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View Poll Results: Which handgun hold do you use?
Weaver 66 39.05%
Isosceles 89 52.66%
Other, please explain 22 13.02%
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Old 09-14-2011, 1:24 PM
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Hey guys, I was curious as to what handgun stance and hold calgunners use and prefer. I wanna hear from each of you of what hold you use and why you use it. A majority of the time I use the Weaver hold but occasionally I'll use the Isosceles hold just to get familiar with both.
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I think both have their time and place, but I mostly shoot isosceles because its what I was taught and what felt the most consistent for me.
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Center Axis Relock. I'm not in an debating mood, so I'm not going to try to defend it against other's opinions. I just really like the feel of it, it works for me.
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I remember reading a very fascinating/interesting interview with Jack Weaver himself, where he said that the specific details of the grip and stance were not nearly as important as using a good two hand grip and getting lots of practice. While I suspect lots of “instructors” will try to convince their students that one or the other is better, it has been my experience that I do equally well with both.

To me it is a little like hearing that my slide release is no longer to be used to release the slide, and that I should grip the rear of the side, pull it back a fraction letting it slam forward. That to me is a silly waste of time and motion, but then of course the way we have been doing it for 90 years is wrong, and the new way is the only way.

Now this should get a few comments.

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I go with weaver because it's comfortable for me, I don't like the isosceles myself.

Also on a locked-back slide I use the slide release, I don't pull the slide to chamber a fresh magazine. That's kind of dumb IMO :P
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I remember reading a very fascinating/interesting interview with Jack Weaver himself, where he said that the specific details of the grip and stance were not nearly as important as using a good two hand grip and getting lots of practice. While I suspect lots of “instructors” will try to convince their students that one or the other is better, it has been my experience that I do just as well with both.

To me it is a little like hearing that my slide release is no longer to be used to release the slide, and that I should grip the rear of the side, pull it back a fraction and letting it slam forward. That to me is a silly waste of time and motion, but then of course the way we have been doing it for 90 years is wrong, and the new way is the only way.

Now this should get a few comments.
Thanks for the info and you are correct about one not being better than the other but that wasn't my intention for creating this thread. I just want to get an idea of what people prefer and why.
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I tend to use Weaver and CAR when in a training course or if, heaven forbid, in a real incident.

For competition (USPSA) I'm turning more and more to Isosceles as combined with a parallel thumb grip I have better recoil control and, hence, speed.
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isosceles, it was good for magnum pi, its good for me.
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isosceles. I used to use weaver but I find a shoot better (faster) with isosceles
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Weaver/modified weaver....
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Iso was the way I was taught and makes the most sense as to why it's taught.

Though I think grip is just as if not more important than stance in which case I use the thumbs forward grip

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Modified weaver. Just feel right. Not sure why, but it works for me.
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I go with weaver because it's comfortable for me, I don't like the isosceles myself.

Also on a locked-back slide I use the slide release, I don't pull the slide to chamber a fresh magazine. That's kind of dumb IMO :P
A lot of modern guns nowadays does not have a slide release, that is why it's called a slide lock!
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A lot of modern guns nowadays does not have a slide release, that is why it's called a slide lock!
GLOCKs have a slide lock that keeps the slide on the pistol and when pushed down allows the slide assembly to be removed.

They have a slide stop lever that stops the slide from moving forward when the slide is cycled with an empty magazine in the pistol and the lever also has an external piece that allows the user to manually set the slide in that position and release it from that position.

Terminology is so confusing sometimes! LOL

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I use weaver because it it virtually the same stance when transitioning to rifles and shotguns. Grip, I use fingers on fingers, thumbs on thumbs. When combined these two work well for me and my pursuit of becoming a certified Handgun Combat Master.
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I rock the Phat Bammer stance mostly!

When at the range I usually go with something between the Weaver and Isosceles. Typically I will have the upper body close to an Isosceles stance, while my feet may be more like a Weaver. I like have a foot back, but my hips and shoulders are generally squared towards the target.
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I think both have their time and place, but I mostly shoot isosceles because its what I was taught and what felt the most consistent for me.
^^^ This ^^^ other than I predominately shoot Weaver.
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I use weaver because it it virtually the same stance when transitioning to rifles and shotguns. Grip, I use fingers on fingers, thumbs on thumbs. When combined these two work well for me and my pursuit of becoming a certified Handgun Combat Master.
Do you put one thumb on top of the other parallel or do you "cross" them?
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I always try to shoot isosceles when I have a new handgun just to feel for it, but more comfortable at the weaver stance.
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Bazillionth thread on stance/grip. Gives me a chance to repost this classic photo!

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I spent years training on the modified weaver. Which works really great when moving. So when I doubt I run home to momma. However, I have spent a lot of time working on Isosolese over the past couple of years. I love both. Both have times when they work best and the other only sorta works.
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I spent years training on the modified weaver. Which works really great when moving. So when I doubt I run home to momma. However, I have spent a lot of time working on Isosolese over the past couple of years. I love both. Both have times when they work best and the other only sorta works.
So you suggest that I continue to train with both?
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I use the modified Isosceles stance because it's better.
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I use the Iscoceles because I see competitive shooters using it, or something like it.

Honestly I don't know which one is better and having nothing else to base it on, that's what I did. I used to use an ineffective Weaver-like stance, but I was just guessing at it. Yes, I know, I should take lessons. I don't even know if I'm doing Iscoceles correctly.
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Modified isosceles.
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I use the Iscoceles because I see competitive shooters using it, or something like it.

Honestly I don't know which one is better and having nothing else to base it on, that's what I did. I used to use an ineffective Weaver-like stance, but I was just guessing at it. Yes, I know, I should take lessons. I don't even know if I'm doing Iscoceles correctly.
Not sure if you've seen this but it might help. You have to scroll to approximately the middle of the page and it talks about the Weaver and Isosceles stance.

http://www.azccw.com/marksmanship.htm
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I arch my back pull my head back as far as it will go like I'm trying to get my face as far away from the gun as possible
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Do you put one thumb on top of the other parallel or do you "cross" them?
I put my suport side thumb over my firing side thumb, but I keep my thumbs up very high.
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I was taught isosceles, but then again I was taught "supporting hand thumb wrapped around shooting hand" grip learning on a revolver, and I don't think they teach that grip anymore even with a revolver in case someone picks up a semi-auto, puts their thumb back there by habit, and has the knuckle ripped open by the slide...

Nowadays it's a Weaver or Chapman stance for me.
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Varies. If I'm wearing gear it's isoceles. No gear then modified iso or weaver.
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Varies. If I'm wearing gear it's isoceles. No gear then modified iso or weaver.
Why does it matter if you're wearing gear or not?
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Why does it matter if you're wearing gear or not?
uh because gear is bulky. try shooting an m16 with an otv the lop increases and is cumbersome. i removed my neck gator/throat protector because i hate it. dont get me wrong sometimes its useful, but ill take mobility over too much protection.

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I have to say other.

Mclovin kill shot style.



I was taught by 8 navy seals, Bear Grills and Bruce Lee all in one session. They all agreed this was the best way.

Chuck Norris made an appearance but its Chuck Norris.. Come on.. he doesn't have time to school me

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Modified Weaver.
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To me it is a little like hearing that my slide release is no longer to be used to release the slide, and that I should grip the rear of the side, pull it back a fraction letting it slam forward. That to me is a silly waste of time and motion, but then of course the way we have been doing it for 90 years is wrong, and the new way is the only way.

Now this should get a few comments.
Someone please explain the wisdom of this to me, it seems completely retarded. I always thought the magpul dudes like to do it in their videos to try and look cool and tactical for the camera
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video yourself shooting under stress, there is your answer.

Probably looks like Isos, with some funky footwork depending on where the target happens to be in relation to myself.
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