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Old 09-03-2011, 11:35 PM
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Default Do you think it's a good idea to have a little device to actuate the bullet button?

Like a, FOR INSTANCE, a little pin, attached to AR 15 by a short cord, chain to actuate the bullet button.

Instead of fumbling for a bullet.

Please think about this before responding.

You can't keep bullet in your hand to push the button as you're doing other manual dexterity stuff.

If a round is on the bench, you have to reach down and poke at the button, of if all your ammo is in your mags, or you lose the one round you have for that purpose.

Would it be faster/fastest to have a little pin that's right there on the trigger guard to push the button.

Just trying to get some ideas on faster reloading.



This bullet button thing has made the AR into a M1 Garand, or Moisin Nagant. Limited capacity and not quick to reload.
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You can't have a bullet button tool attached to the rifle. I use a glove with a rivot in the middle finger.
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I use a roofing nail through a glove. Same concept as Don. However, with grip wraps I don't need to muck with any tools.
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If only there were something bullet shaped lying around when I was shooting....
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Your "tool" cant be connected to the rifle.

Look at raddlock. that way if your worried about SHTF. Laws wont matter and you wont be stuck with a BB when the time comes. Just unscrew and go. I love mine for ease of use when I put in my 22LR bolt or go out to the AZ desert.

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you can hang a tool from the rifle via a string or something. so you dont loose it. but i am 100% with ^^^ that guy about the radlock. or try the bullet button convertible. they are also making little "winkies" that double tape to the bottom of your mag and act as a tool
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you can hang a tool from the rifle via a string or something. so you dont loose it. but i am 100% with ^^^ that guy about the radlock. or try the bullet button convertible. they are also making little "winkies" that double tape to the bottom of your mag and act as a tool
No, you can't hang it from the rifle via a string - the tool cannot be attached to the gun in any way. UBBT is the way to go.
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You may as well loose the BB if you attach a tool to your firearm, either way you are looking at a felony. I dont mind using a tool if at the range, not looking for tactical reloads while out plinking. If you attend any type of training course I believe you can have a standard mag release, not 100% on that but it is my understanding.

EDIT: please someone correct me if I am wrong about the last statement I made.
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No you can't. Use the UBBT, with some practice it's almost as fast.

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People in AZ and NV are reading this thread and having a good laugh.
And people in NY are wishing they could use the BB maglocks.
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Geez.... please sticky somewhere in this forum... "No bb tool should be attached anywhere on the rifle!!!!"

This topic pops up once every other day......

People please search before a topic that's been discussed a billion times before...!

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Geez.... please sticky somewhere in this forum... "No bb tool should be attached anywhere on the rifle!!!!"

This topic pops up once every other day......

People please search before a topic that's been discussed a billion times before...!
^^^^^I 2nd this suggestion.

Folks need to know this stuff.

You can bet some store clerks at many gun shops that now sell OLLs don't even know this and suggest it as an option to new buyers.
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WOW! Thanks guys, I thought I had a brilliant idea here. So a wire attach is illegal. Geeez.


That UBBT thing attached to the mag looks like the way to go.

Thanks all.
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Default attach the tool to your sling

even though the sling is attached to the rifle, the tool itself is not attached to the rifle....which is the same logic as the UBBT

Here's a product from RG, that describes the option of being attached to the sling....

this said, caveat emptor:

http://www.riflegear.com/p-192-rifle...llet-tool.aspx

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And the "Sarcastic Comment of the Day" award goes to...

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even though the sling is attached to the rifle, the tool itself is not attached to the rifle....which is the same logic as the UBBT

Here's a product from RG, that describes the option of being attached to the sling....

this said, caveat emptor:

http://www.riflegear.com/p-192-rifle...llet-tool.aspx

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while I don't know about the legalities of being attached to the sling and not the rifle - I wouldnt compare it to the UBBT... the UBBT isnt attached to the rifle or anything else while it is being used... that's a big difference from a tool that is attached to an item that is attached to a rifle.
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They have mags with a BB tool already attached plus there are companies that make BB tools to attach to the mags. I also saw a BB tool that is magnetic and it comes with a button that you put on your shirt and the magnetic tool clicks to that. Please keep in mind that not all LEO's will buy the technicality thing and run you in for having an AW and claiming it is attached, just not worth it.
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while I don't know about the legalities of being attached to the sling and not the rifle - I wouldnt compare it to the UBBT... the UBBT isnt attached to the rifle or anything else while it is being used... that's a big difference from a tool that is attached to an item that is attached to a rifle.
but just for discussion sake, and please do swerve on this one if there's play....

on the UBBT the "tool" is attached to the magazine, a removeable accessory to the firearm, which is attached to the rilfle....= ok.

now, the "tool" is attached to the sling, a removable accessory to the firearm, which is attached to rifle...= ok....

The logic is the same in both scenarios. As stated previously, let the buyer beware, in either choice.
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Remember that no matter how clever or well educated YOU are regarding this law, in the field local LE is gonna be the deciding party. In my experience they don't resopond well to someone trying to school them on the law. Keep it legit, keep your weapons, just my 2 cents.
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but just for discussion sake, and please do swerve on this one if there's play....

on the UBBT the "tool" is attached to the magazine, a removeable accessory to the firearm, which is attached to the rilfle....= ok.

now, the "tool" is attached to the sling, a removable accessory to the firearm, which is attached to rifle...= ok....

The logic is the same in both scenarios. As stated previously, let the buyer beware, in either choice.
The logic is only consistent if you must first remove the sling in order to use the "tool" attached to it, since you cannot use the "tool" that is on the magazine without first removing it completely from the weapon.
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This is why I came up with the BBUTT.

http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=7079139
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but just for discussion sake, and please do swerve on this one if there's play....

on the UBBT the "tool" is attached to the magazine, a removeable accessory to the firearm, which is attached to the rilfle....= ok.

now, the "tool" is attached to the sling, a removable accessory to the firearm, which is attached to rifle...= ok....

The logic is the same in both scenarios. As stated previously, let the buyer beware, in either choice.
Not the same, has been covered many times before.
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but just for discussion sake, and please do swerve on this one if there's play....

on the UBBT the "tool" is attached to the magazine, a removeable accessory to the firearm, which is attached to the rilfle....= ok.

now, the "tool" is attached to the sling, a removable accessory to the firearm, which is attached to rifle...= ok....

The logic is the same in both scenarios. As stated previously, let the buyer beware, in either choice.
with the UBBT the rifle doesnt have a readily detachable magazine since the tool attached to the magazine itself can not be used to detach the magazine.

On a sling mounted tool, its a fine line from the law which regards the rifle as not having a readily detachable magazine. Its a fine line, but some would say violates the law since the tool is attached to the rifle and can be used immediatly.

A tool attached to the rifle gives the rifle itself the ability to detach the magazine.

A tool kept in a compartment or in your pocket must be accessed prior to using, so the rifle itself doesnt have a readily detachable magazine.

ya makes pure sense huh
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If you attend any type of training course I believe you can have a standard mag release, not 100% on that but it is my understanding.

EDIT: please someone correct me if I am wrong about the last statement I made.
Has to be a featureless build or a RAW to be exempt from needing a BB.
Being at a training course makes no difference.
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If you attend any type of training course I believe you can have a standard mag release, not 100% on that but it is my understanding.
You're wrong. You can't create an Assault Weapon just to use in a training course! Sooo muuuccchh ffaaailll.
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If you're thinking about attaching something to your sling, you might as well just attached that tool to one of your wrists.
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I respect everyone's opinions here, but my take on this is that featureless is the only way to go. Pinned or fixed stocks, muzzle brakes, and grip fins or Monstermans is a way better alternative to bullet buttons.

The first time I got a double feed and tried to instinctively rip the magazine out to clear it and couldn't because I didn't have a 'tool' to do it in my hand was the deal breaker for bullet buttons. If you are a lefty like me it is a no brainer because your left thumb sits comfortably on the safety and it becomes quite comfortable after a while.

I don't care if a featureless rifle looks less 'bad-*****'..I want a rifle that works as closely to a real AR as possible without doing anything illegal (obviously).
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This is why I came up with the BBUTT.

http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=7079139

If the BBUTT can be pulled from the magazine and used to eject a round, I believe it is as illegal as attaching it to your sling. If it cannot be removed, it cannot be used to remove the magazine when in the rifle and thus legal as in the case of the UBBT.

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I use the tip of my Open Bolt Indicator. It's yellow, easy to hold, and fits nicely. I just lay it down in the same place on the mat and I don't even have to look for it. I can swap mags almost as fast as I could with the standard mag release (after practicing), and faster than I can with my M14 (that mag has to be yanked out, the AR15 mag just drops out).
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Since I take safety flags with me to the rang I use them to release the mag. Then during a cease fire, throw it in the chamber. I think I'm the only one that does this, from what I've seen at Lytle Creek. I've had a whole bag so I even gave some out to others shooting .223. Met some cool people.

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This bullet button thing has made the AR into a M1 Garand, or Moisin Nagant. Limited capacity and not quick to reload.
I think you need to look at it another way. Bullet Buttons and all other mag locks are resposible for Californians being able to own ARs with evil features period. Without magazine locks, only RAWs and featureless ARs would be allowed here. BTW, notice, featureless AR rifles do not have limited capacity magazines and do not require a tool to release the mag. But, if you insist on form over function, you should be glad that mag locks exist.
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I made a "tool" and posted pics a few years back...its a ring with a nipple on it....it goes either on my trigger finger or my middle finger and i can drop mags as fast and fluid as those with standard mag release. I use it when i shoot in comp all the time and keep up with the best of um...well did lol i've been away for a lil bit.
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I think you need to look at it another way. Bullet Buttons and all other mag locks are resposible for Californians being able to own ARs with evil features period. Without magazine locks, only RAWs and featureless ARs would be allowed here. BTW, notice, featureless AR rifles do not have limited capacity magazines and do not require a tool to release the mag. But, if you insist on form over function, you should be glad that mag locks exist.
I am glad. Don't know how you thought othewise of me. Must be lot's of assumptive habit you have.

Anyway, my post was how to make the existing bullet button (see my acceptance of the system and use), work faster.

OK, moving on.
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Yea, maybe I assumed too much due to the sentence I quoted. There have been numerous threads in the past about people whining about mag locks instead of praising them for allowing certain rifles to be sold and possessed in Ca in the first place.

You've been around here long enough to have seen some different tools that make relleasing mags almost as fat with a mag lock as without one. Have you seen the glove tools? ring tools? mag release tools mounted on the next magazine? keychain mounted mag release tools? etc.? Have you looked at and tested any of these meathods yourself?
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You don't have to get permission to exercise a RIGHT. If you have to get permission or can be told no by the government it is no longer a right. IT IS A PRIVILEGE!
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