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Old 07-24-2011, 5:37 PM
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Default What is the best Remington 700 rifle for long range accuracy?

I am looking at putting together a long range Remington 700 and was wondering what the best model is to start with. I want something that is accurate out past 300yds (possibly to 1000yds?). I plan on doing several upgrades. Also, is a longer barell necesarilly more accurate for long distance (22" versus 26")?
Sorry for the rookie questions. Any input is greatly appreciated.
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One with a steady trigger finger behind it and a big quality scope on top of it.
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Depends on what cartridge you want to shoot. For 300 yards any of them will do but out to 1,000 I would go with the longer barrel on the SPS Varmint in 308 Win. It will give you enough weight to soak up the recoil and the longer barrel gets you more velocity for the longer ranges.
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Yeah any 700 will be more accurate than you for a while.lol
A SPS Varmint will be the least expensive to get you in the door. That's what I've got.
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Thanks for the info guys. I forgot to mention that I was looking at .308.
003: Thanks for the link. Are those rifles straight from the manufacturer or do they have any mods? Hard to tell from the site. What about the Model 700 SP Tactical AAC-SD? I like the idea of being able to choose a brake to install.
Thanks again guys and keep the advice coming! (please)
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Got an sps varmint in 308 and does the job for the money!
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i dont have a precision rifle... but i feel as if these Remy 700's will be be able to OUT shoot a lot of beginners. so.. advice? (even though i dont have one?) would be to settle with 500 as your farthest possible, and get really really good at 100 yds, 200, 300, 400.... and move on up
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I personally feel that whole "It will out shoot you" bit is really non-relevant.

Say a new shooter is only good for 5 moa, and a cheap gun can do 3 moa. A good gun can do 1/2 moa. So the shooter has the choice of being able to shoot 8 moa or 5.5moa.

The less discouragement you get when your starting out the better! Also a longer barrel = more bullet speed. When you get out to 1000yards bullet speed is important. At 300 or less its not as critical. YMMV thats just my 2 cents.
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look at the howa tactical in 308
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700 5R is going to be the best out of the box accurate rifle than the SPS Varmit
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Savage rifles kick Remington's *** out of the box.

Check out the 10FP series, there are some models of it that come with brakes already installed and threading for what you'd pay for a stock SPS Varmint/Tactical.

John from 8541 tactical posted a video of him shooting the AAC SD. The dude is a USMC sniper, and he was averaging only 1 MOA with expensive black hills match ammo.

The problem with the 700 rifles is the base stock they come with. Both the plastic furniture and Hogue stocks will NOT free-float the barrel once rested upon a bipod.

The Savage Accustock from the factory is a major improvement, and comes standard on most their rifles now, removing the need for you to upgrade the stock.

So if you get a 700, factor in the cost of replacing the stock with a bell and carlson or HS precision, and you're looking at about $700-$800 for a stock entry model, when that money spent on a 10FP will get you a lot more in terms of accuracy.

Only downside is 700s has a bigger aftermarket, but honestly, you don't need much of one with a Savage. Accutrigger I will say is the absolute best stock trigger on any bolt gun on the market rightn ow.
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here goes the Savage 700 argument.
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so SHOULD u replace the stock on a out of box 700 for example a 700 sps tactical that i want.. now ur making me think i should replace it?...
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Get a 700 police and call it a day.
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so SHOULD u replace the stock on a out of box 700 for example a 700 sps tactical that i want.. now ur making me think i should replace it?...
That's up to you. my sps tactical, out of the box shot .33 MOA @ 100 yds with the hogue stock; and yes the stock touch the barrel when shooting with a Harris bipod. Oh, and I was using 168 SMK Federal GM ammo. But changed my stock since then with B&C which actually free floats the barrel and still shooting the same. YMMV.
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That's up to you. my sps tactical, out of the box shot .33 MOA @ 100 yds with the hogue stock; and yes the stock touch the barrel when shooting with a Harris bipod. Oh, and I was using 168 SMK Federal GM ammo. But changed my stock since then with B&C which actually free floats the barrel and still shooting the same. YMMV.
ahh i see. Hmmm well im buying the rifle anyways haha
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Yeah any 700 will be more accurate than you for a while.lol
A SPS Varmint will be the least expensive to get you in the door. That's what I've got.
Winner. M700 platform is solid.
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so SHOULD u replace the stock on a out of box 700 for example a 700 sps tactical that i want.. now ur making me think i should replace it?...
If you get a 700 Police or a 700 LTR it will come with a HS precision stock which does float the barrel and does not need to be replaced.
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guy behind the counter of Turner's told me that all the new various 700 models are gonna be 5r, and all their new stuff will have that x-mark pro trigger. true or false?

reason im asking is i have a build plan in mind and I just want to make sure I'm getting the barrel/trigger I want for it
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700 comes in a specific 5R model.

I don't think they offer the 5R rifling on other models.

Barrel makers do offer 5R rifling in their barrels, but Remington factory barrels are either 5R to be put on their milspec model or just normal rifling for your varmint/tactical/ADl/BDL etc etc etc.

Every now and then you might find yourself a 5R barreled action that migrated to a different stock, but it probably originally sat in the 5R spiderwebbed stock as part of the Milspec 700 package.

So unless it makes any mention of 5R on the box, it probably isn't 5R.

The Xmark trigger part I believe is true. All 700s do come with it I think, probably as a way of competing with Savage's accutrigger (pre-accutrigger sucked compared to Rem's trigger, now they're both up there).
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700 police and leupold 4-14 gonna run u $2000 get u to 1000+ all day long, Wanna go deluxe, get a night force 5.5-22 adds another grand. or spend that additional $$$ on reloading gear. Sorry dude no cheap way out you are gonna spend some cash.
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I believe one factor that's limiting me a little bit right now is the Simmons Whitetail Classic $140 glass. My brother-in-law's SPS Varmint recently destroyed a similarly priced Bushnell Banner where the crosshairs are now canted 20 degrees or so from the vertical. I don't see the Simmons dying that kind of death, but it might have more play in the adjustment screws than a higher quality optic. I can't dial in exact 1/4 MOA changes, just relative ones where the first click takes up the slack maybe. If you're just starting out my advice is to save some money on the rifle and buy a better scope that you can always move to the next rifle.
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WOW! That is a lot to digest! Not complaining, just wasn't esxpecting that much feedback. Awesome!
I guess I was just wondering if one 700 model had a better reputation than others. My plan is to get one of these so I am going to replace the stock. I was also thinking of getting the action and bolt bluebrinted (maybe). I have a (don't laugh) Bushnell Elite Tactical 6500 4.5 X 50 scope that I bought because I got a REALLY good price on it. I already have two Harris Bi-Pods, so I am set there.
As far as barrel length, longer barrels equal greater speed but do they equal greater accuracy? The Remington 700s have barrel lengths from 20" to 26".
BTW what does "5R" refer to? Is it a barrel type or rifling type? Please excuse my ignorance. Thanks again for all the great advice.
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I was also thinking of getting the action and bolt bluebrinted (maybe).
I would recommend shooting the rifle for a while first then having a gunsmith work it over. Since you will be pouring money into it for truing the action, you may as well put on a nice match barrel. Do what you will, but you would save money in the long run.

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Length equals velocity. Period. Length is usually desired for the longest ranges when staying supersonic really matters. Transitioning to subsonic plays crazy games with the bullet's stability, so maintaining about Mach 1.2 (in .308 Win.) is desired for 1000 yard shooting. In this case, velocity may mean greater accuracy if your selected bullet does not transition to subsonic speeds well.

Generally speaking, shorter barrels are stiffer; therefore, they are prone to being more accurate. However, you lose velocity which could hurt you. Reaching long range with a shorter barrel requires very well prepared loads (or high quality retail ammo) and proper bullet selection.

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what does "5R" refer to? Is it a barrel type or rifling type?
It means that there are five lands and groves that are radiused so that the rifling is not a perfect square (still flat on top, but the transition from lands to grooves is less drastic). This rifling is supposed to create less stress on the bullet and are often claimed to be "cleaner" (meaning less fouling). Additionally, less stress on the bullet may cause velocities to improve.

It has little to do with accuracy as any canted or radiused rifling does not seem to be the end all be all. Close tolerances in the manufacturing makes a barrel prone to being accurate, not the style of rifling.
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Thanks for the great info RugerNo1, that explains a LOT of things in language even I can understand.
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In terms of barrel length, more velocity is more speed.

However, the 308 is not an ideal 1000 yard gun. We do it not because it' designed to, but because bullet technology allows us the opportunity.

6.5x47 lapua, any 6mm laser round kicks .308 *** at 1000 yards.

But 308 wins in terms of versatility and market availability.

In this video a former USMC Scout Sniper shoots a custom GA Precision Gladius out to 1000 yards. He is using heavy 175gr commercial match ammo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15qj032UJ1I

So yes, it can be done, but the bigger question is if your skills are up to it and if you're willing to drop the money on that type of ammo.

Personally, I'd go with a 18-22" barrel. You lose some velocity, but you gain enormous benefit from improved handling and weight balance.

That Bushnell scope is a great scope in its price range, nothing shameful about it.

Also, what is your budget? There is a custom 700 20" rifle with a heavy Pac-Nor 308 barrel, HS Precision stock, and Leupold scope and bipod going for $1500 in the for sale section. At that price, it's a steal.

You are in Santa Barbara area in Socal which gives you access to good ranges.

You also have access to great gunsmiths.

Randy at R&D precision quoted me $1450 for a Krieger MTU profile 308 w/700 action build (no stock factored in), which is very affordable for a custom built gun. Lead time is about 6 months from the time he gets all the components.

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Thanks JCaoLoveShine. That was an awesome video and the link that the video referred to (SnipersHide.com) was very cool and informative.
I looked for the 700 that you referred to in the classifieds but cannot find it. Do you have a link?
Thanks again for all the great info.
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I could be mistaken, but I think 21-22 in. In a 308, is long enough for a complete powder burn, not sure if anything longer will actually increase velocity. Altho anything shorter will lose ~50fps per inch, roughly
The 308 will continue to accelerate with barrels longer than 30 inches.
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700 police and leupold 4-14 gonna run u $2000 get u to 1000+ all day long, Wanna go deluxe, get a night force 5.5-22 adds another grand. or spend that additional $$$ on reloading gear. Sorry dude no cheap way out you are gonna spend some cash.
+1, I went with the 700 pss .308 and Leupold Mark IV when I built my precision rifle. I'm very happy with the results and really can't see a reason to spend any more money unless I was shooting past 700 yards frequently.
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