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Old 06-06-2011, 11:31 PM
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well i havent read or seen much about these lil floating wonders...whats your take on it fellow CalGunners?

any 1st hand experience...would make the perfect trunk/plinker/camping rifle

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Action Type Semi-automatic
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Capacity 8 round magazine (comes with 2)
Length 35" assembled
16.5" when stowed
Weight 3.5 lbs.
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Finish Teflon coated receiver and coated steel barrel
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the new ones seem to come with 3 mags
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its the perfect SHTF rifle for the city folk if it only had a lock on the end of the stock it would be priceless. My friend and I have been wanting to get a couple of these. The latest model is the one to get.
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^in its dis-assembled state, does it need to be locked? or just in a seperate locked area like a trunk?
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^in its dis-assembled state, does it need to be locked? or just in a seperate locked area like a trunk?
well regardless GFSZ applies. so if it had a lock no needless explanations to LEO.
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This is a post with some good info and pics:

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I considered getting one, but opted for a Marlin Papoose instead. The AR-7 is a neat idea but the buzz I heard was that it wasn't that well built. The Marlin is simply a cut-down 795, which has a good long-term reputation.
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I had an original AR-7 that was an awesome little gun, but it is a "survival gun" and I would not consider it a gun that should be shot extensively. The design and concept is great, but I'm not convinced that it would hold up well under heavy use. Seem like a number of softer castings were used...

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i bought one when it first came out

my serial was like us000122 and it jammed up on everything

i sent it back and they sent it back and all they did was file a little on the magazines which made them sharp so i was cutting my thumb when i loaded them it was jamming so bad that the breach area looked like i rubbed it on a cheese grater the barrel was polymer with a liner and the polymer was totally shredded due to the unejected casings plowing into it with each jam

i bought it at walmart and they took it back after i explained the situation they even refunded my dros no gunstore would do that i bet so i got lucky

i think they have made minor impovements since then but they lost my confidence
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I bought one last year. I too have had feed problems. I'm thinking about sending it to Henry's for repairs.
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I decided mine needed a little upgrade

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I got rid of mine ....Enough said .......
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AR-7s are so light because barrel diameter is very thin(the steel part). the entire barrel is shrouded in ABS plastic and feeding part looks quite worn after a few thousand rounds. Henry Arms advertises their model as the most improved/reliable version of the AR-7. Not sure if they improved the magazine design since 2002. My four mags have very weak springs, probably contributing to jamming issues.
The overall FTF/FTE rates are higher than my Marlin 70PSS Papoose. But the Papoose has its own weak point. Plastic trigger guard assembly will split if screw is overtightened.

The AR-7 is a unique design and will wow your friends at the range and turn heads. I no longer use mine because the novelty of assembling/disassembling the parts has worn off for me after 4-5 thousand rounds at the range.
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I have one of the current production ones and I like it just fine. If you want one get one. It is what it is. It is a trunk/plane/backpack gun. It is not a gun you take to the range to put a few hundred/thousand rounds through for fun. If you do get one, I am of the camp that recommends you should always put the barrel on the receiver before you attach the receiver to the stock.

If you search around there should be more threads about the Henry AR-7 in this section.
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mostly reviews seems to be negative

i heard henry has resolved most if not all issues but i might be wrong

are there any fixes? i really wanted this as a plinker as well as a pack gun
kinda hard to make it a survival gun if i cant even put a couple thousand rds thru it

the papoos is not self contained so its out of the question
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I think you may have misunderstood me. If you want to put a few thousand rounds through it you can and they are fun to shoot. Mine has about 1000 through it now. I take it with me to the range most of the time, but I will only run about 50 rounds through it to practice then switch to my Marlin 795 because I did not buy the Henry as my primary plinking gun.

Here are some of the problems I see with the AR-7 as a plinking gun. First, it is oddly shaped and has a long length of pull compared to other .22s. Second, you have to make sure that you fully insert the magazine or you get feeding problems. Third, there is nothing to hold onto at the front of the gun besides the barrel or front of the receiver. You have to be careful holding onto the receiver as you can move the magazine enough to cause feed problems. With the barrel you have to be careful as it heats up with continuous firing. I have found it best to hold onto the barrel nut with my thumb and index finger and then use the rest of my hand to push against the receiver to bring the gun into my shoulder. Fourth the barrel is thin and will bend easier than those of other guns and there are no sling swivels so it is best to carry it any distance packed in the stock and in a bag/pack. If you can live with the limits of the design it is a great little gun.
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^gotcha!

i wonder if the feeding issues has been solved
on the "later/newer" models? or is it mostly from the magazines?
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i have a charter arms and my ramline magazines fitted for it fit really loose in the us survival from henry it seems there magazines front to back are longer my a milimeter or so and do not fit in my charter another reason i got rid of it

why have 2 of the same gun that uses different magazines
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I have one of the current production ones and I like it just fine. If you want one get one. It is what it is. It is a trunk/plane/backpack gun. It is not a gun you take to the range to put a few hundred/thousand rounds through for fun. If you do get one, I am of the camp that recommends you should always put the barrel on the receiver before you attach the receiver to the stock.

If you search around there should be more threads about the Henry AR-7 in this section.
i have a current one too...you have stated the pluses and minuses of the henry ar7 quite succinctly; i bought mine and use it and i am VERY happy i have it as a choice...

many will buy one as a primary rifle and nearly all of them will be disappointed...to you who are considering one because it looks cool; DON'T...it's not an everyday rifle; put the same money into a 10/22 and you'll be much happier.

a satisfied ar7 owner is a multi-gun owner who knows exactly what the limitations of it are and to use it for certain situations...
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^true that, i have several 22, but if i like shooting this, ill probably shoot it often...is there a fix for the feeding issues from the barrel liner?

i guess another good option for a folding, light weight .22lr would be the KelTec SU22, but i havent heard much about them either, they dont breakdown as small as the Henry and is about 1.5lbs heavier...hmmmmmmm
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About 15 years ago Federal Ordinance (Briklee Trading Co) had some Ex Israeli Armalite AR-7's which had been converted by the Israeli's to use as pilot seat back emergency rifles. The used a FAL pistol grip which had a recess for loose.22LR ammo which was held in by a rubber cap, a K-98 front sight hood and a Uzi sling. Extra magazines were held in a spring steel device which fit in the wire sliding stock butt. It all came apart with ball detentes. Pretty neat little rifles.

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i remember those here is a scan of my manual

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is there a fix for the feeding issues from the barrel liner?
The barrel cover is steel where it attaches to the receiver. The easiest way to fix the feeding problem is to make sure you fully insert the magazine. According to the internet you can shape the the bottom of the chamber carefully to make it a smoother transition from the magazine to the chamber.
As SVT-40 if one brand of ammo does not work for you switch. Mine does not like Federal bulk packs, but Federal target loads, CCI, and Winchester work fine.
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I'd be all over those Israeli one's if they still made them! I'll bet the Israeli's also improved the reliability.
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^gotcha...thanks for the input...
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i love how it says "gun will not float"
I have the same "manual". Did you buy a rifle?
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Here is some other options

Marlin papoose



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here's how you avoid nearly all jamming on a ar7...never use bulk ammo.

cci minimags is my basic load; cci hypervelocity stingers and velocitors are sensational in an ar7, that stiff spring can handle it...

federal bulk and remington jam in mine...still doing research on cci blazer (cci's bulk bullets); it MAY work consistently for my purposes...
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For whatever reason these rifles have had feed issues from day one. I own an original AR-7 made by Armalite in Costa Mesa that once my Dad and I actually drove to the factory with the rifle and they agreed that the magazines were the issue and gave us some replacements.

It worked for awhile but after some use went back to it's old habits. It is at least an "original" so that has some collectibility value but I haven't shot it for at least 25 years.
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Here is another option. I had one of their first ones; the AT-22.

http://www.guns-rifles-firearms.com/...s/Page349.html
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^not bad, i went ahead and emailed them

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Here is another option. I had one of their first ones; the AT-22.

http://www.guns-rifles-firearms.com/...s/Page349.html
they NO LONGER sell their items in CA....so much fail...


at any rate i was gonna order the AR-7 since it is the only REAL VIABLE solution for my needs, but hey my car decided it needed to throw a Check Engine Light...and it seems major, so next gun purchase goes to the back burner til the automotive issue is resolved
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I was checking online and ran into this post.

I just took my AR-7 out yesterday after about 30 years of not firing it. It is the Charter Arms I got in the late 70s. I took my daughter with me for her first shoot and it worked fine.
We had 3 cartridges that didnít eject fully out of 200 rounds we shot. I even had a brick of cci (100 rounds) that I had stored with the AR-7 that seem to work better then the Winchester rounds we got at the range.

We shot the 50 yrd range and our shots were off to the lower right but after compensating and shooting a bit up to the left, we got more shots near center (1, 2, and 3 black circle center of standard target) even one shot dead center(X marks the spot).

I got to go some what with what DippyPower said. It pull some what more then I would think for this small weapon. The weapons I shot in the service (the m16) seem to have less pull, it was maybe more in the range of a m14 to me, but the AR-7 is way lighter.

It is a survival gun which means, used in a survival situation to hunt small game to eat when needed. You will need to take it out and learn how it shoots so you can compensate for hitting your targets. (if you canít hit anything, you wonít eat and it will be just a noise maker)

Now if itís a Zombie Apocalypse Iím not too sure this will work to well (havenít done too much testing on zombies yet). But in any case I would carry a hand gun at about the 9mm or 40 range. Anything higher might have too much kick for someone trying to survive on a run, excited or scared, (if you canít hit your target itís useless,) or it will just add more weight to your 1000 miles walk to safety. (oh and donít forget, if you encounter zombie, a 9mm in the head is better than a 44mag in the body if you know what I mean)

All in all a survival tool you can add to your bug out bag. As far as the floating think, I know its good as far as protection from getting wet but I wouldnít do a float test in the middle of the lake. In survival you also need to know it means not taking unnecessary risk.

For anyone that wants looks, this gun has many mods you can do and there are a few places that sell stuff for it. I still have a book I pick up at the time I got the AR-7 which has all kinds of mods for this baby. You can turn this .22 rifle into a fully auto hand gun with a few extras. most of the mods won't pass in Cal.
I never did any changes cause it is what it is. But if I could get the Israeli set up I would.

As far as the SU2k, I wouldnít bother with it for a .22. I will get the SU-16ca or SU-16b which shoot .223 and also fits nice in a backpack. And yes it will stop zombies.. :-)
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I got a Henry AR 7 last week from Guns Direct in Burbank, come with 2 mags and I bought 3 extra mags from thegunsource.com, haven't fire it yet though, may next weekend at ASR. I' planning it to be my truck gun maybe with a Sig Mosquito when I get one.

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I bought a new Henry AR7 two months ago and coulnt be happier with it. Mine seems to like just about any ammo , feed and accuracy wise with a few exceptions. Longer nose bullets like CCI AR Tactical will sometimes hang up loading the first round. I've been getting the best accuracy out of Fiocchi 38 grain CPHP. After that anything made by CCI shoots well in my AR7.

This is a cheap inexpensive rifle that is ALOT of fun. Enjoy it for what it is. -Tom.

Oh ya, if you find the accuracy fading or your groups drooping, reach over and check the barrel nut tightness...

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i have been looking for one of the henry's used for a while now, for a "truck gun" ... btw check this link for detailed stripping and other stuff on them http://thepackingrat.net/2007/04/06/...epeating-arms/
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I currently own 3 AR7's...

2 charter arms, and one AR7 industries...

I HAD a Henry AR7... it holds the dubious honor of being the only gun I've ever purchased that I sold at a substantial loss just to get rid of it.
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I bought a new Henry AR7 two months ago and coulnt be happier with it. Mine seems to like just about any ammo , feed and accuracy wise with a few exceptions. Longer nose bullets like CCI AR Tactical will sometimes hang up loading the first round. I've been getting the best accuracy out of Fiocchi 38 grain CPHP. After that anything made by CCI shoots well in my AR7.

This is a cheap inexpensive rifle that is ALOT of fun. Enjoy it for what it is. -Tom.

Oh ya, if you find the accuracy fading or your groups drooping, reach over and check the barrel nut tightness...
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I currently own 3 AR7's...

2 charter arms, and one AR7 industries...

I HAD a Henry AR7... it holds the dubious honor of being the only gun I've ever purchased that I sold at a substantial loss just to get rid of it.
do you have the orange case version or the old black case version?

i heard the ORANGE case has the improvements done to them
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