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Old 07-07-2011, 1:48 PM
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Default SAF FILES FOR PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION AGAINST ILLINOIS CARRY BAN (7/7/11)

Motion is here: http://www.archive.org/download/gov....52015.13.0.pdf

Memo Supporting Motion is here: http://www.archive.org/download/gov....52015.14.0.pdf

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For Immediate Release: 7/7/2011

BELLEVUE, WA – Capitalizing on its federal appeals court victory Wednesday in Ezell v. City of Chicago, the Second Amendment Foundation today moved for a preliminary injunction against the State of Illinois to prevent further enforcement of that state’s prohibitions on firearms carry in public by law-abiding citizens.

The motion was filed in U.S. District Court for the Central District of Illinois in Springfield. Joining SAF in this motion are Illinois Carry and four private citizens, Michael Moore, Charles Hooks, Peggy Fechter and Jon Maier. The underlying case is known as Moore v. Madigan.

Illinois is the only state in the nation with such prohibitions. The state neither allows open carry or concealed carry, which runs afoul of recent U.S. Supreme Court Second Amendment rulings, including last year’s landmark ruling in McDonald v. City of Chicago, another SAF case. SAF was represented in McDonald and Ezell by attorney Alan Gura, who noted after yesterday’s appeals court win – forcing a temporary injunction against the city’s ban on gun ranges that the city immediately changed after the decision was announced – that “Even Chicago politicians must respect the people’s fundamental civil rights…Gun rights are coming to Chicago. The only question is how much the city’s intransigence will cost taxpayers along the way.”

“Now that the Seventh Circuit has recognized that the deprivation of the right of armed self-defense is an inherently irreparable injury, it is clear that Illinois’ law-abiding gun owners are entitled to a protective injunction,” said attorney David Jensen of New York, who, along with Glen Ellyn, IL attorney David Sigale, is representing SAF and the other plaintiffs.

“Yesterday’s win was a wake-up call to Chicago,” said SAF Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb. “Today’s motion is a signal to the Illinois Legislature that the state’s total ban on carrying of firearms for personal protection is counter to both Supreme Court rulings on the Second Amendment, and yesterday’s ruling by the Seventh Circuit appeals panel that shredded Chicago’s gun ordinance. Our victory Wednesday and today’s motion are key components of SAF’s overall mission to win back firearms freedoms one lawsuit at a time.”

The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nation's oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control. In addition to the landmark McDonald v. Chicago Supreme Court Case, SAF has previously funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles; New Haven, CT; New Orleans; Chicago and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners, a lawsuit against the cities suing gun makers and numerous amicus briefs holding the Second Amendment as an individual right.
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That was quick. The email only hit my inbox a few minutes ago...
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Wow, I thought they would be busy tearing down permits and FOID cards before they went after carry.

I am surprised.
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Wow, I thought they would be busy tearing down permits and FOID cards before they went after carry.
If you get a right to carry, the aforementioned are superfluous or must essentially be low-fee/shall issue administrivia.
If you have a right to carry, you end up with the right to relevant paperwork issued in relation to that ;-)
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Smart. Very very smart. Some form of carry, concealed or open, is as close to the "core" of the second amendment as you can get. This was clear in Heller, and I'm sure the 7th agrees. I'm glad to see the best of the best leading the charge on this one.
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I'm guessing this Michael Moore is skinnier and better looking. Just sayin.
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Oh, how much fun are the banners for our side? And so profitable too.

Wasn't there something in Ezell appeals opinion about self-defense being a core right? Sounds like we have a home-run here.

How fast can a state legislature move to try to moot this case? Probably not as fast as the Chicago city council.

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Motion for PI and Memorandum.
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Awesome. Win in the 7th and a loss in, say... the 9th creates a split and sets up for SCOTUS, no?
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Wonder how many weeks they've been planning this step

Alan Gottlieb hinted at this yesterday if people were reading closely.

Illinois carry may move ahead of the entire carry pack outside of Williams/Masciandaro.

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With all the amazing work that Alan Gura has done in the past couple years I really hope he's been raising his hourly rate accordingly. Chicago should be buying him an island in French Polynesia by the time he's done with them.
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Hasn't Moore v Madigan been around for like a month now?
Yes but the difference is the schedule. Pre Ezell, there would be cross motions for summary judgement and it would take 180 days. Now, the Preliminary Injunction motion is heard in a couple of weeks and decided in a couple of weeks and could be on appeal - either way - inside of 90 days and maybe even 60. The "irreparable harm standard" is the new key.

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Yes but the difference is the schedule. Pre Ezell, there would be cross motions for summary judgement and it would take 180 days. Now, the Preliminary Injunction motion is heard in a couple of weeks and decided in a couple of weeks and could be on appeal - either way - inside of 90 days and maybe even 60. The "irreparable harm standard" is the new key.

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equitable relief. See Ezell v. Chicago, no. 10-3525, slip op. p. 24 (7th Cir. Jul. 6, 2011).
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I'm guessing this Michael Moore is skinnier and better looking. Just sayin.
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Oh snap!
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Do you think the collective legs of SAF, CGF, et al are getting tired from kicking the cr*p out of Chicago?
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I especially liked this from page 12 of the memo supporting motion:

The final consideration is that the “injury” here is the preclusion of an act that the Constitution affirmatively and explicitly protects. This weighs significantly on the balance of equities because “there can be no irreparable harm to a municipality when it is prevented from enforcing an unconstitutional statute,” and the public interest always weighs in favor of protecting constitutional rights. See Joelner v. Wash. Park, 378 F.3d 613, 620 (7th Cir. 2004).

Stated differently (and perhaps more accurately), any “harm” that necessarily results from allowing protected conduct to take place is the necessary price of protecting civil rights – rather than a consideration weighing against equitable relief.
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Edit: Working now. Seems inconsistent?
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Still not working.
They are for me; it's not a page link but a direct download. Check the downloads folder.
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They are for me; it's not a page link but a direct download. Check the downloads folder.
Not it works. It was giving a gateway error before like the previous poster said.
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Wow, I thought they would be busy tearing down permits and FOID cards before they went after carry.

I am surprised.
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If you get a right to carry, the aforementioned are superfluous or must essentially be low-fee/shall issue administrivia.
If you have a right to carry, you end up with the right to relevant paperwork issued in relation to that ;-)
Technically, you get an ownership right to the paperwork. Subtle but important difference. A good one for us, btw.
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How fast can a state legislature move to try to moot this case? Probably not as fast as the Chicago city council.
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Our carry bill, HB148, was pulled by the author when he saw the votes were not there. As it sits now, the bill is on 'postponed consideration' and is able to be brought back up in the Fall veto session (if not sooner by the Governor calling a special session).

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