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Old 05-26-2011, 2:26 PM
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Purchased a GP WASR 10/63. I know calguns frowns on these weapons, but I just wanted a cheap toy.

Tested the firearm and it will not go into battery. Should I send it back to Century Arms for repair/replacement or is there a better solution?

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It is clearly getting caught up on something and there is not that much there in an AK to get caught on.

When you bought it did it go into battery?

Disassemble the rifle and make sure there is nothing out of place, that the bolt carrier is riding on the rails correctly, that the gas rod did not some how snap or the trigger group is not binding on the bottom of the bolt carrier.

AK's are caveman simple. If there is a major problem that you can not fix send it back.
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Did you order this or did you buy this at a store? If you bought in a store, you never racked it? It's stuff like this that gives this rifle a bad name really. Because if you bought this at the store and did not check everything then that is on you.

Take it apart (not trigger group) and check for any obstructions in the gas tube, bent internal rails, bolt, bolt carrier etc. Unless one can see the rails inside or the rifle, this makes it hard to diagnose. Do you have it assembled properly? Any friends with AK pattern experience? Heck you are in LA there are tons of members there. If you were in Irvine I would help you.
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It is clearly getting caught up on something and there is not that much there in an AK to get caught on.

...make sure there is nothing out of place, that the bolt carrier is riding on the rails correctly.
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First, check to see if there are burrs on the bolt carrier rails, maybe it's hanging up on that. Either way, it might need a light sanding and lube.

Second, field strip that mo-fo and check the gas tube, maybe there's a glow-in-the-dark condom sitting in there from the last party at the Century shop, or rather, look for carbon build up.

Or the gas tube is too tight or wrong size piston. Pull the bolt carrier/piston out and line it up alongside the firearm, placing the bolt carrier/piston where it should be seated correctly and see if it's too long or extends beyond the gas tube.

Century has been known to use whatever is laying around the shop.... so.

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EDIT: Additionally, with the firearm assembled, simply pull the bolt carrier all the way back and release it, allowing it to slam up into battery. The AK is a rough and crude firearm, it doesn't need to
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Does it stop abruptly like something is hitting, or does it bind gradually?

In your picture the latch on the rear sight block is open. Did you remove it? Is the gas tube seated all the way in? Make sure it's not sitting up, and binding on the carrier.

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Did you order this or did you buy this at a store? If you bought in a store, you never racked it? It's stuff like this that gives this rifle a bad name really. Because if you bought this at the store and did not check everything then that is on you.

I was at Turners the other day and they were trying to sell a young Marine an IO AK. I stepped in and told the guy not to pick it up, it was a piece of ****. They looked at me like I was mad and I was, I was mad that they would sell a pile of **** to this young dude who serves our country & was totally new to the platform. I field stripped it right then & there, all sorts of crap was falling out of the receiver, out of the bolt carrier when I removed the recoil spring; sawdust, dirt and chunks of cosmoline. The thing should not have been out on the floor. I just put it back together, handed it back to them and didn't say anything else. It was plainly obvious it was a POS. They're a big chain and they can return crap or at least select decent firearms to sell to their customers.

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Is it grinding to a stop? Can you force it forward? I'm guessing it's probably a rail issue.
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I hastily put this thread together, let me put out some more info.

The rifle cycles properly, as in the the bolt will compress back and slide forward without hesitation. The issue arises when a round is introduced into the chamber (with or without magazine), it's as if it doesn't want go in the last inch.

I disassembled and reassembled the weapon several times. I have lubed all the proper metal contact points and made sure nothing was getting hung up. I examined the piston/gas port to make sure there was clearance. All checked out.

The funny thing is if I give it a little elbow grease (knocking it with a hammer), it'll reluctantly move forward. But I shouldn't have to put this much effort to get it into battery.

As far as the bolt carrier on the rails are concerned, the rails are very crudely machined but does allow movement.

Some time on google tells me these things aren't that uncommon with GP WASR's.

I'm going to the range tomorrow. Hopefully it just needs a little break in.
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Does it stop abruptly like something is hitting, or does it bind gradually?
Abrupt stop. I'll stick a round into the bolt and release charging handle and it gets stuck. Oddly enough after going caveman on this thing for about 10 mins it did manage to go into battery properly but still got caught up every other round.

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Are you sure its a wasr 10? There are wasr 2 and 3s which are 5.45 and 5.56. Or its the wrong barrel?
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Are you sure its a wasr 10? There are wasr 2 and 3s which are 5.45 and 5.56. Or its the wrong barrel?
Not sure if serious.
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Turn the receiver on the other side. Does it say 7.62x39, 5.45x39 or 5.56x45.
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Sounds more like an IO than a WASR.
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can you put a round in to the chamber with the bolt out?
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Turn the receiver on the other side. Does it say 7.62x39, 5.45x39 or 5.56x45.
It say's 7.62x51 NATO.
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??? And what cartridge were you using
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It say's 7.62x51 NATO.
umm WUT.

never knew they made a 762nato. take it appart and see if you can drop a round into the tube, then check for the presence of a bullet guide
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It say's 7.62x51 NATO.
...really? I guess the next step is to see if that is indeed correct, try a snap cap/dummy round in .308
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headspace problems maby? looks like all mine do with a no go gauge in.
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wait, by the looks of it....it seems you are trying to put a 762nato into the chamber of a 762x39....
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take a picture of the cartridge itself
take a picture of the cartridge in the magazine
take a picture of the receiver side of the rifle with the 7.62x51 marking on it.

you maybe trying to put a 762.39 cartridge in a 762.51 rifle

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take a picture of the cartridge itself
take a picture of the cartridge in the magazine
take a picture of the receiver side of the rifle with the 7.62x51 marking on it.

you maybe trying to put a 762.39 cartridge in a 762.51 rifle
taking a better look at his picture posted I'm willing to bet it's the other way around. Doesn't have all the familar features a x51/x54r receiver has. Notice the elarged front trunion block on this .308 saiga and FPK/PSL, also the length between the handguard and mag catch.



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wait, by the looks of it....it seems you are trying to put a 762nato into the chamber of a 762x39....
how would you even get 762 nato to fit in a 762x39 mag though?


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Im about 100% sure the pic OP posted is of a WASR 10/63
notice the lack of a dimple on the receiver?
In which case, yeah def not 7.62nato, but 7.62x39
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10/63's are 7.62x39. No wonder the round wont go in. Do not shoot that thing unless you feel like losing an eye or maybe more!
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Who sold you this firearm?
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GUYS I WAS KIDDING. I am using Yugo 7.62x39 M67. I don't even think a .308 would clear the magwell.
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Don't get your panties in a notch. Refer to post #16 and you should have figured it out for yourselves.

Back on topic. I took some green scouring pads (kitchen type) and worked on polishing the internals (emphasis on rail guides) for a good 30 minutes. I polished up the bolt as much as I could and it did alleviate it a bit.
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Good one. Well did you solve your problem?
Oddly enough after polishing the rail guides for a good 10 minutes, the weapon will go into battery. It only goes into battery if I manually load a round into the bolt face and drop it down into the chamber

When fed through a magazine it still gets hung up. Before I polished it it would not go into battery when manually feeding a round.

Solved one problem.
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I doubt that the rails are the issue. If something in the gas system isn't binding, then I'd start looking at headspace or possibly a burr in the chamber.

*edit* hmm...maybe an extractor issue. Might be as simple as pulling it apart cleaning and putting it back together.
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