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Old 12-23-2006, 3:26 PM
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Default Mosin Nagant M44 muzzle brake=bad mojo

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Yesterday I went out to a shooting range and shot my M44 with my newly attached muzzle brake. I removed the bayonet and installed the muzzle brake with two screws following directions, similar to this one http://www.gungarage.com/mosinnagant.htm

I was using some suplus polish ammo and after the first shot the brake flew forward about 3ft I was like WTF was that then I inspected my rifle saw that the brake was no longer on the rifle. After getting the brake back I noticed one screw completely broke and the other was bended.

On a happy note that polish ammo sure makes some nice fireballs

Anyone have experience with brakes on the m44/m38's?
Whats your opinions on why it flew of? I dont think I will ever put another brake on my Mosin again.

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The way muzzle brakes works is to re-direct some of the forward-escaping gas to up/down or left/right. Imagine someone hosing you w/ a single-stream water jet, your body will cause the water to break up but you'll feel the water pushing you. Either the screw is too weak to hold the brake, or is it possible the bullet is glancing off the part?
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Don't trust the fit on those muzzle brakes, they don't line up straight. I had one on my M44 and it looked like it was fitted on correctly but my first shot glanced off the side of it.
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those breaks are worthless as memos from DOJ. your story is only one of many who have put one on and had it launch off after the 1st or second round. Mosins dont need a muzzle break anyway, it would cut down on the huge fireball
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Why a muzzle brake? Is it going to make your follow-up shot faster?
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It's from the gun garage. That should be your first clue.
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Why a muzzle brake? Is it going to make your follow-up shot faster?
To help knock down on some of the kick that the Mosins have.

As I recall, there is two different muzzle brakes out there. And older style, and a newer improved one. Although I do not have experience with them as I have a 91/30.
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Those Mosin muzzle brakes SUCK. I've never seen a good one. Typically the same scenario plays itself out with the brake flying off and when retrieved, it shows evidence of being struck by the bullet.

Personally, I move down the range when someone shows up with one. They are dangerous.
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Old 12-23-2006, 9:41 PM
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I have an old M44 muzzle brake that works fairly well at reducing felt recoil. It clamps around the front sight. I have fired a few hundred rounds through it without issue. It makes the M44 even louder, if you can imagine that.
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Good to know these things are known to fly off, maybe someone should make a sticky for new owners to see.

Here is a pic of the busted brake, there appears to be some minor gracing in the inside of the the front shaft cant tell with my phone cam though cant say for sure it wasn't that way when I got it though.

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To help knock down on some of the kick that the Mosins have.
Bah, they don't kick THAT hard. Proper form, not gadgets and gizmos.
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No, they don't kick *that* hard, but after a day of firing one, you will generally end up a bit sore.
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No, they don't kick *that* hard, but after a day of firing one, you will generally end up a bit sore.
thats what recoil shields are for. Work smarter not harder
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No, they don't kick *that* hard, but after a day of firing one, you will generally end up a bit sore.
A Mosin has never left me sore, and Mosins are the only bolt-action rifles I shoot much.

Beowulf, on the other hand, you feel for a while. I like the fact I finally have a gun that CAN hurt, if fired enough.
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thats what recoil shields are for. Work smarter not harder
Rubber but pad does the trick, its a bit softer than the factory steel plate
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A Mosin has never left me sore, and Mosins are the only bolt-action rifles I shoot much.
+1. I'll put 100-150 downrange in one sitting... my shoulder gets stiff, but not actually painful.
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Sure glad I read all this first before I went out and got one of these things. I have a Beartooth Recoil Pad Kit on mine with the 1/2" pad and haven't been having any issues putting 50+ or better through on top of shooting an AK47 and KelTec as well. The 1/2" is perfect for me, and I am a first time shooter, well, been shooting a few months now, but still a newbie so to speak.
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Sims makes a Limb Saver slip on recoil pad that works great. Saves a beating on your shoulder. It improves your accuracy too if you are not flinching in anticipation of getting thumped.

Speaking of muzzle breaks, I have a Danish Madsen 30-06 with integral muzzle break and recoil pad, and even with full house 30-06 loads it is very nice to shoot. Muzzle breaks do work well if they are designed as part of the gun.
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I don't understand why you'd need a muzzle brake on a bolt gun anyway? The primary use is to keep the barrel from jumping for quicker follow-up shots. On a semi-auto, this means you can pull the trigger for the next shot sooner. On a bolt action, you've got to work the bolt - by the time you do that, any barrel jump will have settled.
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You guys actually shoot em? hmmmm. I have 4 or 5, one's a sniper (I saw Enemy at the Gates too) but don't ever get around to shooting them.
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i would REALLY like to see someone target crown, then cut and integrally flash-suppress a mosin barrel (you'd have to ream out the bore too.. which would also be like counterboring). id like to see this done to an m38 (although an m44 is probably better since they are more common).
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I don't know if you know this, but Mosin's kick, and they kick alot. The brake does tone down the kick.


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dont know about the rest of you but the kick of a mosin is something i actually look forward to when i shoot these,
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Those Mosin muzzle brakes SUCK. I've never seen a good one. Typically the same scenario plays itself out with the brake flying off and when retrieved, it shows evidence of being struck by the bullet.

Personally, I move down range when someone shows up with one. They are dangerous.
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Personally, I move down range when someone shows up with one. They are dangerous.
Yeah, you'll be a lot safer "downrange"...
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Sure glad I read all this first before I went out and got one of these things. I have a Beartooth Recoil Pad Kit on mine with the 1/2" pad and haven't been having any issues putting 50+ or better through on top of shooting an AK47 and KelTec as well. The 1/2" is perfect for me, and I am a first time shooter, well, been shooting a few months now, but still a newbie so to speak.
The Beartooth pad is good. I use one too. M38 is about the only Mosin that I'll still use a recoil pad with. The 91/30 and M39 seem to weigh enough that they don't do anything as long as I get a solid hold on them. And the 91/59 is too pretty to shoot except for the one time I took it out.
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A good brake can take ALL the recoil out of a mosin Rifle.
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I wouldn't buy a clamp on brake. It just doesn't seem like there is a way to attach the brake well. On the other hand IDK if Ajax's barrel was threaded but I believe Tho Sun had his threaded and put an ak brake on it. Now that is nice! Ajax how did you attach your brake? Same way as Tho Sun?
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I bought one a couple of years ago and put it on the m44, I did not like the way it fit. I did research on-line and saw reports like the OP and decided it was not worth the risk and took it off. I'm glad this went the way it did.
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Yeah, you'll be a lot safer "downrange"...
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A good brake can take ALL the recoil out of a mosin Rifle.
Where can I find one of those muzzle brakes because my M44 is out of control...

I replaced the stock with a composite stock from Midway. It had a rubber recoil pad on it and my Dad wanted to disown me after he shot it...

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Yeah, you'll be a lot safer "downrange"...
Bahahahaha...forgot the "the" there didn't I?
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Bahahahaha...forgot the "the" there didn't I?
$10 bucks if you can catch the muzzle break when it goes flying.
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Same think happened to me back when.
Terrible product.
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You guys actually shoot em? hmmmm. I have 4 or 5, one's a sniper (I saw Enemy at the Gates too) but don't ever get around to shooting them.
I shoot everything I own at least once in a rare while...but if I had 5 Mosins I probably would not feel compelled to shoot them all individually.
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Same think happened to me back when.
Terrible product.
Is there another option that is better than this one? I want to get something but not if it's going to be a waste of my time/money...
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We make a version of our KA-1230 for the M44 and also have installation jigs for them. Guaranteed to work, guaranteed to stay on.

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We make a version of our KA-1230 for the M44 and also have installation jigs for them. Guaranteed to work, guaranteed to stay on.

If I were to use that muzzle brake, would I have to do any cutting? I looked at the website and saw that you do work for rifles in 30-06 and I have a sporterized 1903a3 that i want to put a muzzle brake on but I don't want to do anything that would ruin it.
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I have this muzzle brake that I installed on my 91/59. Before putting it on, I measured internal diameter, and it's wider than 7.62, almost 9, actually. I took a round file and took out any rough edges on the inside before taking it out to the range. I put about 30 rounds through the rifle on Sunday, and it's still on the gun. I didn't notice any severe improvement over recoil though - feels about the same.
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We make a version of our KA-1230 for the M44 and also have installation jigs for them. Guaranteed to work, guaranteed to stay on.

That looks sweet!

When you say that you have the jigs to install it, what exactly will I need, as far as tooling goes? Will I need to thread the end of the barrel?
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