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A couple guys and I want to try out a few of the big name spray on finishes that require baking. A few have toasters ovens have been offered up by CG members and we might be able to source a larger unit to fit barreled receivers to make this happen.

We are going to get a selection of blacks, FDE's and other colors in Ceracoat, Gunkote, John Norrell's Moly Resin and maybe a fourth brand.

I have Parkerizing that we will do on steel before some of the paint applications, and the types of firearms will range from aluminum on AR's, to steel on pistol slides and AK flats. Media blasting is available. If other abrasive besides Alum Oxide is desired we might be able to split the cost to get it.

I'd like to open this up to a few more guys that have some experience, maybe bring some equipment they like using, and some end users that want to help defray the cost of all the paints. If you have been thinking of using any of the above products and just needed this little push I think it's here.

I have compressors and airbrushes (nothing fancy) and have done Duracoat VERY nicely on a few guns with my cheap gear. Any suggestions for sprayers will be taken into consideration. IME the expensive "hobby" Paasche type stuff hasn't been needed for a nice finish. Surface prep seems to be the biggest part that produces a great finish. But I've been wrong many times and love new tools...


If you have any suggestions or tips that are brand specific, please post them up. If you'd like to attend you can send me a PM. I'd like to get this on a Friday in the 2-3 week out range so we can get the paints and other painting supplies ordered. I might be open for other days if it suites the core team.

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Justin,

It's almost like you read my mind (or my post on Duracoating which I responded to). I have a hankering to try out a new Duracoat color--Magpul Foliage.

I'll bring my pancake compressor and airbrush stuff from Harbor Freight so we can have multiple stations running (if that's what you're envisioning).

If it's okay with you, I would like to talk to you about the details tomorrow at your place.

Thanks for another great party idea.
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I would like to attend but can only offer a small air compressor, a hose, and some $ for the coatings.
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Awesome, just what I would need for my 870... please do let us know when you have an idea of dates and costs, I would love to be a part of this but have to look into whether it's doable for me.
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aww boo, i just sent my kimber out for a refinish....darn
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I suggest, nobody puts a Tuna Melt in the oven, while baking the finish..

Ya might go down to the local gun store & see if they got any junk gun parts for cheap, you could practice on.
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Justin,

It's almost like you read my mind (or my post on Duracoating which I responded to). I have a hankering to try out a new Duracoat color--Magpul Foliage.

I'll bring my pancake compressor and airbrush stuff from Harbor Freight so we can have multiple stations running (if that's what you're envisioning).

If it's okay with you, I would like to talk to you about the details tomorrow at your place.

Thanks for another great party idea.
Thank you for stopping by. That made my day.

I'll get some of that C if you don't.

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Just let me know what color or brand your interested in. Just cost of paint is the concern if we have a couple oiless pancakes and a couple airbrushes. (I'll be buying more of these from HF soon)



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Ya might go down to the local gun store & see if they got any junk gun parts for cheap, you could practice on.
That is a great idea.

I also have a bunch of 80-finished% guys that are willing to donate their lowers for testing on.

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I'm gonna say a satin black, in a bake on if my Mini Me build will fit in the oven.
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Justin, I just placed an order for 8 oz. of Duracoat Magpul Foliage Green paint. Hope it's here in time for the paint party.

BTW, my kids really enjoyed meeting you and your animals. It was a great experience for them.

I'll see you at the PP.
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Your on the list! Any preferences?
I was thinking graphite black or matte black cerakote. Anyone know what the subtle difference is? I'm guessing graphite black is shinier?
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Fern- One oven I'm hoping will be here in time is 2'x3'x6'. The next smaller is I'm told 2'x2'x3'. I think Mini-me will fit.

Billy- Sweet... I can't wait!

Don- If we aren't sure, I think we should get both.

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I'll bring the cigars -

Anyone ever done a digital camo finish?

Looks like it's a few steps - And I found some coating/stencil kits online...
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One contributor will be doing a camo with FDE, tan, and sniper gray. If I had more time in life I'd attend the upcoming Lauer Weaponry Duracoat Certification course for fun.

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Greetings DuraCoat Customer!

Have you considered attending DuraCoat University? If you have considered offering DuraCoat finishing services or would like to learn how to apply DuraCoat like the pros, then DuraCoat University is for you. Subjects covered include preparation, application, Camo Patterns, and much more.

You will spend the day at our facility in Chippewa Falls, WI with at least two instructors learning how to apply DuraCoat, so you can make money offering DuraCoat services. You will go away with so much knowledge that you won't be able to wait to put it to use! Once you attend a one day DuraCoat University course, you will be a Certified DuraCoat Finisher. You can be listed on the Lauer Custom Weaponry/DuraCoat website and customers can be referred to you for service. You will also receive additional discounts on products and access to special products only available to Certified Finishers. This one day course only costs $420.95!

We still have seats available in the upcoming June 4th class. Class sizes are limited so if you are interested in attending, please contact us for sign up information.



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I'd be happy to attend - I've done a fair amount of bake-on finishes and am "amateur-pro" with spray cans. I'm in Upland. Hit me up via PM and I'll throw it on my schedule. Here is some of my past rattle-can work:


This one shows how closely I matched Duracoat's Magpul FDE color by using two different spray cans of Rustoleum - the CTR stock is as it was shipped by Magpul, the lower and upper were sprayed and baked by me:
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Get Acetone, not the stuff from the hardware store, get the 1 gal jugs from the automotive paint supply houses. It's called HEET, it's bone dry and leaves zero residue.
Out of what your trying I've used Gunkote, and Moly Resin. I like Moly Resin the best, it's more forgiving with curing tempature. Gunkote has more colors but both are easy to clean up and use. Just make sure you shake the hell out of the bottles. And make sure you heat the parts first.
My process, degrease, blast, degrease, heat, degrease, heat, then if there is any oil bleeding out there is a way to shoot the GK and MR and have it stick but the part must be hot and oil free the instant you spray. I'm still learning so my methods get tweeked all the time.
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I'd be happy to attend - I've done a fair amount of bake-on finishes and am "amateur-pro" with spray cans. I'm in Upland. Hit me up via PM and I'll throw it on my schedule. Here is some of my past rattle-can work:


This one shows how closely I matched Duracoat's Magpul FDE color by using two different spray cans of Rustoleum - the CTR stock is as it was shipped by Magpul, the lower and upper were sprayed and baked by me:
I'll PM you when I have a date. It's looking like 2 weeks from this Friday if all goes well.

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Get Acetone, not the stuff from the hardware store, get the 1 gal jugs from the automotive paint supply houses. It's called HEET, it's bone dry and leaves zero residue.
Out of what your trying I've used Gunkote, and Moly Resin. I like Moly Resin the best, it's more forgiving with curing tempature. Gunkote has more colors but both are easy to clean up and use. Just make sure you shake the hell out of the bottles. And make sure you heat the parts first.
My process, degrease, blast, degrease, heat, degrease, heat, then if there is any oil bleeding out there is a way to shoot the GK and MR and have it stick but the part must be hot and oil free the instant you spray. I'm still learning so my methods get tweeked all the time.
You sir, are the 90% the reason I'm choosing Moly Resin! Thank you for the tips.

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LOL, should I just keep it simple? I have a feeling matte black would be more popular in case someone else wants to try Cerakote.

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Phew, is this a gunkote/moly resin specific process or is this what would be recommended for cerakote/duracoat as well? I am wondering because I would like to disassemble the gun and do all the parts separately (lots of little pieces). Will we have enough time for this?
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Ill be bringing some Gun Kote. Im not sure what shade of black yet.

You figure out a date Roccobro?
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Justin, I might be able to attend, I think this will be an awesome party!!

Please let me know when.

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Lets make it the 24th of this month. I'll confirm with my core guys to make sure it's G2G.

Lets get a list of who is bringing what color. I'll pitch in to buy extra so we don't run out.

I plan on having Socom black Molyresin for sure.

Already have white, pink, HK black and Magpul FDE Duracoat. (no baking required)



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Phew, is this a gunkote/moly resin specific process or is this what would be recommended for cerakote/duracoat as well? I am wondering because I would like to disassemble the gun and do all the parts separately (lots of little pieces). Will we have enough time for this?
This is the minimum prep I do for everything, refinishing takes a long time. For me to prep and finish a complete AK using GK or MR is close to a 4-5 hour process. That's using the single part finishes, the Duracoat and Cerakote are 2 part finishes that have a pot life and there are more variables. Also both of those require even more meticulous surface prep. Any oil that bleeds out can ruin the finish.
Cerakote cannot be touched up after curing, you will need to blast and start all over.
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This is the minimum prep I do for everything, refinishing takes a long time. For me to prep and finish a complete AK using GK or MR is close to a 4-5 hour process. That's using the single part finishes, the Duracoat and Cerakote are 2 part finishes that have a pot life and there are more variables. Also both of those require even more meticulous surface prep. Any oil that bleeds out can ruin the finish.
Cerakote cannot be touched up after curing, you will need to blast and start all over.
Great info, thanks! Have you used cerakote before?
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Great info, thanks! Have you used cerakote before?
Nope, I don't have the equipment to do Cerakote. Everything I've read it requires a high quality air brush and everything must be clean clean clean and no oil. If I had an ultrasonic cleaner and a dedicated spray booth I would give Cerakote a shot. I still might but that will happen on my guns first before we offer it for customers. Anything that's 2 parts is too easy to mess up, touch up is a PITA if I smudge something , and that stuff is expensive.
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Buddy tried CK. Didn't have any problems with it until he put his thumb on the surface before it had hardened at all. Had to sand and respray. He loves the stuff but as SJ says, it's all in the prep work.

He had made a tent with forced filtered air which I thought was clever. It will be at the party too.

My order for MR is in (socom flat black & gloss black). CK order will be next week once I get all the colors desired rounded up.

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Hmmm, you guys are making me second guess. I might just go with Socom flat black MR as well... :-P
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pm me your location when you can . . . man, I'd like to be there and watch all the magic happen . . .

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PARTY THIS FRIDAY!!!!


OK, I have received my Molyresin and the Cerakote is getting on a plane tomorrow to make it here by Friday (fingers crossed). Nobody wanted to try Gunkote and I have a new can of Alumahyde II that can be had for cheap (no bake formula). Flat and semi-gloss black in MR, Armor & graphite blacks and OD Green in CK. Assorted colors in Duracoat as well (no bake).

I have additional new airbrushes, a manifold to have them all hooked up, and a toaster oven for the small parts. Larger oven (not whole rifle friendly) is coming Thursday.

If you were going to do a complete firearm, have it cleaned up really well. Dissasembled and ready to blast or paint if possible. I have some tools and little magnetic pans for people to use if you have to break your guns down. Try to get some brake parts cleaner (at minimum) for degreasing. I'm going to get a gallon of HEET or two if it doesn't cost an arm and a leg. A pressurized prayer for dosing it out would be nice if someone has something along that lines.

If I'm missing anything we should have, post here or shoot me a PM or text.

If your on my list of guys who expressed interest I'll be sending out my address. If I missed you and were planning on being there or donating test pieces to paint, PM me and I'll get you the info.

Camera's are requested. If we can get a few variations of "how it's made" would be great. I'm hoping to be able to show what differences show upon different processes/paints/materials.

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Can't wait!!!
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Please post pic . Iv also wanted to look into this. Some bulgy and maddi kits would look great done.
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Sorry for the late PM's guys. I'm heading back out to the barn for more setup work.

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Just completed Desert Tan refinish on all black MK22 in AlumaHyde II. Took a couple of weeks.

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I believe GunKote 2400 and Moly Resin are same-same. They are both a newer, VOC compliant, enviro-pleasing concoction. The older Gun Kote had some nasty stuff in it that made it much more user friendly and provided a tougher finish. You can still get it from KG but only in black. They call it the 2300 series.
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Party was a blast! Many guns got coated.

Favorite color was SOCOM (flat) Black Molyresin. Went through the whole bottle before we even cared to open up some CeraKote.

Just the AR lowers I did myself. I'll let the others share their good works.


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Would love to find a ready mixed Pink color spray to create some Hello Kitty AR's !!!
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Awesome! Wished I could have made it.
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If your close we can split the cost of paint. Cerkote has two shades of Pink and Molyresin pink can be made by mixing colors. Need a Purple too?

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