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Old 08-25-2011, 9:27 PM
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Default Glock 19 failure to feed problem

I have a glock 19 that has a failure to feed problem with any hollow point ammunition. I wanted to post a video so people could see what I was talking about. The problem happens when I use any of my 10 round mags and I get to rounds 5,6,7 in the magazine. In the video I posted, the same problem I am experiencing while firing also happens when I load 5,6,or 7 rounds in a magazine and then release the slide stop or use the slingshot method. The only thing that has solved the problem is using 15 round magazines.

Here's a list of things I have tried in order to get my 10 round magazines to function with hollowpoints:

1. Changed recoil spring
2. Changed out all the followers to the 9mm3 followers.
3. Tried new Glock factory springs
4. Tried new Wolff magazine springs
5. Sent magazines to Glock to inspect. Said nothing was wrong.

I notice that when using 15 round magazines, all the rounds sit higher in the feed lips then the 10 rounders. I notice that rounds 4,5,6,7 sit significantly lower in feed lips. I have basically deemed this pistol "range only use". I have read numerous other Glock 19 owners in California using 10 round magazines and hollowpoints who have no problem whatsoever. I thought maybe it was the extractor but the round is slamming into the bottom of the barrel ramp before it even gets high enough to slide behind the extractor claw. I've basically run out of patience and don't want to spend any more money to solve this problem. I have a hard time believing all 10 round magazines won't work with my gun.




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So I seemed to have fixed the problem. The 9mm6 followers don't work in the 10 round mag bodies unless you remove about ~1 mm of plastic on the right side near the feed lips. Once you remove that 1mm, the followers work nicely. The nice thing about these followers is the spring doesn't hook into the follower like the traditional follower, which makes it so when you press down on the follower it doesn't nose dive. The rounds sit in the magazine at a slightly higher angle, which cause the hollowpoints to feed properly into the barrel.
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Old 08-25-2011, 9:34 PM
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Have you tried different hollow points yet?
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Old 08-25-2011, 9:46 PM
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Have you considered sending the pistol to Glock?
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That sucks. I can't help not that glock savvy yet but hopefully you'll figure it out. I'm going to grab some hollow points and try it in my 17 to be sure it functions with them.

What brand and type are those?
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Those were Federal HST 147 gr. I've tried all kinds of different hollowpoint brands, that just happens to be the brand I have on hand. It's happened a few times lately with fmj ammo as well but rarely. I'm just afraid all Glock is going to tell me is "everything is fine" and waste more money with the shipping cost. I really should find someone else with a Glock 19 and then try the same test in that gun to find out if I'm wasting my time with the magazines.
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Thats what i like about the Glocks.....when you have a issue,there cheap enough to throw away and buy a new one....lol.
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Those were Federal HST 147 gr. I've tried all kinds of different hollowpoint brands, that just happens to be the brand I have on hand. It's happened a few times lately with fmj ammo as well but rarely. I'm just afraid all Glock is going to tell me is "everything is fine" and waste more money with the shipping cost. I really should find someone else with a Glock 19 and then try the same test in that gun to find out if I'm wasting my time with the magazines.
I'm sure (i'd hope) they'd send a prepaid label and cover shipping both ways.

There's also a GSSF match this weekend in Richmond and they have armorers at the matches. I don't know if you have to be a member to have an armorer take a look at the gun though, nor do I know if you're up for the 200 mile round trip.
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Bend the feed lips out untill they are the same as your 15 rounders. It appears the attitude of the bullet is too low with your 10's. How does the mag catch notches in the mags look? Is your mag catch in the gun worn? What vintage is your 19?
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So this happens with all of your what 2 10 round magazines?
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No I have 8 10 round magazines. I bought like 4 new ones when I originally started having the problem. Didn't fix it.
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How old is your G 19?

You said you replaced the followers with a 9mm3.

Actually the improved followers are 9mm6. (in the new hi capacity 15 round mags).

The 10 rounders (my late model G 19) comes with 2183-1 followers. Kind of flat up front.

Holding both new 15 rounder and my late model 10 rounders side by side the 15 rounder has a more pronounced angle and the follower has more material up front.

Since you have no problems with this weapon using normal hi-capacity mags I would say you have a mag problem. Get a 9mm 6 follower and fit it into your 10 rounder to see if that solves your problem.

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Those 9mm3 followers you said you installed are for pre Jan 2002 Glock 19s.

If your GLOCK 19 isn't that old, then you should consider installing the 9mm 6 followers.

If it IS that old, perhaps run a KKM barrel that has a better feed ramp. Some of the older GLOCKS feed ramps (case support) and been slightly reprofiled over the years.

You might polish up the ramp on the original barrel as well. Just a LITTLE..not much is needed.

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Dam I was looking at getting some HSTs for my HD load. 147g too lol now you got me worried
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I run HST 147gr rounds in my G17 and G19 without issues.

As Oceanbob said, it's likely the magazine. In fact, most issues with the Glock are from the magazine. I'd take it to the GSSF match at Richmond or buy a new magazine or spring+follower for the current mags you have.

If you need the correct part numbers call Glock or send me a PM and I'll look them up in my catalog.
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Thanks guys. My Glock 19 is only 3 years old so you are probably right about the followers. When I compare the way the follower sits in my 15 rounder it definitely is at a higher angle. I notice when I press down on the front of the follower in the 15 rounder the entire follower moves down. When I press down on the front of the 10 round follower only the front of the follower dips down. Probably causing the nosedive. I didn't think the 9mm6 followers worked in the 10 round mags. I think I got wrong information because I read somewhere that I needed the 9mm3 followers. Do you know for sure the 9mm6 followers work in the 10 round magazines and have a part number? Either way, I had the problem using the 2183 followers as well so hopefully the 9mm6 followers are what I need.
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Thanks guys. My Glock 19 is only 3 years old so you are probably right about the followers. When I compare the way the follower sits in my 15 rounder it definitely is at a higher angle. I notice when I press down on the front of the follower in the 15 rounder the entire follower moves down. When I press down on the front of the 10 round follower only the front of the follower dips down. Probably causing the nosedive. I didn't think the 9mm6 followers worked in the 10 round mags. I think I got wrong information because I read somewhere that I needed the 9mm3 followers. Do you know for sure the 9mm6 followers work in the 10 round magazines and have a part number? Either way, I had the problem using the 2183 followers as well so hopefully the 9mm6 followers are what I need.
I would call Glockmeister and talk to one of their GunTechs.

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Good luck. I've heard the dash 6 follower needs some sanding to work..but that might be FUD.
Let us know what you find out.!

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I'll try and buy some 9mm6 followers. Once I have a chance to try it I'll update the thread.
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So I seemed to have fixed the problem. The 9mm6 followers don't work in the 10 round mag bodies unless you remove about ~1 mm of plastic on the right side near the feed lips. Once you remove that 1mm, the followers work nicely. The nice thing about these followers is the spring doesn't hook into the follower like the traditional follower, which makes it so when you press down on the follower it doesn't nose dive. The rounds sit in the magazine at a slightly higher angle, which cause the hollowpoints to feed properly into the barrel.
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