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Old 08-14-2011, 11:09 PM
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Default Because shooting twice is silly. (.45 acp)

I dont get it lol

is it implying that the bullet is overpowered?
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Old 08-14-2011, 11:18 PM
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Not sure why this is in the C&R forum, or if OP is trolling, but I'll play along.

It's supposed to show how awesomely powerful the .45 ACP is because you only need to shoot a guy once for him to go down rather than more with any other calibers.

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It's a stupid phrase anyway because anybody with half a brain knows that .40 S&W is a WAY better manstopper than .45 ever was!
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I think the phrase came about because of the .38's the 1911 replaced didn't have the stopping power the .45 does, but that's just a guess.
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Its just a funny catch phrase. There is no such thing as stopping power in pistol calibers. (unless we are talking about a .500 smith, that thing has as much energy at the muzzle as some .308 loads!!)
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I dont get it lol

is it implying that the bullet is overpowered?
It's implying that any caliber smaller than .45 is underpowered.
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is the 1911 really that good ?
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is the 1911 really that good ?
Not really. But the .45acp is.

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Yes, the 1911 really is that good. In my opinion, if I could only have one hangun (and thank goodness that this is not the case), then the 1911 would be that hangun.

Again, this is only my opinion.
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Everytime I shoot 45 ACP, I always bring something to eat or a book to read.
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I think if you shoot someone with a 9mm hell be pretty bummed, difference in pistol calibres is pretty neglegable so it doesnt really make THAT much of a difference. the military is doing just fine now without it
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It comes from the fact that the SAS used to train with the Hi-Power to double-tap as a matter of course. This was due to their real life experiences that a 9 mm is more effective with two bullets.

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I think if you shoot someone with a 9mm hell be pretty bummed, difference in pistol calibres is pretty neglegable so it doesnt really make THAT much of a difference. the military is doing just fine now without it
And yet the caliber of choice for SOCOM is .45 acp. And it was Delta Force veterans of Mogadishu who insisted on developing a .45 cal AR. I wonder why that is?

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And yet the caliber of choice for SOCOM is .45 acp. And it was Delta Force veterans of Mogadishu who insisted on developing a .45 cal AR. I wonder why that is?
Well, since we're opening up the can of CAG..

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In early July 1967 I was sent to South Vietnam to try to determine why many of the 500 lb. bombs being delivered by naval aircraft were not detonating. I had extensive experience with both conventional and nuclear weapons. The VC would dig up these duds, melt out the Amatol and use the explosive to manufacture crude but very effective anti-personnel booby traps. I was assigned an EOD (Explosive Ordnance Disposal) team and we would be escorted by whatever Army or Marine units were available for protection. We would remove the fuses and detonate the bombs.

On July 13, 1967, while on one of these missions, we were attacked by a force of approximately 50 Viet Cong. As the attack developed my M16A1 jammed, which left me unarmed. I came across a wounded Marine officer, Captain Eldon M. Martin lying in a rice paddy. Captain Martin, although severely wounded was alert and indicated that he was lying on an M14, which was under water and that he had a fully loaded .45 pistol in his holster.

As I removed the Colt M1911A1 .45 automatic (serial # 2300270) from the Captain, I observed three VC armed with AK-47s moving toward me in a crouched position through the thick grass which was about 2 meters high. I waited until they were within about 4 meters from me. I rose to a kneeling position using the grass as a shield. I put the front sight of the Colt on the man on the left and pulled the trigger. The man in the middle went down! I had jerked the trigger and was very lucky to have gotten a hit. I then moved back to the man on the left, held my breath and fired again. This round hit the man on the left in the chest and he went down. The last man realized what was happening and began firing his AK in my direction. I could see the bullets hitting the water in front of me as he brought the AK up. I fired my third round which hit the magazine of the AK, then glanced down striking him in the right leg. As he spun around from the impact of the 230 grain bullet, I fired two more rounds one of which hit him in the temple just above the left eye. The gunfight was over!

This action lasted not more that 4 seconds and I got four hits with five rounds of GI 230 grain hardball from a pistol that had mud and water in it. All of these hits were one shot stops against three men armed with automatic weapons. God bless the .45 ACP.

I must thank my father, who was the Sheriff of San Patricio County, Texas during World War II. He carried a Colt Government Model and I was shooting the big Colt when I was 10. I was a very good shot with both pistol and rifle very early in life and took my first deer when I was 11. I must also thank John Browning and Colt for inventing and producing the finest combat pistol ever made, bar none. I believe that if I had been armed with a 9MM, both our names would be on the Vietnam Memorial Wall in Washington D.C.

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It comes from the fact that the SAS used to train with the Hi-Power to double-tap as a matter of course. This was due to their real life experiences that a 9 mm is more effective with two bullets.



And yet the caliber of choice for SOCOM is .45 acp. And it was Delta Force veterans of Mogadishu who insisted on developing a .45 cal AR. I wonder why that is?
Mainly because the military issued 5.56 has massive problems over penetrating, Its not a problem with the m4 its the fact that no one we fight wears body armor.

and pro's dont call it a double tap, its a controlled pair.
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Mainly because the military issued 5.56 has massive problems over penetrating, Its not a problem with the m4 its the fact that no one we fight wears body armor.

and pro's dont call it a double tap, its a controlled pair.
The question was rhetorical. Your condescension is dripping, let me wipe that up for you: I, and jaq, qualified expert w/ every weapon system trained on in the US Army. We were paid soldiers. That means we were "professionals". We were trained by U.S. Special Forces at Ft. Bragg, NC. We have had lifelong associations w/ same. Please roll your eyes right out of your head, so that your disrespect can be enjoyed by all.

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50 AE. Because 45 ACP pansies cannot handle it
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Because shooting twice IS silly! Less rounds down range, less chances of collateral damage.


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50 AE. Because 45 ACP pansies cannot handle it
50 AE.. because I'm not smart enough to use a rifle instead :P
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I like the .45 acp because most of the houses I have been in HAD a .45acp in them . And if the " world goes to hell / zombies / etc " I know that is one rd that I can find in many homes . Plus with that many guns , you have replacement guns / parts .
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Not to be funny, either the .357 and 44 mag will stop better then the 45 acp. A lot of people have these rounds too. I am wanting to buy a springfield .45 just because I don't have one, but still think the .357 is still a better round, just my 2 cents
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:troll mode on:

If one shot, one kill, then it doesn't matter the caliber.

Heck, you could snipe with a .177 caliber pellet gun.

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Not to be funny, either the .357 and 44 mag will stop better then the 45 acp. A lot of people have these rounds too. I am wanting to buy a springfield .45 just because I don't have one, but still think the .357 is still a better round, just my 2 cents
45 acp v. .357 mag



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.45ACP ... 400-600 ft.lb
.357 Mag .... 570-775 ft.lb

You assume that all the energy is dissipated in the target. Higher velocity rounds tend to pass through targets and take all that extra energy with them. Even expanding rounds.

Personally being shot with either of those rounds would be a really really bad day.
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Oh hell, just get both a .357M revolver *AND* a 1911 and go have fun!
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Oh hell, just get both a .357M revolver *AND* a 1911 and go have fun!
That sounds like a plan I can work with!


.22 thrown in for fun
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Thanks for the videos, where's the one for the 44mag lol? Just kidding. That is why I want the springfield 1911, I already have the other two lol.
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Thanks for the videos, where's the one for the 44mag lol? Just kidding. That is why I want the springfield 1911, I already have the other two lol.

Hey, by the way. The 357 was only a 125 gr bullets yikes. See the wound channel that thing made compared to the 45acp. I wonder what bullet wt it was? It looks like it lost most of its stopper power by going clean through the gel. The 357 had a lot bigger impact from what my simple eyes is telling me lol
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is the 1911 really that good ?

Dude, you're talking about one of the most fanboyed guns in the world if that tells you anything.
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How about 1911 as your primary and a nice .357 mag snubby as a backup.
Sweeeeeeeet.
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Honestly folks, .357 Magnum SUCKS for a primary handgun in my opinion. My ego isn't so big to admit that I would prefer something like a 9mm for a duty sidearm. I own a GP 100 and they ain't no fun to shoot after a few cylinders of full powered magnum loads. WAY too much muzzle blast and recoil.

Sure they're fun at first, but, if anything, people love the practice rounds I load for it utilizing TrailBoss powder which makes it feel like you're shooting a .22.

I'm kind of past the age where I need to have all that obnoxious noise and flash in my guns to feel cool when I shoot
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