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Old 08-04-2011, 7:19 PM
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Default C&R eligible handguns?

I know the rule is 50+ years on rifles, but does the same rule apply to handguns? I will be getting my C&R after I just overpaid for an M91, and my question is, IF I find a dealer, in state or out of state, do you still need to have a gun shipped to an FFL, or can it be shipped straight to my house after C&R verification? Does the same rule apply for C&R handguns? Thanks in advance
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Yes, 50+ year also applies to handguns. In state, if you also get a COE, you still have to in person DROS it at a FFL but you don't have the 10 day wait. Out of state, you can buy all you want, but you must register them with DOJ using this form http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/curioapp.pdf and pay $19 per handgun within 5 days of bringing it into the state.

Just to clarify, the out of state is if you buy it in person and bring it back. Any handgun shipped from out of state must go through a FFL.
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Ok thanks trickster. I have a few rifles in mind like an old Russian SKS and Mosin sniper, which the license itself would save me money on my 1st purchase. I also plan on going to the crossroads gun show in Del Mar in October, so a C&R in hand will hopefully allow me to get the guns Im after on the spot. Theres a few must haves from WW2 but the cold war is my interest.
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Ok thanks trickster. I have a few rifles in mind like an old Russian SKS and Mosin sniper, which the license itself would save me money on my 1st purchase. I also plan on going to the crossroads gun show in Del Mar in October, so a C&R in hand will hopefully allow me to get the guns Im after on the spot. Theres a few must haves from WW2 but the cold war is my interest.
If you want to buy "on the spot" handguns, you will also need to get a COE "Certificate of eligibility" from DOJ. http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/coeapp.pdf otherwise you still have to wait 10 days. In CA, your C&R is useless for handguns unless you also have your COE.
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To add to what Trickster said, in state you can only cash and cary a C&R rifle if it is from a private party, if a rifle is sold by a person with a 01 FFL dealers licence they have to DROS it and wait 10 days to pick up, if you have a COE also you still have to DROS but can take home same day. There were some private parties selling at Del Mar last month but not many, there were more in May I think it was.
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Just backing what Trickster and Chknlyps2 said.

C&R + COE = cash and carry C&R guns from a dealer (be warned, not all of them are up on this exemption though, so you might have to do some friendly "educating").

C&R = have C&R rifles shipped to your front door and buy C&R guns out of state (in person) and import them into California (still have to register handguns/pay fee).

No C&R/COE = FTF cash & carry on C&R long guns (private sales only).

Also worth noting, having a C&R and COE exempt you from the "1 handgun in 30 days from FFLs" rule in California, even on modern handguns.
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Also worth noting, having a C&R and COE exempt you from the "1 handgun in 30 days from FFLs" rule in California, even on modern handguns.
Not as of late, see this thread http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=449449
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It is DOJ trying to force underground regulations. Read the whole thread. It is clearly said that it is legal. Also, our legal eagles are on the matter. They are also ready to fight for any dealer that may have issues with the DOJ for doing something that is legal to do.
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Yes I remember that thread now. I still believe the exemption exists if you find a credible dealer who is also a CalGuns member.
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...if you find a credible dealer who is also a CalGuns member.
This. I am not sure my FFL is an active member here, but they gave me the the thumbs up for still processing it.
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This. I am not sure my FFL is an active member here, but they gave me the the thumbs up for still processing it.
You should do them a favor and name them here so that people know they're awesome!
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Had to bring this thread back from the dead. Thanks for all the info! I finally got around to sending in my C&R today, and Im going to look into the COE too.
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C&R = have C&R rifles shipped to your front door and buy C&R guns out of state (in person) and import them into California (still have to register handguns/pay fee).
Just to clarify, for receiving through the mail in CA, in addition to being C & R eligible the long gun must be greater than 50 years old in order to qualify for a dealerless transfer. A +50 year old Savage 99 can be mailed directly to a C & R holder in CA, a 49 year old Savage 99 must be mailed to an FFL dealer. The laws been posted here before, don't recall the code though.

Of all the crap that CA pulls, stepping on the federally issued licenses it seems to me ought to be challenged. The feds set forth specifications - then in comes CA to add to the requirements. FFLs are the product of federal legislation, it doesn't seem to me that CA ought to be able to piggyback or pile on.

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Just to clarify, for receiving through the mail in CA, in addition to being C & R eligible the long gun must be greater than 50 years old in order to qualify for a dealerless transfer. A +50 year old Savage 99 can be mailed directly to a C & R holder in CA, a 49 year old Savage 99 must be mailed to an FFL dealer. The laws been posted here before, don't recall the code though.

Of all the crap that CA pulls, stepping on the federally issued licenses it seems to me ought to be challenged. The feds set forth specifications - then in comes CA to add to the requirements. FFLs are the product of federal legislation, it doesn't seem to me that CA ought to be able to piggyback or pile on.
They do it all the time.

Look at all the crap a 01 FFL has to go through.
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Just to clarify, for receiving through the mail in CA, in addition to being C & R eligible the long gun must be greater than 50 years old in order to qualify for a dealerless transfer. A +50 year old Savage 99 can be mailed directly to a C & R holder in CA, a 49 year old Savage 99 must be mailed to an FFL dealer. The laws been posted here before, don't recall the code though.

Of all the crap that CA pulls, stepping on the federally issued licenses it seems to me ought to be challenged. The feds set forth specifications - then in comes CA to add to the requirements. FFLs are the product of federal legislation, it doesn't seem to me that CA ought to be able to piggyback or pile on.
Congress said that you must follow State and local laws as a condition of your FFL. As a matter of fact, the California Dangerous Weapons Control Laws are incorporated by reference into the Federal regulation (27 CFR).
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Bring this thread back from the dead to not start a new thread.

I just got my C&R and am wanting to buy a Romanian TT-33 from J&G sales. But I remember seeing something about C&R handguns having different requirements than rifles which I confirmed by finding this thread. It seems that I should obtain this "COE" before I do anything to avoid having to pay a transfer fee when I buy a handgun? But I still have to pay a DROS fee and I take it home the same day, yes?
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Bring this thread back from the dead to not start a new thread.

I just got my C&R and am wanting to buy a Romanian TT-33 from J&G sales. But I remember seeing something about C&R handguns having different requirements than rifles which I confirmed by finding this thread. It seems that I should obtain this "COE" before I do anything to avoid having to pay a transfer fee when I buy a handgun? But I still have to pay a DROS fee and I take it home the same day, yes?
The only thing a 03-FFL and a COE gives you is an exemption from the 10 day waiting period for C&R firearms transfered from a CA FFL dealer.

You still have to pay the transfer fees and do a DROS.
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The only thing a 03-FFL and a COE gives you is an exemption from the 10 day waiting period for C&R firearms transfered from a CA FFL dealer.

You still have to pay the transfer fees and do a DROS.
Right.

If you're up it; I would take the drive to Prescott. Take a lot of money and bring back all the C&R handguns you can afford.
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Ive contacted a few people on gunbroker about their C&R handguns when I was less informed. Apparently, they (some) are not up to speed either, as some would ship a C&R handgun to an 03 holder. They said thats all they need.
What difference is it, if I were to purchase a C&R handgun on GB, have it shipped then register, rather than going out of state, purchasing, then doing the same thing?
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Ive contacted a few people on gunbroker about their C&R handguns when I was less informed. Apparently, they (some) are not up to speed either, as some would ship a C&R handgun to an 03 holder. They said thats all they need.
What difference is it, if I were to purchase a C&R handgun on GB, have it shipped then register, rather than going out of state, purchasing, then doing the same thing?
Because you didnt take physical possesion of it out of state and then bring it into the state yourself.
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Also, unless things have changed, with an FFL03 YOU can legally ship a C&R handgun to YOURSELF from out of state. No FFL01 required but $19 registration required.
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