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Old 07-01-2011, 2:24 PM
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Exclamation SB427 in Approp.'s Wed. 7/6: Urge Reps to Oppose Costly Ammo Sales Registration

On Wednesday, July 6th, the Assembly Appropriations Committee will consider Senate Bill 427, carried by anti-gun Senator Kevin De Leon. Much like SB 124, SB 427 is falsely being promoted by Senator De Leon as “minor” cleanup legislation to AB 962 (2009) which was declared unconstitutional as a result of an NRA lawsuit earlier this year. Initially, SB 427 would have given law enforcement the authority to collect ammunition sales records from ammunition retailers, while requiring ammunition vendors to notify local law enforcement of the intention to engage in the business of selling ammunition. Senator De Leon kept the bill in this limited form in order to push the bill through the Senate.

Simultaneously, Senator De Leon authored Senate Bill 124, which was falsely promoted as the “cop-killer bullet protection act,” even though the SB 124’s true purpose is to redefine the definition of “handgun ammunition” and to circumvent the Court decision which found his previous ammunition registration regulations (AB 962) unconstitutional. Now that Senator De Leon’s strategic ploy to require the registration of all ammunition via 124 has been exposed, law enforcement opposition to that bill is growing.

It appears the Senator, in light of the trouble SB 124 is facing, is now scrambling to come up with yet another definition of “handgun ammunition” that will be over inclusive, and using SB 427 to do so. Senator De Leon recently amended SB 427 to include a list of “calibers” which would have to be registered, including ammunition popular among hunters and collectors that has no association with crime. By only recently amending SB 427 to require registration of ammunition sales, Senator De Leon avoided scrutiny by the Senate Appropriations Committee. To be sure, now that SB 427 has been amended, it will result in significant costs to the state, both in terms of enforcement costs and lost sale tax revenue.

Please contact the Assembly Appropriations Committee today and urge them to vote no on this unnecessary, trojan-horse legislative proposal that will result in untold local and state enforcement costs, and which will cost the state hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost sale-tax revenues by driving business out of state.

You can contact the Assembly Appropriations Committee via the user friendly one-click message center on calnra.com: http://calnra.com/legs.shtml Just scroll down to the One-Click Messsage Center and click on roman numeral VI. (SB 427). Simply cut and paste portions from this alert and/or draft your own opposition request, but remember to focus on the cost angle at this time, as this is an Appropriations committee hearing. All other arguments can (and will) be focused on hugely if SB 427 makes it back to the Senate.

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If we 'loved' 962, we're gonna like 427 about as much.
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When is this guy going to hit his term limit. I propose a statewide shoot and 'Que party the day of.
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I urge you to oppose SB427. Our state is broke, and the last thing we should be doing is considering expensive regulations that will diminish sales of highly-taxed goods (ammunition). Furthermore, the proposed regulations are unconstitutional and will cost the state millions of dollars in legal fees to defend. We need to focus on creating jobs, not enacting more costly regulations that kill jobs and contribute to the budget deficit.

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Here is the post Goober made in the SB124 thread so you can cut and paste the email addreses.

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Thank you for this thread. I need someone to help me in Sacramento before this hearing to do a special project against this bill. I only need one volunteer who is available Tuesday Morning.

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does this guy ever stop....
hmmm no. and he won't as long as the drones in his district continue to vote for him.
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Emails sent.

Yet another assault on the 2nd Amendment by the great state of California.

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These knuckle heads need to fix this state not screw with us a check is coming in the mail.
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Emails Sent (7/5/2011).

Is there really anyone there at the other end or is it some desolate place where the wind blows?
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i made calls to my area rep's and filed my opposition.

i called mr.de leon's office in sac. and asked the idiot on the phone to explain the bills and he could not and would not explain or clarify anything about the bills...i remained courteous and polite at all times too..
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Thank you for contacting me. I would greatly appreciate the opportunity to respond to your e-mail. In order to enable me to send you a responsive e-mail, please go to www.assembly.ca.gov/hill and click on “Contact Me”.

If you would like to schedule an appointment to meet with me or a member of my staff, or you would like to extend an invitation to attend an event, please e-mail Marina Gonzales at marina.gonzales@asm.ca.gov or telephone her at 916-319-2019.
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I know that contacting elected officials is important, but it seems everytime I send emails to these individuals, the response is always the same - you are not my constituent, so I can't help you (the basic message).

What good is it if I can't call, email or websend a message to another district's official and lodge my complaint?

Thoughts? Suggestions? Solutions? Snide comments? All appreciated...
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I know that contacting elected officials is important, but it seems everytime I send emails to these individuals, the response is always the same - you are not my constituent, so I can't help you (the basic message).

What good is it if I can't call, email or websend a message to another district's official and lodge my complaint?

Thoughts? Suggestions? Solutions? Snide comments? All appreciated...
I sent emails to all on the list about this bill and sb124 on the other thread. I just got this email today from Assemblyman Curt Hagman and I am not in his district.


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Recently on July 5th, the Assembly Public Safety Committee, of which I am a member, heard two important bills that concern our 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms.



The first, SB 124 (De León), expands the definition of crimes relating to armor piercing ammunition and expands the ammunition provisions of AB 962. Though AB 962 was recently ruled unconstitutional, this bill attempts to remedy the issues that concerned the court.



The second is SB 798 (De León), which initially sought to classify all BB gun and airsoft devices as imitation firearms, thereby subjecting them to new rules and specifications (i.e. color, packaging, etc). This bill was originally heard on June 21st by this same committee and defeated. However the author recently amended SB 798 which now would permit local governments to pass ordinances to require BB guns, paintball guns, and airsoft rifles be subject to coloration requirements.


Then on July 7th, the Public Safety Committee discussed SJR 7, which would memorialize the Legislature's support of the proposed Federal Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act.

Unfortunately, all of these harmful and unnecessary bills passed out of the public safety committee. Please be assured that I spoke out against and voted against every one of them.


We need to focus our efforts on strengthening the economy and creating jobs, not creating new hardships and restrictions for retailers, business owners, and responsible gun owners.



I urge you to contact your State Assemblymember and tell them to oppose these bills when they reach the floor for a vote.



It is citizens like you that will help lead the way to a better California. I will not give up the fight to protect our basic rights and I hope you will also continue this cause. Thank you for your support.



It is an honor to serve you and the State of California.





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Yep, Hagman's our friend... But sadly, just about every one of these abominations is making it all the way to the floor....
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On Wednesday, July 6th, the Assembly Appropriations Committee will consider Senate Bill 427, carried by anti-gun Senator Kevin De Leon. Much like SB 124, SB 427 is falsely being promoted by Senator De Leon as “minor” cleanup legislation to AB 962 (2009) which was declared unconstitutional as a result of an NRA lawsuit earlier this year. Initially, SB 427 would have given law enforcement the authority to collect ammunition sales records from ammunition retailers, while requiring ammunition vendors to notify local law enforcement of the intention to engage in the business of selling ammunition. Senator De Leon kept the bill in this limited form in order to push the bill through the Senate.

Simultaneously, Senator De Leon authored Senate Bill 124, which was falsely promoted as the “cop-killer bullet protection act,” even though the SB 124’s true purpose is to redefine the definition of “handgun ammunition” and to circumvent the Court decision which found his previous ammunition registration regulations (AB 962) unconstitutional. Now that Senator De Leon’s strategic ploy to require the registration of all ammunition via 124 has been exposed, law enforcement opposition to that bill is growing.

It appears the Senator, in light of the trouble SB 124 is facing, is now scrambling to come up with yet another definition of “handgun ammunition” that will be over inclusive, and using SB 427 to do so. Senator De Leon recently amended SB 427 to include a list of “calibers” which would have to be registered, including ammunition popular among hunters and collectors that has no association with crime. By only recently amending SB 427 to require registration of ammunition sales, Senator De Leon avoided scrutiny by the Senate Appropriations Committee. To be sure, now that SB 427 has been amended, it will result in significant costs to the state, both in terms of enforcement costs and lost sale tax revenue.

Please contact the Assembly Appropriations Committee today and urge them to vote no on this unnecessary, trojan-horse legislative proposal that will result in untold local and state enforcement costs, and which will cost the state hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost sale-tax revenues by driving business out of state.

You can contact the Assembly Appropriations Committee via the user friendly one-click message center on calnra.com: http://calnra.com/legs.shtml Just scroll down to the One-Click Messsage Center and click on roman numeral VI. (SB 427). Simply cut and paste portions from this alert and/or draft your own opposition request, but remember to focus on the cost angle at this time, as this is an Appropriations committee hearing. All other arguments can (and will) be focused on hugely if SB 427 makes it back to the Senate.

Emails are an utter waste of time with these people, thay could give a rats azz about our opinions. I hope Ammiano gets mugged.
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