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Old 12-11-2016, 5:35 PM
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Default First SQUIB - Freedom Munitions and Glock 22

Whew!!!! Since I got into firearms last May - just experienced my first SQUIB...!!! And I survived.... *LOL*

Late cold afternoon, headed to the range and practice some Dot Torture at 5-yards with my Glock 22... (Which, unfortunately not my day as I was getting misses where I shouldn't)

Anyways, I was at the Strong Hand Only... I press the trigger... And *CLICK*

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That didn't sound like a Bang. I glanced at the ejection port, and didn't see any brass. Okay...

I placed the handgun down pointing downrange and waited for about 30-seconds. I then proceeded to eject the magazine and rack the slide several times.

And I got an empty shell...! Okay, if this is an empty shell and there was no bang, what happened? I locked the slide, and peered through the ejection port. Nothing seems out of the ordinary. ... But then, my gut said otherwise... I peered harder, and LO...!!! Brass!!!

Dang!

I called the RSO and requested for help... We field stripped the handgun, and proceeded to use a rod to get the bullet out!

He exclaimed, ".... You have good eyes, ears and feel... If you have shot another round, you may have gotten something MUCH WORST..."

Dang! That was a close call... Round was from Freedom Munitions, a 165GR RNFP New.




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Old 12-11-2016, 5:54 PM
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Freedom Munitions and a .40cal glock, just be glad it was a squib and didnt blow up in your face. Lol seriously freedom munitions is terrible.
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Good save!

What do you think the cause was? No powder at all? Underload?
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What do you think the cause was? No powder at all? Underload?


I really don't know much yet about ammunition; but, I'd reckon from the empty casing and the bullet made it 1/3rd through the barrel - underload (??)...




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Had a primer and no powder.
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Had a primer and no powder.
If there was no powder, how did the bullet made it a short way through the barrel? If I didn't look more closely, I may have missed it...

(Pardon the question - I'm still learning)



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Freedom Munitions and a .40cal glock, just be glad it was a squib and didnt blow up in your face. Lol seriously freedom munitions is terrible.
I've gone through a couple of thousands now - 9, 40 and 45. So far so good... Hence, during Thanksgiving Sale, had ordered a few hundreds...

But then, am not loading my guns anymore when I participate in some IDPA clinics, etc... Only during plinking.

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Old 12-11-2016, 6:22 PM
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I'm never gonna buy Freedom Munitions. All the horror stories of their stuff.
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A primer has just enough punch to lodge the bullet in the barrel.
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I'm never gonna buy Freedom Munitions. All the horror stories of their stuff.
Lessons learned. I'll just have to go through my current inventory, and that's it... *hope for the best*



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A primer has just enough punch to lodge the bullet in the barrel.
Yep. RIP Brandon Lee.
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I've never had an issue with FM ammo, knock on wood. Seems lately I've been hearing more stories like these. Well mail order ammo is dead soon in CA, guess I'll just have to by local.
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How do you like the Talon grips on your G22?
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Wow. I've had good experience so far on 500-600 9mm 115gr reloads. I've heard just as many if not more bad reviews of lax ammo
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Old 12-11-2016, 7:21 PM
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How do you like the Talon grips on your G22?
I got it when I started into firearms, it was good, IMO, then...

But now that I'm developing my grip - I find it of little help. I use a C-Clamp grip - the shooting hand's primary focus is front/back side pressure; side-to-side pressure along with recoil management comes from the support hand (with a locked wrist at around 30-deg).

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Wow. I've had good experience so far on 500-600 9mm 115gr reloads. I've heard just as many if not more bad reviews of lax ammo
And mine is not even a REMAN, but Freedom Munitions factory NEW.



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I've never had an issue with FM ammo, knock on wood. Seems lately I've been hearing more stories like these. Well mail order ammo is dead soon in CA, guess I'll just have to by local.
I thought it would be from 2018?

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Also had my first and only squib thus far with freedommunitons. I haven't bought from them since after reading all the similar stories told here
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Old 12-11-2016, 8:24 PM
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Wow. I've had good experience so far on 500-600 9mm 115gr reloads. I've heard just as many if not more bad reviews of lax ammo
Same here - had heard more bad reviews of LAX ammunition....

Plus, ordering LAX Ammo online doesn't make sense as Sales Tax and Shipping brings it on par with those from SGAmmo, etc.

That said - I would believe that the ammo ban won't be effective until 2018. There is still time to stock up!!!

PLUS, have heard that the CRPA, with renewed strength from a Trump win, are proceeding to challenge Prop 63.

I guess it's ALL dry practice going forward then... *sigh*

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I'm Surprised How This Company Still Gets Business
I guess from novices like me who still doesn't know much, and are attracted by the price point... *sigh*




So, I guess, it's better to go with those from reputable factory brands? WWB, Fiocchi, CCI Blazer Brass, MagTech, etc?


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Reloads aren't all that much cheaper from the factory stuff. Order from SG Ammo or Ammo Supply Warehouse.

I hear nothing but bad things about Freedom Munitions these days.
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Thanks for the feedback on the talons. I'm pretty experienced shooter but new to Glocks. Still trying to find peace with the grip.
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Old 12-11-2016, 9:16 PM
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Reloads aren't all that much cheaper from the factory stuff. Order from SG Ammo or Ammo Supply Warehouse.

I hear nothing but bad things about Freedom Munitions these days.
I used to order from SG Ammo and Ammo Supply Warehouse, but, then, Freedom Munitions price point (especially during special campaigns) were so attractive, I've gone through several hundred of rounds in all my guns' calibers (9, 40 and 45).

Lessons learned (again)...! I'll just have to run through my current batch, and never again... *knock on wood*

BTW, did a Dot Torture today, and didn't neglect the SHO/WHO shooting. Albeit, I was really OFF today. Very careless!!!

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Your 40S&W squib is God's way of telling you to sell it.

Congratulations on the SHO/WHO. I did some 2" dots at 7 yards (1/3 FS, 1/3 SHO, 1/3 WHO) this weekend and they were awful.
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Your 40S&W squib is God's way of telling you to sell it.
In good time... Honestly, I am STILL so attached to the gun...

AND, I still suck at the 9mm Glock 19.


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Congratulations on the SHO/WHO. I did some 2" dots at 7 yards (1/3 FS, 1/3 SHO, 1/3 WHO) this weekend and they were awful.
Thanks! Dot torture at 7-yards??? That will be fun... BTW, what is FS...?

If it were only medium fire at 7-yards, with only a single target - then 2" is very doable!!! Hence, I get very tight groups at dots #1 and #2...

Here is this afternoon (20-rounds / 1.5-inches):

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I think, correct me if I'm wrong - this drill is more mental that physical. You know you can do it, but when extended to different targets with slight difference in conditions, then it gets VERY tricky VERY FAST!




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Every manufacturer produces a bad around every now and then. From a guy that shot over 100,000 rounds of freedom reloads and has watched over 1 million freedom reloads rounds go downrange, hey seen less than a handful of squibs.

And yet everybody *****es about taking away their business when they provide a Superb product at prices just above their margin.

Freedom and Islandview are by far the best value in reload ammunition right now. Quit *****ing about one bad round
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Freedom just blew up a guys AR so I don't think you should white knight them.
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Every manufacturer produces a bad around every now and then. From a guy that shot over 100,000 rounds of freedom reloads and has watched over 1 million freedom reloads rounds go downrange, hey seen less than a handful of squibs.

And yet everybody *****es about taking away their business when they provide a Superb product at prices just above their margin.

Freedom and Islandview are by far the best value in reload ammunition right now. Quit *****ing about one bad round
They make crap ammo. Get over it. If you see value in cheap plinking ammo with near non-existent quality control thats fine but there is nothing superb about Freedom Munitions.
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They make crap ammo. Get over it. If you see value in cheap plinking ammo with near non-existent quality control thats fine but there is nothing superb about Freedom Munitions.
Anyone would want to buy Freedom Munitions ammo cheap??? (stocked up during the Thanksgiving Sale)

*sigh* Have to get over a few hundred across 9, 40 and 45... Knocking on wood that this is my last horror story!!!




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Yep. RIP Brandon Lee.
That was from a blank not a no powder load....
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Freedom just blew up a guys AR so I don't think you should white knight them.
Do you know what was outcome to that ? Did they replaced his rifle ?
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Anyone would want to buy Freedom Munitions ammo cheap??? (stocked up during the Thanksgiving Sale)

*sigh* Have to get over a few hundred across 9, 40 and 45... Knocking on wood that this is my last horror story!!!




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Naw , Dont Sell Them . Just Shoot Singles and pay attention like you been doing and you be fine . I wouldnt double tap or rapid
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I've had tons of squibs with FM 9mm ammo. By tons I mean about 10 in the last 1000 rounds I purchased. I've had had good luck with their .223 ammo though.
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Thanks! Dot torture at 7-yards??? That will be fun... BTW, what is FS...?
FS = Freestyle = both hands

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If it were only medium fire at 7-yards, with only a single target - then 2" is very doable!!!
I don't know what medium fire is.

This weekend I did manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with this 6 round group which could've been sub 3" at 25 yards, but ended up 6.5".

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It's a good practice to check your rounds before you load them no matter what, shake them, visually check them next to each other to compare the bullet seating, and check it to make sure it's not going to either fall back into the case or fall out without much effort, and finally look at primers, either pushed too far in, not far enough in, or missing. It should be flush with the rest of the back of the case.

What range are you going to that allows you to draw and fire? Looks indoors to me.
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I've had no issues with Freedom ammo however the 9mm does not cycle well in my Aero Survival rifle but the glock eats them no problem.

223/308/300blk been pretty good on my end as well.

with any reloads the word around the water cooler is... Don't by anyone else's reloads.
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If there was no powder, how did the bullet made it a short way through the barrel? If I didn't look more closely, I may have missed it...

(Pardon the question - I'm still learning)

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I doubt it was only the primer. It probably has some powder. Now you need to figure out where that extra powder went that was missing from the squib. It is probably in another cartridge.


Here is my 8" 44mag (shooting cowboy loads) with a squib. It is harder to get out the bullet in a revolver because you can only push it back towards the cylinder.








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They make crap ammo. Get over it. If you see value in cheap plinking ammo with near non-existent quality control thats fine but there is nothing superb about Freedom Munitions.
im sorry but you know very little about ammo or the QA of FM. ive shot over a thousand rounds of FM ammo every month in various calibers for over the last 4 years. i have never had a squib with FM but i have with independence. that doesnt make me think independence is crap.
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Just my experience; i went through my order history at Freedom earlier as i just ordered another 1k rnds of .45acp. Since 2013 i have put over 3k rnds of reman 9mm through my G19, also 1k rnds of reman 45acp through my 1911; never had an issue.

Posts from forums are just one users experience with a bad round; the other people having no problems usually aren't posting about it. Just keep an open mind.
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Been feeding our Sigs since 2013 mostly 9mm for my wife and .40s&w for me and some .45acp. No probelm so far.
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