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Update :08.09.2011
I wanna thank you guys for your advice and input. That really helped me a lot. I decided that Army would be a better branch for me, since it's easier to get in to and it has more jobs than AF. I wanna do combat as well, since like someone mentioned, LE looks for that in their candidates. I just don't wanna do infantry.

I'm scared s&*@less, but I really wanna do it.
I'm in a horrible physical shape right now, we will see what they tell me.


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How hard is it to get into Air Force? What kind of job are there for me to expect if I don't score high on asvab ?

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It is a good move it u can stay out of trouble ....the usaf was the best decision I ever made. Got out in 4 and jumped right into a career! Btw....at all cost go fire dept...u wont regret it! Good luck playa!
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It is a good move it u can stay out of trouble ....the usaf was the best decision I ever made. Got out in 4 and jumped right into a career! Btw....at all cost go fire dept...u wont regret it! Good luck playa!
I have a clean record and I wanna do LE at some point in my life. Thank you very much for the input.
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I have a clean record and I wanna do LE at some point in my life. Thank you very much for the input.
I looked into it as well and most guys that want an LE career after the service want security forces. You won't likely get it as of right now. Did you not score well on your ASVAB? Talk to a recruiter and see what your score qualifies for. I qualified for anything and of course I wanted EOD or PJ, but wifey said no.

Personally I have yet to pull the trigger on joining, but I am still actively considering it. My Dad served for 8 years and loved it. Definitely well know for being the service that treats their personal the most plushly. As far as the women I know they are the best looking, but not sure on the easiest. I would think that title belongs to the women of the Corps.
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I traveled a lot and had a pretty good time, most of the time.
Retiring would have been nice, but I didn't see too many NCOs driving new cars,hot rods, dirt bikes, boats, nice homes etc. so I got out after 4yrs.
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Since this is a serious decision, I will spend some time coming up with a thoughtful response...

THINGS TO EXPECT:

Like all the services, the Air Force offers a wide variety of experiences. You could end up a clerk or you could end up with a rifle in your hands knocking down doors (yes we do that too). Like me you could end up in a seemingly tame career field (Air Transportation) only to find yourself assigned to a specialized unit that sends you around the world with a rifle strapped to your back while you do your job. You just never know. That said, the odds are you will end up on a nice safe base doing a nice safe job. Eitherway you'll earn some fun stories for the grandchildren.

The worst thing I experienced when I was in is that I transferred to a command in the second half of my enlistment that was filled to the brim with burn happy people. They turned an otherwise cushy assignment into a stress factory. Not all commands are like that. My previous base was filled with NCOs and Officers who wanted their people to shine and did all they could to encourage people, rather than burn them. Considering I survived and received an honorable discharge, and I can't come up with anything worse to say about my time in the military, that's pretty good.

Boot camp will be boot camp. It will suck. Don't buy into the hype that it is a cake walk. My TIs all thought they were in the film Full Metal Jacket. But boot camp ends. Then you start Technical School. Tech School is about 1/3 as strict as boot camp. This gives you time to unspin your head. Which you will need after boot camp because you will be wound up very tight. But that is a good thing. From this point on when you get into a high stress situation you will be able to flip a switch and go into boot camp survival mode and you will come out of that situation better than you went it. When you get to your first assignment it will be so much more relaxed than Boot Camp that will you almost forget you are in the military. In real life, it is worlds more squared away than your civilian life was. But you don't notice it because of how strict things were up until then. You are much more squared away than you were before, but you don't realize that either. You family and friends will, and they will appriciate it.

Newer bases have better living facilities. Married guys get to live in base housing (if it is available) or they get a housing allowance. Unmarried guys live on base in dorms. Older dorms mean roomate(s) and crappy decore. Newer dorms means you live alone, and in serious style. My last dorm room was almost nicer than my current apartment and I pimped it out big time. Routinely won the "best dorm room" inspection. Painted the walls, put up nice framed prints, and decorated it nice. Why? Chicks man, why else? At no point in my life was getting laid so damn easy. The military kept me in shape, and put me in an attractive uniform. Women dug it.

The food is usually some of the best in the military. Having grown up on spicy food I found it to be a little too bland. But a lot of guys who grew up in the middle of country found it to be spicy. They try and meet ya in the middle as best the can, but we all grew up on different food.

You won't be stationed here in California. I've never seen it happen. Don't waste slots on your request sheet for bases here in California. Select cool places elsewhere in the country and overseas. If you end up stateside you will most likely end up on the East Coast. My first assignment was New Jersey, but I was almost never there. I had an amazing time despite having a low opinion of New Jersey before seeing it first hand. You will enjoy yourself no matter where they send you. So don't worry about it. The closest you will get to California is Arizona or Nevada, and that is a long shot on your first assignment. Why? You're not getting the full military experience if you can run home to mommy after your shift and sleep in your Magnum PI Ferarri Bed at night. Again, this is a very good thing. The entire point of joining the military is to start a new life - not just get a job.

A lot of guys worry about the effect this will have on their friendships. Your real friends, will stick with you. The friends you couldn't really count on won't. So it is great way to find out which of your friends really have your back. 20 years later I am still best friends with 2/3 of my crew from high school and I'm glad I found out the other 1/3 couldn't be depended on. I am also still best friends with my military buddies who are scattered all over the world. Which translates to saving a lot of money on hotel fees when I travel because somebody always has a spare bedroom available.

TWO HUGE MISTAKES MOST RECRUITS MAKE:

1. At the end of boot camp they will hand out lists of jobs you qualify for and ask you to select six of them in order of preferrance. Many recruits are so burned out by then that they look at how long the training is and select the ones with the shortest tech schools. DO NOT DO THAT. Pick the ones with the longest tech schools. Tech School is not boot camp. It is night and day better. The longer the school, the more money it usually translates to in civilian life and the more rewarding the job usually is. The last thing you want is to go through boot camp only to pump gas (unless you are a boom operator on a refueling aircraft - which would be cool - being a refueler means smelling like JP4 and a much shorter life expectancy).

2. Again, by the ned of Boot Camp you will be very homesick. So most people avoid overseas assignments. Especially the special duty assignments like Korea, Turkey, and these days I suppose Iraq and Afghanistan when filling out their assignment sheets. Don't do that. Select those special duty assignments if you are unmarried. You will have a great time. Even if you are married select the overseas assignments. Your wife might ***** about it now, but in hindsight it will be the best experience of your lives. Military life overseas is a thousand times better than military life stateside. I cannot stress that enough.

At boot camp. If they ask if anyone is religious, say yes. I do not care if you are a satin worshiper. You get your rear to church on Sunday. It is the one time when the TIs have to leave you alone. So you get a couple hours of relaxation on sunday. If at all possible volutneer to be an escort for the younger "flights" to church on sunday. It is great duty and gets you out of having to clean on your hands and knees all day.

When they ask who likes to bowl? Do not raise your hand. Keep your mouth shut and make yourself as small as possible. Bowling duty means cleaning the toilets everyday.

MEMORIZE THIS PHRASE:

Sir, Airman INSERT LAST NAME HERE reporting as ordered.

That is your reporting statement. Don't screw it up. Practice it with Mam inplace of sir as well. You never know.

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Ok, that's all I've got for ya. Good luck. Have a wonderful carreer.

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Good advice tacticalcity.

Church, I went just for down time.One set of dog tags said Christian,the other Catholic. I'm not religious at all.

And the "dream sheet" for bases, I picked all West Coast. I got South Carolina.Almost had a guy talked into a trade at tech school for Vegas but he backed out on me, @$$-O If you work directly with fighters,you'll get to Vegas and plenty of other places anyway. I think I lived a Nellis LV. for a couple of months at least.

When we had a base pass in boot, I got under my bunk to make sure my blanket and bed was tight,i.e. sleeping. I never got enough sleep. and I was hooked up with the guy who assigned Dorm Guard Duty so I always had guard duty just before revile. You get to take you time getting up and dressed,walk right into chow hall taking your time, other then that I was a fly on the wall, I figured it out pretty quick.
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I only pulled guard duty once in basic. After basic I noticed in the class book there was a page where are the guys were in the rec room paired off with their "buddy". Looked like an actual day of fun. Wouldn't that have been nice? That was when I was pulling guard duty. Go figure!

I spend my base pass in the Chaparral (kind of like a bar on base for the airman) bathroom having sex with a female recruit named Nicole. Nice girl. Wrote to me for a couple of years after that. To this day combat boots make me horny.

That said I do not recommend trying to score with the females while at basic. It was a stupid risky move on my part. Several guys got caught in compromised positions and got kicked out. It is not worth it. You will have more than enough time for hooking up when you get to tech school. The couches in the rec room are seriously nasty. Wait a couple weeks until you get liberty and take her to a hotel. But lay the ground work early on because all the good looking ones pair off fast.

Any job involving Air Craft is a good one in the military. Avionics translates to a very well paying job in civilian life. You need very high ASVAB scores for that one. I was supposed to be a crew chief on an A10 but got screwed over thanks to the "Needs of the Air Force". If I had a better career field I would have stayed in for life. Heck, if they had not transferred me to a crappy command I would have stayed in for life. My first duty station was great, especially since it involved going TDY 95% of the time to some really cool places. I had no idea how good I had it.

In my first year I saw The Azores (four times), Jordan (twice), England, Egypt, Germany and Italy. Man did I love Italy. Almost saw the Balkins. Was enroute when a presidential order turned us around. That one made me happy at the time. Now I kind of wish we had invaded Bosnia. There would be a lot less mass graves. Not because of anything I would have done. My role was to support the real warriors. They did the hero stuff.

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I was supposed to be a crew chief on an A10 but got screwed over thanks to the "Needs of the Air Force". If I had a better career field I would have stayed in for life.
This sounds like me. If I had went into a light unit while I was in the Army I would have probably stayed. Instead I got stuck in a mechanized battalion full of ****bags and lazy *** NCOs. I couldn't get transferred to Bragg, Campbell or Drum for re-enlistment so I got out.
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My hommie went from Offut out in Nebraska to being stationed up in Monterrey, CA

Lucky? Perhaps. Love it up there, should be visiting him in a couple weeks.
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Thank you very much. I never had anyone inform this well about US Armed Forces. Thank you for being straight forward. I am gonna head to USAF recruiter next week.
I've been thinking about joining Millitary for the last 2 years, I need to make my decision.


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Since this is a serious decision, I will spend some time coming up with a thoughtful response...

THINGS TO EXPECT:

Like all the services, the Air Force offers a wide variety of experiences. You could end up a clerk or you could end up with a rifle in your hands knocking down doors (yes we do that too). Like me you could end up in a seemingly tame career field (Air Transportation) only to find yourself assigned to a specialized unit that sends you around the world with a rifle strapped to your back while you do your job. You just never know. That said, the odds are you will end up on a nice safe base doing a nice safe job. Eitherway you'll earn some fun stories for the grandchildren.

The worst thing I experienced when I was in is that I transferred to a command in the second half of my enlistment that was filled to the brim with burn happy people. They turned an otherwise cushy assignment into a stress factory. Not all commands are like that. My previous base was filled with NCOs and Officers who wanted their people to shine and did all they could to encourage people, rather than burn them. Considering I survived and received an honorable discharge, and I can't come up with anything worse to say about my time in the military, that's pretty good.

Boot camp will be boot camp. It will suck. Don't buy into the hype that it is a cake walk. My TIs all thought they were in the film Full Metal Jacket. But boot camp ends. Then you start Technical School. Tech School is about 1/3 as strict as boot camp. This gives you time to unspin your head. Which you will need after boot camp because you will be wound up very tight. But that is a good thing. From this point on when you get into a high stress situation you will be able to flip a switch and go into boot camp survival mode and you will come out of that situation better than you went it. When you get to your first assignment it will be so much more relaxed than Boot Camp that will you almost forget you are in the military. In real life, it is worlds more squared away than your civilian life was. But you don't notice it because of how strict things were up until then. You are much more squared away than you were before, but you don't realize that either. You family and friends will, and they will appriciate it.

Newer bases have better living facilities. Married guys get to live in base housing (if it is available) or they get a housing allowance. Unmarried guys live on base in dorms. Older dorms mean roomate(s) and crappy decore. Newer dorms means you live alone, and in serious style. My last dorm room was almost nicer than my current apartment and I pimped it out big time. Routinely won the "best dorm room" inspection. Painted the walls, put up nice framed prints, and decorated it nice. Why? Chicks man, why else? At no point in my life was getting laid so damn easy. The military kept me in shape, and put me in an attractive uniform. Women dug it.

The food is usually some of the best in the military. Having grown up on spicy food I found it to be a little too bland. But a lot of guys who grew up in the middle of country found it to be spicy. They try and meet ya in the middle as best the can, but we all grew up on different food.

You won't be stationed here in California. I've never seen it happen. Don't waste slots on your request sheet for bases here in California. Select cool places elsewhere in the country and overseas. If you end up stateside you will most likely end up on the East Coast. My first assignment was New Jersey, but I was almost never there. I had an amazing time despite having a low opinion of New Jersey before seeing it first hand. You will enjoy yourself no matter where they send you. So don't worry about it. The closest you will get to California is Arizona or Nevada, and that is a long shot on your first assignment. Why? You're not getting the full military experience if you can run home to mommy after your shift and sleep in your Magnum PI Ferarri Bed at night. Again, this is a very good thing. The entire point of joining the military is to start a new life - not just get a job.

A lot of guys worry about the effect this will have on their friendships. Your real friends, will stick with you. The friends you couldn't really count on won't. So it is great way to find out which of your friends really have your back. 20 years later I am still best friends with 2/3 of my crew from high school and I'm glad I found out the other 1/3 couldn't be depended on. I am also still best friends with my military buddies who are scattered all over the world. Which translates to saving a lot of money on hotel fees when I travel because somebody always has a spare bedroom available.

TWO HUGE MISTAKES MOST RECRUITS MAKE:

1. At the end of boot camp they will hand out lists of jobs you qualify for and ask you to select six of them in order of preferrance. Many recruits are so burned out by then that they look at how long the training is and select the ones with the shortest tech schools. DO NOT DO THAT. Pick the ones with the longest tech schools. Tech School is not boot camp. It is night and day better. The longer the school, the more money it usually translates to in civilian life and the more rewarding the job usually is. The last thing you want is to go through boot camp only to pump gas (unless you are a boom operator on a refueling aircraft - which would be cool - being a refueler means smelling like JP4 and a much shorter life expectancy).

2. Again, by the ned of Boot Camp you will be very homesick. So most people avoid overseas assignments. Especially the special duty assignments like Korea, Turkey, and these days I suppose Iraq and Afghanistan when filling out their assignment sheets. Don't do that. Select those special duty assignments if you are unmarried. You will have a great time. Even if you are married select the overseas assignments. Your wife might ***** about it now, but in hindsight it will be the best experience of your lives. Military life overseas is a thousand times better than military life stateside. I cannot stress that enough.

At boot camp. If they ask if anyone is religious, say yes. I do not care if you are a satin worshiper. You get your rear to church on Sunday. It is the one time when the TIs have to leave you alone. So you get a couple hours of relaxation on sunday. If at all possible volutneer to be an escort for the younger "flights" to church on sunday. It is great duty and gets you out of having to clean on your hands and knees all day.

When they ask who likes to bowl? Do not raise your hand. Keep your mouth shut and make yourself as small as possible. Bowling duty means cleaning the toilets everyday.

MEMORIZE THIS PHRASE:

Sir, Airman INSERT LAST NAME HERE reporting as ordered.

That is your reporting statement. Don't screw it up. Practice it with Mam inplace of sir as well. You never know.

WRAPPING THINGS UPS:

Ok, that's all I've got for ya. Good luck. Have a wonderful carreer.

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especially since it involved going TDY 95% of the time to some really cool places. I had no idea how good I had it.

In my first year I saw The Azores (four times), Jordan (twice), real warriors.
That was me,always TDY, I liked it. Jordan was the 363rd main training area, preparing for desert warfare. Shaw was also the South West Asia (SWA)air terminal.
After months in Saudi & UAE in 90-91, the Azores was my first visit to a class 6(liqueur store),and green grass, I ran up the hill garbed a six pack downed it and made it back to the C-141 just in time.

PandaLov,
The AF ain't that bad if you get a descent job.Kick @ss on the ASVAB because the AF has the luxury of being picky.Start talking to a recruiter.

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I saw a lot of guys get home sick and miss their girl back home, if you have one when you go in,be strong and break up,do NOT get married.
at least for the first couple of years.
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That prior service thing was not just the Air Force. They do that when they are in downturn mode. Shortly after I graduated college 9/11 happened. I looked into getting a commission with the Marine Corps. The recruiters were zero help. Every conversation with them started out by them trying to talk me out of OCS and joining as an enlisted man. Then I explained I'd already been there done that. Then they refused to help me. They couldn't accept prior service for enlistments and they had zero interest in helping me gain a commission regardless of my qualifications. It meant extra work for them and didn't help them meet their quotas that were lacking. I know it had nothing to do with me or my background, because the conversation never got that far. I tried the Army next, then the Air Force. They all had the same attitude. They wouldn't talk to someone with prior military service at all despite our eligilaty to receive a comission. They all said they were enlisted recruiters, and the officer recruiters were always "out of the office". Total B.S. They were NOT serving their country but rather serving themselves. It was very frustrating and very disappointing. I am told recruiting did not catch up to the reality of the war until about one year into the Iraq war. By then I was settled into my civilian career.

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I've got a question for all of you.
I've done marijuana in the past, it has been almost 2 years since the last use. I straightened myself out. So I just filled out the form for the recruiter to contact online, and it said that I'm not eligible . So am I screwed or what?
If they drug test, how far back do they go?
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I've done marijuana in the past, it has been almost 2 years since the last use. I straightened myself out. So I just filled out the form for the recruiter to contact online, and it said that I'm not eligible . So am I screwed or what?
If they drug test, how far back do they go?
Panda...You never divulge that kinda of information, they're not a Police agency and don't use a polygraph. Sorry my friend you kinda shot yourself in the foot.

Go talk to a recruiter in person, but do not mention this again. Unless your filling out a SF-86 ( Security Clearance). You can call a local recruiter office in your area and bypass the online system.

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the airforce is what you make it. all bases suck; you're ability to cope is what makes it enjoyable. if you stay closed minded and stay in your little bubble you might as well not join because the AF has a lot to offer. i'm currently on my 3rd deployment, seen every country except russia, china, japan, and africa. i'm originally from california, got stationed here by chance after being overseas for 10yrs, and hate it because after seeing the rest of the world, california ain't sh*t.

if you act like a d'bag, you'll get treated like one. hold your own and you'll do fine. if you get a DUI or do drugs, your military career is over. if a plane falls from the sky, you get pee tested. pretty much follow the rules and you'll do fine.

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Sir, Airman INSERT LAST NAME HERE reporting as ordered.

That is your reporting statement. Don't screw it up. Practice it with Mam inplace of sir as well. You never know.
You trying to get him killed? It's trainee, not airman. Referring to yourself as an airman before you graduate will get you lit up like a Christmas tree plugged into a 220v outlet.

Edit: Keep as low of a profile in basic as humanly possible. Do everything you're told to do, exactly as you were told to do it, do nothing more and nothing less. Do nothing that you were not told to do. Thinking for yourself will get you lit up, fast. Do not chat. DO NOT CHAT. I was stuck in a flight of chatty Kathys and we were doing pushups constantly because people did not know when to shut the heck up. Be quiet, take care of business and do absolutely NOTHING to stand out. You will be asked if your recruiter told you not to volunteer for anything. TELL THEM YES. Telling them 'no' means you will get volunTOLD to do whatever it is they want you to do. DO NOT VOLUNTEER FOR ANYTHING. If you are asked during in-processing if you play an instrument, the correct answer is NO. You will end up in a band flight otherwise. If your T.I. knows your name in the first three weeks, you caught their attention because you stood out. One guy in my flight was invisible until the fourth week, he never said anything and never screwed anything up too badly. Being yelled at is normal, do not let it phase you. The T.I.s are volunteers, they were in some other job field before they volunteered for a two-year T.I. tour, they will go back to whatever they did after two years. They aren't as bad-arse as they seem.

Whatever you do, do NOT come to Travis. It used to be a great place to work, it has gone full freakin' retard in the past three years. Politics and BULL**** reign supreme, unfortunately. The Good Idea Fairy visits often to gum up the works. Beware anyone O-3 and below, although there are exceptions to every rule.

You will come to know the sheer idiocy that is the reflective belt. Do not fight it, embrace the suck.

At any rate, best food, best standard of living, yadda yadda, yadda. Ditto all that. If you DO join, please do everyone a favor once you're out of basic, drop the use of sir / ma'am with everyone but officers. Nothing makes you seem more green. I keep correcting a greenie that I work with, and it's driving me up the wall. He's been out of tech school for six months and he's still doing it. For some reason, someone had the great idea to make everyone a sir / ma'am while you're in basic, there's no distinction during basic training in this regard between officers and NCOs, unlike the other services.

Do it, and change things up every once in a while to keep it fresh. If you end up as a crew chief, you should enjoy travel unless you're on C-5s. You will be working your arse off on that thing. KC-10s and KC-135 crew chiefs have about the best life of all crew chiefs while traveling.
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All military life is what YOU make of it. Give your best and you will have a good tour no matter how long you decide to stay for be it 4 years or a career. I believe the Air Force and Navy both offer better choices for jobs that should you choose to leave the service you can fall back on or even stay in that profession in the civilian world. I started of as C-130 crew chief, progressed on to be a C-130 flight engineer. I am know a manager with a aircraft hydraulic company making over $80k a year and all this is because of the training I received in the Air Force.
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I joined the USAF to see the world. I grew up and hour north of Bakersfield and my first duty assignment was 1 hour east of Bakersfield. I never escaped more than one county away from home except for a few TDYs.
tacticalcity pretty much summed it up. My advice it to sign up for a job that is fun or that sounds really interesting. I was a Jet and Turboprop engine mechanic (two different AFSCs) for 10 years. I wish I would have done an enlisted flightcrew job such as Loadmaster or Flight Engineer(dying breed) because flying and throwing **** out the back of a plane sounds like more excitement than changing parts out while fuel and oil is dripping in your eyes when it's 110*.

I was in the Air National Guard for 6 of my 10 years. The guard is interesting because most of the people have civilian jobs and are part-time guardsmen. It seemed like majority of people that worked on electronics/avionics in the ANG also worked on them in civilian life.
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You trying to get him killed? It's trainee, not airman. Referring to yourself as an airman before you graduate will get you lit up like a Christmas tree plugged into a 220v outlet.
It was "airman" when I was in, obviously it has changed.


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It was "airman" when I was in, obviously it has changed.


Panda,
Tell them you never inhaled, it worked for a President.
Youre kidding right? I don't wanna be rude, just confused.
I'm gonna talk to a recruiter and see how I get myself out of it.
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Youre kidding right? I don't wanna be rude, just confused.
I'm gonna talk to a recruiter and see how I get myself out of it.
idk if the AF will have to do a waiver for that? Usually their reserved for criminal offenses and moral's. But since you were honest about your usage, the recruiter could find that application you filled out. Or he could look the other way man..
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idk if the AF will have to do a waiver for that? Usually their reserved for criminal offenses and moral's. But since you were honest about your usage, the recruiter could find that application you filled out. Or he could look the other way man..
what should I do? Should I say that I marked that box by accident, or tell them the truth that I have good morals now
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But then again, I don't wanna lie... agh!!!
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what should I do? Should I say that I marked that box by accident, or tell them the truth that I have good morals now
Yes, yes you should. Using any illegal substance will get you disqualified from so many jobs in the Air Force. Depending on what you want to do however, will determine how this affects you.

Personally, I'd get an AFSC that will provide you with a useful set of job skills out in the civilian world, even if you loathe and despise that job, it will still give you a crutch to stand on when you separate/retire and are looking for work. I would recommend staying away from maintenance, as this usually entails long hours and hard work.. and usually with little reward, while the pencil pushers back in their offices get paid the same amount for substantialy less work.

If you like to travel frequently, fly on a consistant basis, and get flight pay, I highly recommend being a load master for C-130s. If I could do it all over again, that's what I would've gone for.

Oh, and if you do enlist, try your utmost hardest to get a garunteed job on paper before you sign anything. Don't let them swoon you over to an "open" position with bonus incentives, which could lead to any crappy job in the Air Force. A garunteed job is worth the peice of mind. Remember, you're signing away at least 4 years of your life.

Good luck, the Air Force is pretty awesome (try and get Yokota Air Base in Tokyo, Japan, you will have the best time of your life there)
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Just in case you think "how bad could an Air Force job be?", I watched airmen pumping the sewage out of field latrines when it's 120* in the shade... Get a guaranteed job!

It was "Sir, Airman ________ reports as ordered" when I was in also.
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I've worked with the Air Force (as a civilian) for almost 2 years following 4 of active Army service. I've been deployed with both services and worked in garrison with both services. I've worked with members from every service (even Coast Guard) in my military career so I thought I'd give you my $.02.
There are some serious cultural differences I would like to point out, this may or may not be true of the combat related AFSC (EOD, JTAC, PJ). I have worked in Intelligence my whole career. The Air Force culture promotes individuality more than any other service, the Marines carry the strongest Esprit de Corp overall then followed by the Army, I haven't worked closely enough with the Navy to gauge them but the Air Force is full of individuals. Like every service, I have seen winners and losers in the Air Force, the main difference from my Army experience, the losers can get away with much more as the disciplinary structure is much more formalized than Army. In the Army if you mess up, you will get yelled a new one, you'll probably get various forms of corrective "training" and when it is done so long as the problem has been fixed, it is done. The Air Force gives you a stern talking to (maybe) and several memorandums of record indicating poor performance until they can finally dismiss the undeserving service member. It is a long and bureaucratic process.
You mentioned you want to go LEO as a long term career, that being said I'd say most definitely go combat arms regardless of service. If you can get any of the AF combat arms (EOD, PJ, JTAC) jump at the chance, if not I'd recommend considering a different service. I suppose you could also go MP and then transfer to OSI after a few years to. The ball is in your court.
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if you act like a d'bag, you'll get treated like one. hold your own and you'll do fine. if you get a DUI or do drugs, your military career is over. if a plane falls from the sky, you get pee tested. pretty much follow the rules and you'll do fine.

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I've got a question for all of you.
I've done marijuana in the past, it has been almost 2 years since the last use. I straightened myself out. So I just filled out the form for the recruiter to contact online, and it said that I'm not eligible . So am I screwed or what?
If they drug test, how far back do they go?
Dude NEVER admit of anything like that! When i went to the Marine recruitment station they asked me if i ever had a problem using marijuana, i said no. Did i lie? Of course i did, i use to smoke 2 blunts EVERY day hahahaha. Weed stays in your system for about 2-3 weeks, not totally sure but if you haven't done it for about 2 years, your fine. Or if they do a hair test, well then your F'd. Shave your head now!
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Dude NEVER admit of anything like that! When i went to the Marine recruitment station they asked me if i ever had a problem using marijuana, i said no. Did i lie? Of course i did, i use to smoke 2 blunts EVERY day hahahaha. Weed stays in your system for about 2-3 weeks, not totally sure but if you haven't done it for about 2 years, your fine. Or if they do a hair test, well then your F'd. Shave your head now!
They might pluck his pubes haha but srly, like i said wtf. They're not a police agency, no polygraph. The ones that know don't care and the ones that care don't know
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They might pluck his pubes haha but srly, like i said wtf. They're not a police agency, no polygraph. The ones that know don't care and the ones that care don't know
Hahahah the Marines at the recruitment station were even talking about which type of weed was better! Hahahah the Afghani soldiers are blown on the job over there. I saw a video about how they just sit there and smoke weed. Hahahaha
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