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Question Can I still legally build an AR pistol?

I've always wanted to build an AR pistol. With the new legislation, seems like that dream will have to become a reality very soon.

My plan was to use at 80% polymer receiver and a 9mm upper.

How can I legally build this in CA, what are the best components, and what will happen to this build next year?

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I also have a related question, how does an ar pistol differ from a sbr
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I've always wanted to build an AR pistol. With the new legislation, seems like that dream will have to become a reality very soon.

My plan was to use at 80% polymer receiver and a 9mm upper.

How can I legally build this in CA, what are the best components, and what will happen to this build next year?

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It is possible. Someone will be along to explain how specifically to do it legally. Basically it can only be single shot. I wouldn't use a polymer lower but that's just me. Find a 9mm lower might be a little difficult as well.
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A Short Barreled Rifle is a rifle with a total length of less than 30" (CA) or 26" (Federally) or it has a barrel length of less than 16". A pistol doesn't not and cannot accept a butt stock.
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You do know normal 9mm pistols are readily available, right?

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You do know normal 9mm pistols are readily available, right?

Here's one:

Well aware, but a 9mm pistols are a dime a dozen, while a homebuilt AR pistol has a high cool factor and gives you cred at the range.

I don't really care much for regular handguns, I just want to build something myself.
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SBR without a stock basically
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SBR without a stock basically
Which would make it not a rifle so not a SBR. There are specific terms we should use.
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SBR without a stock basically
SBR without a stock = pistol.

I really want to do this, I think it's a fun project, but I also don't want to land in jail for doing it.
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Well aware, but a 9mm pistols are a dime a dozen, while a homebuilt AR pistol has a high cool factor and gives you cred at the range.

I don't really care much for regular handguns, I just want to build something myself.
well, that 9mm pistol sure isn't a dime a dozen. that Beretta 92 Steel-I 9mm pistol (nickel-plated steel frame w/frame-mounted saftey) goes for $2k+ even in the free states.

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You can currently find someone selling an AR pistol in the used market and PPT or you can build one from a 80% stripped lower like you said, but it will have to be engraved because any AR pistol in California will have to be registered as AW next year. Unlike the rifle AR15s that can avoid registration legally with featureless, AR pistols cannot go featureless. Pending any special maglocks or BB2.0 confirmation, after this year you won't be able to obtain a AR pistol in California nor sell or transfer here. Whereas you can still buy and build rifle AR15s in featureless configuration and not register as AW and still sell and transfer those.
At least that's what has been said on here, of course we'll know 100% once DoJ releases the terms of AW.

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AR pistols cannot have a stock, vertical foregrip, and cannot be shouldered.
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Well aware, but a 9mm pistols are a dime a dozen, while a homebuilt AR pistol has a high cool factor and gives you cred at the range.

I don't really care much for regular handguns, I just want to build something myself.

No, I just laugh when I see those. So much operator you is.
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Well aware, but a 9mm pistols are a dime a dozen, while a homebuilt AR pistol has a high cool factor and gives you cred at the range.

I don't really care much for regular handguns, I just want to build something myself.
What range do you go to? LOL
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SBR without a stock = pistol.

I really want to do this, I think it's a fun project, but I also don't want to land in jail for doing it.
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This is interesting:

http://www.franklinarmory.com/PRODUC...t_Pistols.html
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What's interesting about it? Yes they make a single shot ar pistol. It cannot be made into a semi auto. Bolt action ar handgun.
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It is possible. Someone will be along to explain how specifically to do it legally. Basically it can only be single shot. I wouldn't use a polymer lower but that's just me. Find a 9mm lower might be a little difficult as well.

A Short Barreled Rifle is a rifle with a total length of less than 30" (CA) or 26" (Federally) or it has a barrel length of less than 16". A pistol doesn't not and cannot accept a butt stock.
Why wouldn't you be able to convert it to a semi auto? I understand it must be built as a single shot, but that it could be converted to semi auto later. Is this wrong?
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Why wouldn't you be able to convert it to a semi auto? I understand it must be built as a single shot, but that it could be converted to semi auto later. Is this wrong?
Quiet is the guy on this information.
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The handgun needs to be made into a dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol or a dimensionally compliant break-top/open single-shot pistol.

Because the firearm can never had been semi-auto prior to creation, you will most likely need to build your own upper, instead of buying an existing upper and modifying it. This is because existing uppers are typically test fired by the manufacturer as a semi-auto.

In addition to installing a non-detachable 0 round mag/sled*, the following must be done depending on the type of upper...

If the AR style pistol normally operates via direct impingement, then:
1. Do not install a gas tube.
2. Do not install a gas block or plug the gas block.
This makes it a straight pull bolt-action single-shot.

If the AR style pistol normally operates via gas-piston, then:
1. Do not install a gas piston.
2. Do not install a gas block or plug the gas block.
This makes it a straight pull bolt-action single-shot.

If the AR style pistol normally operates via blowback, then:
1. Install a dowel in the buffer tube, which prevents the buffer from moving.
This makes it a break-top/open single-shot.

The upper will also need a minimum 6" barrel length and the handgun will need a minimum 10.5" overall length.

*non-detachable 0 round mag/sled...
Until 12-31-2016, a "bullet button" style maglock + 0 round mag/sled will comply with this requirement.
Starting 01-01-2017, a maglock that requires the firearm's action to be disassembled + 0 round mag/sled or a sealed/welded in 0 round mag/sled or a solid magazine well will be needed to comply with this requirement.
I could be wrong about the semi but you might want to pm him and see his answer about it.
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Building it into a bolt action style pistol, does that take effect in 2017, or do you have to do that NOW if you want to build an AR pistol?
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Building it into a bolt action style pistol, does that take effect in 2017, or do you have to do that NOW if you want to build an AR pistol?
Need to do it now.
It's been required since 01-01-2015.
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Need to do it now.
It's been required since 01-01-2015.
If one to were build one now, could it be converted to semi auto after or does one need to leave it bolt action?
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With who, mall ninjas?
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Everyone I know who has purchase or build an AR or AK pistol, literally "got over it" the first time out at the range...

I have enough seat time with them to know I dont like em either... shooting theirs literally saved me money.
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Everyone I know who has purchase or build an AR or AK pistol, literally "got over it" the first time out at the range...

I have enough seat time with them to know I dont like em either... shooting theirs literally saved me money.
I've taken mine out to shoot once...not that cool to have really.
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You can currently find someone selling an AR pistol in the used market and PPT or you can build one from a 80% stripped lower like you said, but it will have to be engraved because any AR pistol in California will have to be registered as AW next year. Unlike the rifle AR15s that can avoid registration legally with featureless, AR pistols cannot go featureless. Pending any special maglocks or BB2.0 confirmation, after this year you won't be able to obtain a AR pistol in California nor sell or transfer here. Whereas you can still buy and build rifle AR15s in featureless configuration and not register as AW and still sell and transfer those.
At least that's what has been said on here, of course we'll know 100% once DoJ releases the terms of AW.
Or next time quote the WHOLE thing instead of just taking one sentence.... like the part where I said we'll know for sure when DoJ releases terms.
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There is a post selling AR pistol with picture and description of the build plus DROS paper as pistol. You can learn from it as well.
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Well aware, but a 9mm pistols are a dime a dozen, while a homebuilt AR pistol has a high cool factor and gives you cred at the range.

I don't really care much for regular handguns, I just want to build something myself.
LOL he said cred at the range.

I could care less about "cred" at the range. In fact, I love when the range is empty and have it all to myself. But nowadays thats a rare occurrence.

How's your Street Cred bro?
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LOL he said cred at the range.

I could care less about "cred" at the range. In fact, I love when the range is empty and have it all to myself. But nowadays thats a rare occurrence.

How's your Street Cred bro?
Yea cred at the range....he means cred amongst his homies

I remember when the range was empty now im lucky to get one lane let alone 2
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You can currently find someone selling an AR pistol in the used market and PPT (your stated opinion)

or you can build one from a 80% stripped lower like you said, but it will have to be engraved because any AR pistol in California will have to be registered as AW next year.(you state as a fact but needs citation)

Unlike the rifle AR15s that can avoid registration legally with featureless, AR pistols cannot go featureless.(you state as a fact but needs citation)

Pending any special maglocks or BB2.0 confirmation, after this year you won't be able to obtain a AR pistol in California nor sell or transfer here.(you qualified your opinion with an "out")

Whereas you can still buy and build rifle AR15s in featureless configuration and not register as AW and still sell and transfer those.(you state as a fact but needs citation)

At least that's what has been said on here,(needs citation)

of course we'll know 100% once DoJ releases the terms of AW. (you qualified your opinion)

AR pistols cannot have a stock, vertical foregrip, and cannot be shouldered.(you state as a fact but needs citation)

So your post which in my opinion was designed to answer the OP is filled with a mixture of uncited facts and opinions to someone looking for legal answers which you aren't qualified to answer...FAIL
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I you go with a polymer you can engrave for ca but not for atf if you ever want to sell. Must have a metal plate imbedded permanently and no one knows how to do that. Go with aluminum I did.
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Well, that's dumb bolt action AR pistol does not sound like it's any fun
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Well, that's dumb bolt action AR pistol does not sound like it's any fun
Semi-auto 9mm AR pistol doesn't really sound fun either, but to each their own...

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Sorry but I just don't get it... I would compare the logic of a 9mm AR pistol to buying a tow truck and installing a Prius drivetrain into it because, well, you always liked hybrids but you just aren't that into sedans. Interesting idea, neat that you were able to do that, but after about 5 seconds of using it you'll wonder why the hell you didn't just buy Prius for half the price. If building an AR excites you, that's great, I love building them too. And, like you, I also enjoy shooting 9mm. I just don't try to combine the 2. JMO.

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Semi-auto 9mm AR pistol doesn't really sound fun either, but to each their own...

If you like having a giant dong pointed at your face while you're shooting 9mm you could always get one of these new glocks:

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Semi-auto 9mm AR pistol doesn't really sound fun either, but to each their own...

If you like having a giant dong pointed at your face while you're shooting 9mm you could always get one of these new glocks:



The really big plus to a 9mm AR is that it's useable at indoor ranges as well.

I'm really more of a rifle guy than a pistol guy.
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