated service.
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Maybe im being a little rash. I came home super pissed. I gotta seriously consider cross training or palace chase, but me and the family are getting a little tired of the military life. Who knows, I sure as heck don't.
I spent 24+ years wearing the blue. I started off in the mid-80's as an F-16 crew dog. I loved what I did, but eventually cross-trained into Comm. You are running into a wall that most people hit at one point or another. You burn out on the job, the life, and the bullshizzle that goes along with working for an employer that actively wants to kill you. You can really only go up, and become more of a manager than a technician, or go out and become the sillyvilian you used to be. Good luck in whatever you do.
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Old 09-16-2011, 10:40 PM
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You sound like me right before I got out the first time.
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Old 09-17-2011, 7:17 AM
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I work in the medical field and being punished for being the best in your field is a common practice. Hang in there.

We appreciate your service. My brother is a flying crew chief stationed in England right now. He's actually flying around the desert as we speak.
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Old 09-18-2011, 8:31 PM
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Not to be too big of a d!ck (I have a knack for that at times), but you basically just stated the obvious in the fact that the system is broken.
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If you want to stay a flying crew chief join the ANG and become a technician.
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Old 09-20-2011, 7:08 AM
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Same thing happens in all branches of service. The Corps is kicking out good knowledgeable men and women for being a little heavy or just closing the MOS while retianing all the smaller and some what weaker Marines cause they look good in uniform. I saw a lot of duty experts and great leaders leave because of this and I even saw officers getting pink slips cause they are football player size (TE, WR).
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Old 09-23-2011, 6:11 PM
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Yep, its happening to everyone (or so it seems). I'm Air Trans, load/service the aircraft and it seems that its only going down hill. We deploy more and longer then come home and ask for leave, only for it to be denied because of manning. Most of my friends have already gotten out or cross trained. I'm on the fence, its get out next year or get a new job. Oct 1st I'm filing for cross training to be a loadmaster.

Air Trans just seems to get screwed all the time. Its very hard and lots of hard labor. (A lot of people on profile because of it or just trying to get away from PT testing...)

Take some time and figure it out, sucks I know. Next year will be my 8th year and time to re-enlist or call it quits. I'm hoping to stay in but it seems our benefits and retirement are always on the chopping block by congress. What do they expect if they take away or change our benefits. I'm sure its only gotten harder for the Vets that are alraedy retired but best of luck to you.
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....hmmm.....seems like an opportune time to deploy your best FUMU. In my limited experience in the Army, it was always my observation that the most deserving didn't get the best assignments or promotions, but rather the screw ups that had shown minimal improvement since their last brain fart.

You are in the military. You are just a tool to them. Count on getting twisted from time to time.

Hang in there. We all appreciate the job that you are doing and your dedication to being on the line. Stay strong and keep your chin up. Maybe this time will allow you to finish an AA or Bachelor's degree that will get you faster promotion later. Use those lemons....

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Stay in if you can and find another career field. That is why I ended up with three career fields.
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Stay in if you can and find another career field. That is why I ended up with three career fields.
The OP's post was over two years ago....
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I thought C-5's were the best because they broke down everywhere they went and you spent a week on vacation waiting for the part to arrive to get back home.
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The OP's post was over two years ago....
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