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Old 05-31-2011, 6:18 PM
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Default Anyone else have to do an interview for C&R license?

I submitted the application in February, and was called last week to schedule an interview at my home (address in application). I don't have any convictions or arrests or anything. This seems quite unusual, anyone else have to do this?
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Nope, received mine through the mail about six weeks after submitting. No phone call, no interview, nothing.

Did they specify any reason?
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No, no reason given. When they called I thought I may have missed the part about an interview, so I didn't ask. But since then, going back to the applications and googling, it seems to be non-standard.
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You might call them back and confirm that they are processing an 03FFL and not another kind.

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Just over six weeks for me, no interview, no hitches at all. A shot in the dark, but possibly there was something from your Chief of Police or Sheriff that was submitted to ATF....only thing I can think of.
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you just got "lucky". pre-inspections for an 03FFL are rare, but they do happen.
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this is the first i hear of a 03FFL pre-inspection, let us know how it goes?
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I had my 03FFL in hand 12 days after putting my application in the mail.




Sorry had to do it, I still can't believe it.

Maybe the OP shares a common name with one or more felons or other "interesting" folks
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I had to do one for my second licence in NV but that was because I live in CA and wanted one in NV.

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I forgot to mention that I only had a telephone interview.
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No interview, and over a year now, no audits.

Also, they can conduct the interview at their field office. Do not allow them to enter your home without a warrant.
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i have been waiting for my o3ffl sence they cashed my check on march 25.this sucks
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That was my first hunch when he called, and I even confirmed on the call. He asked something like, "Is this the address you'll be dealing from...", so I said "Well, it's just a curios and relics license, right?" and he said "That's right, it says collector here." So...I don't know. I guess I'll see soon enough.

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That was my first hunch when he called, and I even confirmed on the call. He asked something like, "Is this the address you'll be dealing from...", so I said "Well, it's just a curios and relics license, right?" and he said "That's right, it says collector here." So...I don't know. I guess I'll see soon enough.

And thanks, I'm already impressed by how active it is here.
Yup.

He was confused.

This is not uncommon for some of the local field offices. They'll pull a "knock on the door" audit, thinking that the collector is an 01.

You are not a dealer and you need to make that VERY clear.


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I had my 03FFL in hand 12 days after putting my application in the mail.




Sorry had to do it, I still can't believe it.

Maybe the OP shares a common name with one or more felons or other "interesting" folks
12 days!? They cashed my check in 12 days.

You could be right about the name, it's not an uncommon name, but I'd think having my SSN, birthdate, addresses for 5 years etc. might help them distinguish me from someone else.
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Yup.

He was confused.

This is not uncommon for some of the local field offices. They'll pull a "knock on the door" audit, thinking that the collector is an 01.

You are not a dealer and you need to make that VERY clear.


Do not allow them into your home without a warrant.
Yeah, it sounds like I should give them a call them tomorrow morning.
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Yeah, it sounds like I should give them a call them tomorrow morning.

Sounds like a very good idea. Guy definitely sounds confused. If the ask for an interview, tell them you will be happy to come down to their office.

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Perhaps it may have been a "Checking to see if you know or not that you're NOT to "deal" in firearms with an 03 by asking you. Let us know what they say.

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Yeah, it sounds like I should give them a call them tomorrow morning.
Any update on this? I'm intersted to hear if they really want to visit the home of an 03 FFL applicant.

Sounds odd.
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Ok, the exciting conclusion:
I called first thing this morning and ended up talking with the person who called before and was going to do the interview. I asked to confirm that this was a pre-interview (before getting license) for an 03, curios and relics, and not 01. He said yes. I asked if that was usual, and he said yes, they're trying to do a face-to-face with all FFL applicants. He said I could cancel the interview and he could write that in the record, and I said no, that's ok, I'll see him later. BTW, as far as going there to face-to-face, that probably would have worked, but the local office is an hour and half away and I didn't feel it was worth it.

The gist of the interview was they needed to verify I was prepared to do anything that the license allowed. We kind of kept going in circles where I would say I'm not planning on doing any business from my home, so it doesn't matter if I can legally do that here, and he was saying they have to make sure anything I can legally do with an FFL03 is ok with local, state, and federal laws. E.g. he said, if this were a house (I'm in an apt.) then he happens to know it's ok in the city I live in to receive and sell guns, but maybe not in an apt. So I said, but I'm not selling guns here, my landlord wouldn't be too pleased to start with. And he asked if I had checked with local zoning if it's ok to receive guns here. So, no, I didn't specifically check with local zoning if it's ok to receive a gun in the mail, but I'm quite sure I can bring a gun into my home....whats the difference. Then we start getting into: well you initialed here on a federal form that you verified with local and state laws, etc. In the end I said that all I really wanted to do was save a few bucks and 2 trips to a dealer to get a mosin, and I was under the impression this was a much more straightforward process, so I withdrew my application.

Other things: I mentioned that no one else I'd checked with had a face-to-face interview, and asked if there was anything special about me, and he said no, they're trying to do face-to-face with all FFLs, especially lately....perhaps the other people were years ago, and I said, no, some quite recently. He did say when the main office sends it down to them, then they're required to do a face-to-face. When I called the main office earlier, it sounded more like it was the local office's initiative. Maybe my not-so-crazy-about-the-whole-idea wife gave them a call suggesting further inquiry

The interviewer himself was generally professional and courteous (though a half hour late). The whole interview was about 20-30 mins. We mostly had two different views of what an FFL03 entitles me to do. To him its darn near an FFL01, but for old firearms, for me its just a sensible way to collect old firearms.

If I were more serious about getting an C&R license, then I would have gone through with it. It sounded like there really wouldn't be any problems, and I think just a bit more homework would have covered it. In fact I probably will apply again sometime in the future. But for me it was basically on a whim ("I just send in a couple forms and $30, wait few weeks, and can order guns off the internet? Cool!") and became more trouble than it was worth.

They're going to refund the $30 and I can apply again later with no blemish.

Well I guess that more than covers it, hope this helps!
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Where was this? Still seems like major confusion.
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Sounds like a VERY NEW AGENT who is confused. I would've been on the phone asking to speak to his supervisor. Explaining that this agent doesn't seem to know the difference between an 01 and 03 FFLs and operating far outside the lines of "normal."

The first time thru it, it's hard to know what "normal" is, so I understand your confusion and reluctance to proceed.

Raise a little hell about your experience thru a polite/professional letter to his boss asking to speak to him on the phone at his convenience to discuss the situation further and that you would like to reapply, but as an 03, not 01.

Only by leaving feedback will the agent get his head screwed on straight.
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I also wish to know were are you located as I am just about to mail my papers and the only reason im doing it is for the convenience. I hope i don't get hassled like that.
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Thanks for the update - Am sorry you didn't end up getting the 03 though - Perhaps try again in the near future -
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Damn but how cool would that have been if he got an 01 FFL out of the deal???

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What would zoning have to do with you receiving C&R's? Him bringing up the "initialing a federal form stating you checked local/state laws" like that was sorta ****ed up.
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The purpose of a 03FFL as i reading it on the instruction sheet "... It must be emphasized that the collectors license being applied for pertains exclusively to firearms classified as curios and relics, and its purpose is to facilitate a personal collection. You may NOT engage in the business of buying and selling curios and relics under this license." I don't see why you cant have a mosin delivers to appt as its not business but to facilitate personal collection o.O
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I looked into this as well- got some mixed/questionable feedback. I was told by more than one person that a C&R license would give the powers that be the ability to access your safe without a warrant. Right/wrong shades of grey- better to be safe than misknowingly give up any liberties.

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I looked into this as well- got some mixed/questionable feedback. I was told by more than one person that a C&R license would give the powers that be the ability to access your safe without a warrant. Right/wrong shades of grey- better to be safe than misknowingly give up any liberties.

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assuming that's true, its a great reason to have at least 2 safes
you need 'em anyway, once you get the C&R.
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Have a safe, so this is more curiosity than anything else...

...is having a safe in the home a legal requirement in CA?
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A guy on the FFL Forum bill k lopez has a very new post today and is describing a very similar hastle with a phone call requesting an in-home inspection/interview for "zoning" reasons among others, over an 03FFL app. I hope this isn't an Obama move to squash private gun ownership from the ground up. They recieved my app. 19 ago, hope I get it without going through a bunch of crap-ola. I will do my "zoning" homework for my city ahead of time just in case.
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I've got an 03. It took forever cause they misfiled the application then assigned it to an agent who had just retired.

I got a FTF in my home interview. She was super cool. She had just gotten done with an audit of one of the movie prop houses and it was amazing. It seemed like a great job if you were an accountant and into firearms.

I was under the impression that the interview was a common occurrance.
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I submitted the application in February, and was called last week to schedule an interview at my home (address in application). I don't have any convictions or arrests or anything. This seems quite unusual, anyone else have to do this?
I was contacted by phone. After an introduction the question was " Do you want to sell guns out of your home?" No I answered and then explained the general rules of a CC&R. The follow up questions led me to believe it was a carefully crafted set of questions to make sure I knew what the general rules and regs were for a CC&R. Try not to stress over it. My bet is it'll be along these same lines.

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I looked into this as well- got some mixed/questionable feedback. I was told by more than one person that a C&R license would give the powers that be the ability to access your safe without a warrant. Right/wrong shades of grey- better to be safe than misknowingly give up any liberties.
No, though they can schedule an inspection, the inspection does not have to be at your house.

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Have a safe, so this is more curiosity than anything else...

...is having a safe in the home a legal requirement in CA?
No, but having a gun safe is a good idea anyway.
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