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View Poll Results: Would you/ do you take your completed 80% to the range?
I take it to the range! 41 58.57%
I would take it to the range. 21 30.00%
I leave it in the safe. 3 4.29%
Wouldn't even finish the block of metal if it were free. 5 7.14%
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Old 08-16-2011, 10:44 AM
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Default Comfortable taking your completed 80% to the range?

I can't stop researching 80% lowers. I know they are not cost effective.

Those that have them, are you comfortable enough with them to transport them to and fire them at the range?

Those that don't have them, maybe because they didn't feel it was worth the trouble to finish when you can buy a perfectly fine lower for less or any other reason, would you if you had one transport and fire yours at the range?
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I don't have one, but if I did-I'd take it to the range for sure.
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im not into ar's but I do take my built AK's to the range and its the dame concept.
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I don't see any reason it would be a problem to take a completed 80% shooting. Whats to be afraid of?
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whats the difference between a 80% lower and a regular lower?
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If it's legal take it to the range, if it's not dissasemble it and make it legal...then take it to the range.
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I wouldn't feel comfertable taking any gun that was only 80%finished to the range...finish building then shoot it! Of course I'm kidding!!
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Im in the process of building a 80% lower. I dont see a problem with it compared to a OLL
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If it had markings... Then I wouldn't have an issue with it.
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What's the issue?? Of course I would!
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whats the difference between a 80% lower and a regular lower?
Generally no numbers. I feel the concern. I'm about to do an AK and I think I'm going to label it.
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I take mine to the range no one ever says anything
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Generally no numbers. I feel the concern. I'm about to do an AK and I think I'm going to label it.
AK's are a bit easier, get a saiga convert it with US made parts or get a US made parts kit and you're done.
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I feel pretty comfortable about the whole thing, but when I read bill's opinion about 80% lowers in the AR/AK FAQ his opinion is to stay far away from it. Has this opinion changed? Or does the general census differ from his opinion on this topic?

Also, I haven't decided between engraving vs. not engraving. If I do engrave I think it would only be my last name with maybe a four digit serial (Name-0001). I like the idea of leaving them behind as heirlooms.
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I'm confused. What is the big deal with finished 80% lowers?

Is it that you are afraid because of the reliability or just for lawful reasons?
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The concern is that you might get into trouble if LE thought the serial numbers had been removed from a normal production gun, which is a felony.
The law does not require any markings on a home-built unless you sell the gun.
Some people prefer to go ahead and mark their home-builts in the manner required by law for selling even though they do not intend to sell it, so there is less chance of ending up in a sticky situation.
Of course, there are laws on how they must be marked so if you mark them you have to do it right.
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The issue is that if a LEO sees a weapon with no serial number he could arrest you for having a gun with the serial number REMOVED. Don't expect them to know little known things like you can manufacture your own weapon legally without indentifing marks.

Be prepared..print out everything you can regarding it...carry it to the range in your range bag....if a LEO claims your weapon is illegal...request or demand a supervisor and with this information (http://mobile.calguns.net/calgunforu...ad.php?t=86627) you "should' be ok as long as you keep your head don't get a COMPLETE a-hole for a officer.
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I brought my bare aluminum, no markings finished lower to the range over at angeles, i felt fine.
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I have 2 80% lowers and one is a 9mm pistol build that gets a lot of looks. Neither has any engravings. I had some concerns so I turned to my fellow Calgunners!

At another members suggestion I printed out the ATF faq about home built firearms and made a folder along with the handgun and rifle flow charts, Sacramento PD bulletin about bullet buttons and other odds and ends. I keep this with me whenever I have a black rifle.

I haven't had any issues so far. Only comments were from the RO, "that thing is badass!" haha

Now to build my ak this weekend!
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Thank you all for your responses. They were very helpful.

If/when I do make one, I'll probably just keep a folder of documentation of the legalities of it either in my vehicle or in my rifle case and probablly a folder of the documented build in the safe.

I'm a pretty low key guy in the first place so I don't anticipate any trouble. I was just curious how common it was and how comfortable others were exercising their said right.

Thanks again.
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When my 80%/AR pistol is done - It will be at the ranges.

But I will leave my necklace made out of human ears at home...

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AK's are a bit easier, get a saiga convert it with US made parts or get a US made parts kit and you're done.
Are you serious dude?
Building an ak has nothing to do with a saiga. You take a flat piece of metal drill holes bend it just rite rivet front trunion press in barrel weld in your rails put in rear trunion grind down access in the mag supports heat treat the reciever ans so on. And we dont even wanna talk about doing a milled ak reciever. Or profiling barrels etc. building an ak again has nothing to do with a saiga conversion. And I dont mark my recievers cause I have no intention of selling any of mine and I take them to the range every week.
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I've taken my unmarked homebuilds to public ranges many times. Sure, there is always some old coot who "knows" that it's illegal not to have SN on a hangun but, who really cares about him? If a LEO is misinformed on the law, it should be easy enough to properly and politely educate him/her on the subject. If he/she doesn't want to listen, ask for their supervisor. If that still doesn't work, stop talking and call the CGF. If you are not up to doing this, you probably shouldn't have built a homebuild in the first place.
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I finished one and getting another...... And hell yes I take it to the range Its perfectly legal so why not ?
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If you are afraid of false arrest, always bring your attorney with you to the range.
That always seems to work for me.
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If you are afraid of false arrest, always bring your attorney with you to the range.
That always seems to work for me.
Not with his billable rate $400/hr.
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Not with his billable rate $400/hr.
Wow that is pretty expensive, mine charge $100/hr or take
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I shoot my garage built, no markings AK all the time! If it's legal, run it! What's there to be scared about? If someone is tripping on your rifle, it's probably because it's an AK/AR, the markings or lack thereof won't even be noticed. And if they are, you're legal anyway so who cares. It's like a Saiga conversion, "what if someone thinks I don't have enough 922(r) compliance parts?". You don't worry about it. Just make sure your "I"s are dotted and "T"s are crossed and go have fun!
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